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  1. fdsfgs, A couple of things. First of all, the story does "stall" somewhat after book 7. However this will be less noticeable to you since the series is complete. In my mind, the problem was, we would wait two years for a new book to be released, and then read it in three days and be disappointed by the fact that the almost all the plot elements still remain open and unresolved. But now that the series is complete, you can just keep reading! That won't completely smooth over the slowness of the plot, but it will be a lot better than what some of us had to endure back in ye olde days of 1999-2007. Or at least that is my opinion. Second, the answer to your question is yes, of course the main storyline could have been crammed into six books. But this is a trivial fact. I mean, this very website contains summaries of all the books. But of course the summaries cannot be enjoyed in the same way that the books themselves can be enjoyed. Well, cramming the main storyline into six books would still have made for a good series, but it definitely wouldn't compare to what we have now. On the other hand, there are some portions whose removal might have improved the series. For example, there are some flashback sequences which IMO really detracted from the flow. Take Moiraine's storytelling in Emond's Field, for instance (in tEotW). And while it is nice to have those flashbacks in my background knowledge, I'm not sure it was worth the distraction of reading them. And also---I don't want to give any spoilers, so I'll be vague---there is a story arc later in the series involving Perrin and his girl which was just really, REALLY boring. That could have been truncated quite a bit. Of course, a lot of that is personal taste. Removing those portions might have improved the series for me personally, but I'm not sure everyone would agree. So too with you, I'm sure you will read parts you could have done without. But for the most part, I think you will find that the series is much better with all its richness and depth intact.
  2. To echo previous commenters, this is a matter of opinion and of taste. And it is true that M&K don't always use consistent or correct pronunciation. Nevertheless, I thoroughly enjoyed the audiobooks. In fact I liked them so much that I never actually "read" the last two books, because I prefered to hear M&K. Like the previous commenter, I highly recommend them.
  3. Hey guys. Just a quick question: approximately how long is river of souls? And in case the answer is available in the "mostly" spoiler-free review, well, I hope y'all understand why I'd rather just ask here. In any case, I'm looking forward to getting it! But I'd like to wait and see if they make an audiobook of it. I really enjoyed the audiobooks of the main WoT books. Thanks!
  4. If he were still alive then I would probably agree with you. I think the man himself deserves our respect and gratitude for producing this wonderful series of books! Sadly though, the man himself is no longer with us. All we can do now is pay respect to his memory. And while that's a nice thought, I don't think it weighs very far against the desires of all the fans who are still here, and who would be overjoyed to have the series continue. As for the quality of a continuation, I see no reason to think it would suffer. And even if it did, well, I think many fans (including myself) would still enjoy it immensely. We don't need everything to be perfect. WOT is a consumable intended to entertain, not a holy book to be venerated. Nevertheless, I sympathize with your point of view here. We do naturally want to respect even just the memory of Jordan, and I can certainly understand the hesitation of handing off the series to yet another author. But ultimately I think it would be better for almost everyone if the series were continued. So if Harriet, against all odds, changes her mind and allows that to happen, then I will be very happy indeed. And so, I think, will thousands of other fans, perhaps including yourself!
  5. Very unlikely there will be any more books as RJ was and Harriet is massively against it. Maybe so. But stranger things have happened. For my own part, I will always have hope.
  6. Errmm no she didn't. She saved his life multiple times over and had his back harder than almost anyone in the series. She also was responsible for his VoG moment even if it took a lucky break at the end. Well let me clarify. I'm not saying Cadsuane didn't do any good. I mean, obviously she did save his life, and then later on her actions somehow (???) led him to be healed from the madness. And I'm sure she did other good things too. But that doesn't change the fact that she was a big jerk about it. That's what I mean when I say she failed. As someone else put it, she insisted on doing everything on her own terms. It seemed like all her interactions with other people were aimed at manipulating them instead of caring for them. Perhaps you could argue that she manipulated them because she cared for them. And perhaps that is true, but that just seems way too charitable to me. All we really know is that she was interested in manipulating people. And sure enough, that's what she did. All the time.
  7. Rand - I really like Rand's character. Pre-Callandor, he was just a cool guy who had some amazing adventures. Then once he took the Stone of Tear he became a truly noble ruler, founding schools and championing human rights, but never sacrificing strength. Then the madness began to overwhelm him, and he turned into a badass with zero patience. After he was cured somehow (???) it was neat to see his kindness come back. Mat - Without doubt, Mat is my favorite character in the series. Really, what needs to be said about him? He was so awesome in every way---devious but noble, funny but smart, easy-going, etc. What's not to like? Perrin - At first I liked Perrin, but in the middle of the series I spent some time disliking him. He just seemed way too mopey and negative, and I didn't like his relationship with Faile (nor Faile herself). But then I was really impressed when he finally admitted to himself that he was a complicated person whose problems don't all come from the wolves. At the end I really liked him more than ever, and his battle with Isam was classic! Egwene - She was an interesting character whose POV was always welcome when it came along. But she made some choices that really bothered me, and kept me from relating to her very much. For instance I strongly disapproved of her lying to the Wise Ones. And even though I thought she was right to oppose Elaida, she was still wrong to go about it the way she did (as were the other rebels). And there were other things she did that bothered me, too. But I never disliked her, exactly. She just was a bit distant, and unrelatable. Nynaeve - Nynaeve is my second-favorite character in the series. And again, not much needs to be said here. She is obviously an awesome person in every way! Moiraine - I always felt like Moiraine's personality was hidden from me, behind an Aes Sedai mask. But that seems appropriate. Moiraine was a legend while she was alive, a legend while she was presumed dead, and then still a legend when she finally returned. And legends need a bit of mystique. Lan - Here is another really cool guy. I loved him from start to finish, and he always made great choices. Elayne - At times I liked her but other times she just made me cringe with her childishness. Min - She was cool, and I always enjoyed her POV. Aviendha - With the exception of Rand and Gaul, I was never a big fan of any of the Aiel, including Aviendha. She just seemed too caught up in her own strange customs, and I could never relate to her very well. Siuan - She was a stern but likable character, from start to finish. It saddened me to see her die. Verin - What an awesome gal! Tomas too. Those two made the perfect darkfriends fighting for the Light. Cadsuane - I was wary of this one at first, and then later I saw her for the manipulative jerk she was. But I still liked her somewhat, since she tried to do good. She just failed miserably, as Rand put it. Loial - I always loved Loial, and felt awful when Rand yelled at him early in the series. It was great to get to see him fight Trollocs too. Faile - As mentioned above, I really disliked Faile at first. Oddly, I think my opinion may have been influenced by her physical description, which was always given in a negative light. Towards the end I stopped disliking her, but I still never really liked her. Instead I just sort of accepted her for what she is. Thom - Who doesn't love this guy? When I was a teenager some buddies of mine joked around about giving goofy names to their manhood. So I went along, paying homage to good ol' Thom Merrilin. My wife doesn't quite know what to make of that. Tuon - At first I disliked Tuon, but after a while I came to appreciate her, during her captivity. She was never one of my favorites though. Elyas - He was cool, but kept himself too aloof for me to really like as a person. Galad - At first he was distant, but as I saw him more I grew to love him. He was awesome as a whitecloak! Gawyn - Someone else mentioned that Gawyn was too self-involved, and that is probably true. But I only very slightly disliked him. Noam - Jain Farstrider as an old man is still Jain Farstrider. This guy rocked! Talmanes - I wish I could have gotten to know him better. He seemed like he would have been such a cool guy, but I couldn't see very far past his Cairhienen facade. Androl and Pevara - These two were perfect together. I loved getting to see their psychic connection. I had better stop there. I could keep going for lots longer.
  8. Good! I wish I had been left feeling that way. Instead I'm nonstop sad sad sad.
  9. Hmm. I guess I never really saw Egwene as a "loyal, Two Rivers woman to her core." From the very beginning it seemed like she wanted to leave Emond's Field. (Remember her chat with Rand about wanting to be a Wisdom somewhere else?) But then when she found out that Moiraine was Aes Sedai, she became intent on leaving the Two Rivers entirely and seeing the world. And then when she found out that she herself could channel, she immediately decided to become Aes Sedai, perhaps never to return. I'm not saying she didn't appreciate the Two Rivers. I'm sure she had fond memories of the place, and for instance she sent letters back to her family of a fairly regular basis, at least for a while. But it seemed to me that after becoming Aes Sedai, she viewed the White Tower as her home, not the Two Rivers. Her loyalty was to the Tower, and her values, while certainly shaped by the Two Rivers, seemed to be influenced more by the Tower. Or so it seemed to me.
  10. Okay, I just finished a few minutes ago, and am still reeling. Holy freakin' wow! This book was almost non-stop action, which I really didn't expect. Only in the epilogue did things settle down. I guess I wish it had been a little more like the other books in terms of its action-to-drama ratio. I could have used some more of the latter. But then considering what had to happen, perhaps there wasn't much of a way around that. Lots and lots of action was necessary in order for the story to finish. But I don't mean to be so negative here. For some reason my first reaction to the book is to criticize it, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it immensely. It's just the way people are, I guess. At least, it's the way I am. I feel compelled to jabber on about its minor flaws even when I appreciate the book overall. In the first of the Sanderson books, he wrote something like, (paraphrased) "nobody can finish this series as well as Robert Jordan could have, but I will do my best." Perhaps that was true. Perhaps Jordan could have done a better job. But I doubt the difference would have been very great. Jordan had fantastic narrative skill, sure, but his true genius was expressed through creating the world in which the narrative took place. Maybe it's naive of me to think this, but it seems like that would have been the hardest part---and Jordan already did it before Sanderson came along. This is not to say that narrative skill is not required. Both Sanderson and Jordan are clearly master craftsmen when it comes to storytelling, and most authors could not have stepped up to the task that Sanderson did. The bottom line is that although both Sanderson and Jordan made some choices I didn't like, nevertheless they both delivered solidly when it came to finishing this series. The whole thing is an absolute masterpiece! So the following complaints should be understood in that light. But yes, I do have some more complaints. Chief among them: I really REALLY wanted to see more of what happened after the last battle. I still do. If Sanderson wants to focus on his own worlds---which is totally understandable, by the way---then Mrs. McDougal can choose a third author to carry the series forward. The only problem is that with the bore sealed, it doesn't really make sense to have the Shadow active as a villian. And while there are other potential villians, none of them except perhaps Fain/Mordeth/Mashadar are as cool and awesome to see fought as was the Shadow. So having a sequel where, say, the Seanchan are the villians, wouldn't work at all IMHO. So I see just three ways a good continuation of the series can happen. First, it could be that the Shadow somehow remains active. But I can't really see how that would work, and it would require some serious ingenuity on the part of whichever author Mrs. McDougal chooses for the task. Second, there may arise another source of evil, perhaps connected with the Shadow in some way, but not precisely the Shadow. For instance, Mashadar or Machin Shin might come back to wreak havoc on the world. But this too would be difficult for an author to invent, and they would have an enormously difficult task in it. The third option looks to me like the easiest: Write a prequel, but use the future as a framing device. That way we would still get to see the Light fight against the Shadow before the bore was sealed, but we would also get to see what happens afterwards to all our beloved characters from the main series. But forgive my Ogier tendencies, as I digress. Um, um, yes, I should speak of AMOL. It seemed like far too many good characters died in this book, and not because of Egwene. Actually, I'm fine with Egwene dying, and Gawyn too. He was never a particularly endearing character for me. Egwene was likable in the first few books but had grown increasingly self-righteous as the series progressed. It made a kind of sense that she would die in battle. But having Siuan and Brynn die really left me in the lurch. I wanted to see those two have a future together. And for some reason it really bothered me when Hurin died. That seemed totally unnecessary. Also, I was really upset when Hopper was killed, which is odd since I wasn't a huge fan of the wolfbrother story arc. At least my most favorite characters all made it through alive though. My very favorite characters are probably Nynaeve and Mat, and they're both still kickin'. Lan and Moiraine too. Rand and Perrin still live, as do Min and Elyas. And thank goodness Androl and Pevara made it through alive! Their story arc was by far my favorite of the characters developed in the final books, and I thought the psychic connection thing they had going was extremely cool! I was very pleased to see their story given such attention. Now as I said, by biggest beef with this book is that we didn't get to see enough of what happened to the main characters after the last battle; and then my second-biggest beef is that there was too much action and not enough drama. But my third-biggest beef with this book is that there just weren't any "special" moments, except the one at the very end when the wind whips around Rand as he rides off to live his new life. In fact, that goes for TOM as well. Maybe that's just me getting older though. I'm in my mid-30s now, but I started reading this series when I was 15. At the time, LOC had been released, and so I read six books in a row right from the start, with only a short wait for ACOS. But as I got older, the second half of the series seemed to become less exciting as it wore on. Don't get me wrong---I still experienced those special moments with great excitement! But they became fewer and further between, and less and less exciting when they happened. I think before the epilogue of AMOL, the last really "special" moment for me in the series was when Perrin visits So Habor in COT. That was really, really cool, and brought back some of the mystery I originally felt during EOTW. I guess I should be thankful that this book contained a special moment at all, since the previous three didn't. Again, though, I want to stress that I still enjoyed the last half of the series. It just wasn't as freaky-amazing as the first half. And that may be due to my getting older, which for all their other talents, Jordan and Sanderson are powerless to stop. Finally, I think it's really cool that there are online communities like this where I can turn immediately after reading the series. That wasn't the case back in the 1990s, but now I have you fellow WOT fans out there to help me cope with the end of an era---the end of the last book of the Wheel of Time. Thank you all.
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