[i realize now, after listening to Brandon’s answer that I was making an assumption about the One Power too, that it is separate from the Creator because of what we have been given in the books and the BWB, but I should have asked [b]if instead the One Power is the essence of the Creator[/b]…]

 

Matt: Ok. So, obviously a channeler uses the True Power. We’ve discussed this before they weave the True Power just as they weave the One Power...

 

Brandon: ...they do and you don’t have to learn, and so that should tell you that the weaves are similar if not identical to the One Power. There are certain things the True Power can do that are different and it goes about things in different ways, but you don’t have to relearn everything.

(my emphasis)

 

We've seen many times in the text, and from several different PoV's, that the male and female ways of creating any weave with the OP are quite different.  Dealing with fire, and traveling are just two examples.  Those differences are attributable to the differences between males and females of course. 

 

But in the quote, Brandon seems to be saying that functionally the OP and the TP are close enough that the user does not need to relearn how to create a certain weave when switching from OP to TP. 

 

So whether or not the OP is the essence of the Creator (if that had been asked im sure it would have been RAFO'd anyway) this connection between OP and TP has some disturbing implications for the nature of the OP.  Anyone have any insights into this?

 

 

 

This has bothered me for some time.  Every post I read about how men and women are different when channeling refers to the way men and women travel as being different.  I believe, and think am strongly supported by the books, that this is false.  When Egwene goes to Rand and asks him how he Travels, he tells her he connects two points and then burrows through them.  Egwene is scared by this and thinks it's dangerous.  She then creates a replica of her tent using spirt to enter the Dream World and travel to Salidar.  She meets Moghedien and tells her how Rand told her how to Travel, Moghedien says that's how men Travel and then discribes what Egwene did to enter the Dream World as how a women Travels.  Egwene creates a Gateway to the Waste and then tells Moghedien to never think that she might not already know how to do something and that she will punish her severly if she ever catches her lying to her again.  This implies that a women Travels the same way as a man, anyway that the concept is the same.  That may not mean that the weave is exactly the same, and we have learned that the weave for something may differ from women to women.  For instance we know that Aviendha created a Gateway when fleeing from Rand, but cannot remember how she did it.  She has difficulty creating one with the weave shown to her by Egwene.  If you think about it the principles for doing something with the power would be the same, but the way you put it together may differ.  To create a flame you would use fire whether man or women.

First, we've seen both Rand and Egwene make gateways, and the descriptions are different. Second, I think you are misinterpreting what Egwene meant. She says, "Never be too sure I don't already know the answer...Remember. Lie to me once." (LoC Ch. 37) She was not saying that what Moghedien told her was wrong. She was instead threatening Moghedien by saying, oh look, I already knew how to do that, I was just testing you, and warning her for the future in order to establish her authority over Moghedien and to frighten the woman into always telling her the truth. She did this just to get Moghedien to be easier to handle in the future, not because Moghedien actually told her something incorrect.

 

Show me where it is described differently.

Egwene describes making two places similar (LoC Ch. 34) "She had just created a place where the interior of her tent was so similar to its reflection in Tel'aran'rhiod that there was no difference at all right there".

Rand's conversation with Egwene about what he does(LoC Ch. 27):

First Egwene suggests making two places similar, which she ends up trying later in chapter 34. Rand's response: "That sounds like changing the weave of the Pattern. I think it would tear me apart if I so much as tried. I bore a hole."

 

The differences in the two methods make sense with the differences in the way saidar and saidin work - saidar must be gently guided, you have to surrender to it and just let it happen (therefore making a similarity), whereas saidin has to be seized and forced rather violently in a constant struggle (boring a hole).

Going to the Dream World and Traveling are 2 different things, they are not the same.  Two different weaves.

[i realize now, after listening to Brandon’s answer that I was making an assumption about the One Power too, that it is separate from the Creator because of what we have been given in the books and the BWB, but I should have asked [b]if instead the One Power is the essence of the Creator[/b]…]

 

Matt: Ok. So, obviously a channeler uses the True Power. We’ve discussed this before they weave the True Power just as they weave the One Power...

 

Brandon: ...they do and you don’t have to learn, and so that should tell you that the weaves are similar if not identical to the One Power. There are certain things the True Power can do that are different and it goes about things in different ways, but you don’t have to relearn everything.

(my emphasis)

 

We've seen many times in the text, and from several different PoV's, that the male and female ways of creating any weave with the OP are quite different.  Dealing with fire, and traveling are just two examples.  Those differences are attributable to the differences between males and females of course. 

 

But in the quote, Brandon seems to be saying that functionally the OP and the TP are close enough that the user does not need to relearn how to create a certain weave when switching from OP to TP. 

 

So whether or not the OP is the essence of the Creator (if that had been asked im sure it would have been RAFO'd anyway) this connection between OP and TP has some disturbing implications for the nature of the OP.  Anyone have any insights into this?

 

 

 

This has bothered me for some time.  Every post I read about how men and women are different when channeling refers to the way men and women travel as being different.  I believe, and think am strongly supported by the books, that this is false.  When Egwene goes to Rand and asks him how he Travels, he tells her he connects two points and then burrows through them.  Egwene is scared by this and thinks it's dangerous.  She then creates a replica of her tent using spirt to enter the Dream World and travel to Salidar.  She meets Moghedien and tells her how Rand told her how to Travel, Moghedien says that's how men Travel and then discribes what Egwene did to enter the Dream World as how a women Travels.  Egwene creates a Gateway to the Waste and then tells Moghedien to never think that she might not already know how to do something and that she will punish her severly if she ever catches her lying to her again.  This implies that a women Travels the same way as a man, anyway that the concept is the same.  That may not mean that the weave is exactly the same, and we have learned that the weave for something may differ from women to women.  For instance we know that Aviendha created a Gateway when fleeing from Rand, but cannot remember how she did it.  She has difficulty creating one with the weave shown to her by Egwene.  If you think about it the principles for doing something with the power would be the same, but the way you put it together may differ.  To create a flame you would use fire whether man or women.

First, we've seen both Rand and Egwene make gateways, and the descriptions are different. Second, I think you are misinterpreting what Egwene meant. She says, "Never be too sure I don't already know the answer...Remember. Lie to me once." (LoC Ch. 37) She was not saying that what Moghedien told her was wrong. She was instead threatening Moghedien by saying, oh look, I already knew how to do that, I was just testing you, and warning her for the future in order to establish her authority over Moghedien and to frighten the woman into always telling her the truth. She did this just to get Moghedien to be easier to handle in the future, not because Moghedien actually told her something incorrect.

Show me where it is described differently.

[i realize now, after listening to Brandon’s answer that I was making an assumption about the One Power too, that it is separate from the Creator because of what we have been given in the books and the BWB, but I should have asked [b]if instead the One Power is the essence of the Creator[/b]…]

 

Matt: Ok. So, obviously a channeler uses the True Power. We’ve discussed this before they weave the True Power just as they weave the One Power...

 

Brandon: ...they do and you don’t have to learn, and so that should tell you that the weaves are similar if not identical to the One Power. There are certain things the True Power can do that are different and it goes about things in different ways, but you don’t have to relearn everything.

(my emphasis)

 

We've seen many times in the text, and from several different PoV's, that the male and female ways of creating any weave with the OP are quite different.  Dealing with fire, and traveling are just two examples.  Those differences are attributable to the differences between males and females of course. 

 

But in the quote, Brandon seems to be saying that functionally the OP and the TP are close enough that the user does not need to relearn how to create a certain weave when switching from OP to TP. 

 

So whether or not the OP is the essence of the Creator (if that had been asked im sure it would have been RAFO'd anyway) this connection between OP and TP has some disturbing implications for the nature of the OP.  Anyone have any insights into this?

 

 

This has bothered me for some time.  Every post I read about how men and women are different when channeling refers to the way men and women travel as being different.  I believe, and think am strongly supported by the books, that this is false.  When Egwene goes to Rand and asks him how he Travels, he tells her he connects two points and then burrows through them.  Egwene is scared by this and thinks it's dangerous.  She then creates a replica of her tent using spirt to enter the Dream World and travel to Salidar.  She meets Moghedien and tells her how Rand told her how to Travel, Moghedien says that's how men Travel and then discribes what Egwene did to enter the Dream World as how a women Travels.  Egwene creates a Gateway to the Waste and then tells Moghedien to never think that she might not already know how to do something and that she will punish her severly if she ever catches her lying to her again.  This implies that a women Travels the same way as a man, anyway that the concept is the same.  That may not mean that the weave is exactly the same, and we have learned that the weave for something may differ from women to women.  For instance we know that Aviendha created a Gateway when fleeing from Rand, but cannot remember how she did it.  She has difficulty creating one with the weave shown to her by Egwene.  If you think about it the principles for doing something with the power would be the same, but the way you put it together may differ.  To create a flame you would use fire whether man or women.