Wrong, Shaidar Haran firstly appears in EotW, in Beirlon.

No, actually, we have it straight from RJ's mouth that the Fade who appeared to Carridin was an (albeit unsuccessful) attempt at making Shaidar Haran. Hence, the Fade in Baerlon was just a Fade.

 

I wasn't talking about the first Chapter of The Dragon Reborn where Carridin meets a Fade that gives a hint of a smile. I was talking to the Fade that talked to Rand in Beirlon in the first book - Eye of the World.

Same answer. There aren't many huge smiling and talking Fades.

That Fade talked but was of usual size, so - Shaidar Haran v0.5

However, sheikh chilli's hatred of Rand al`Thor, to me, really does cross way over into the realms of Bizzarro land.

Don't you remember bubby and his Egwene passion? Starts here http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,9970.msg1025208.html#msg1025208  ;D

I don't believe they have to be true for anyone else than Verin. But they do have to be true in Verin's view. You missed half the thing that Verin said. She said "Moiraine Sedai sent me, Lord Ingtar. She thought you might need me.". Moiraine never said that.

Moiraine never sent Verin anywhere. Verin is a smart woman, she comprehends what has been said (and what wasn't). Verin knows that Moiraine never sent her anywhere. Verin went anyway. Verin lied.

Neither I think Moiraine said that, you know  ;)

I believe she said something that Verin did interpret for herself as a reason to go after Rand & Co. Something that let her evade breaking the First Oath.

Which has nothing to do with what Moiraine meant by her words.

It has been said before, but Verin does not make very many, if any, slips of the tongue.  For me, her character is way to intelligent/cautious to make such an amateur mistake that could be very easily detected.  The fact that this "lie" seems so obvious sets off alarms for me.

 

"Moiraine Sedai sent me, Lord Ingtar,"

...

Besides, Tam says it best...

"You see, lad, Aes Sedai are tricksome. They don’t lie, not right out, but the truth an Aes Sedai tells you is not always the truth you think it is."

I had the same thought when reading the discussion on this situation - for Verin not to break the Oath is only needed to believe herself that something Moiraine said made Verin go.

And this phrase - "Moiraine Sedai sent me, Lord Ingtar, ..." - should be true only to her, not to Moiraine, Ingtar, Rand or whoever else.

That's the point, IMHO, where lies the misunderstanding between Alghar Khan and the others. He believes Verin's words have to be true for them, which is wrong.