Ok, first of all, the reason for the "Bitternes" is that I find the constant caustic and degrading nature of Mr. Ares language with everyone who dares disagree with him somewhat juvinile and annoying.  It is possible to disagree with someone and not be nasty you know.

Exhibit A:

Therefore, the only thing that could have caused what we see in Lan is Moiraine being severed. Therefore, she was severed. I'm not going too fast for you, am I?

Really, is this kind of language really necessary?  Does it make you feel superior or something?

Exhibit B:

Also, I see you got the name Luckers right. Is this because you are frightened about his response if you got it wrong, or because you are too stupid to think of a way to get that name wrong?

Yes... that is it.  I am too scared and stupid to spell "Luckers" wrong.  Another fine example of your deductive reasoning powers.  Would you feel better if I spelled Luckers wrong too?

Ares' attitude aside...

Luckers, you replied

Indeed, she could do that--if Myrelle were present. Myrelle was not present.

The way I remember reading it, Moraine had already done all that was necessary with Myrelle and all she had to do was "pull the trigger" so to speak.  If that is the case, then that could have been why Moraine "embraced the source" as she tackled Lanfear.  Why do you think that Myrelle would have to be present.

Also you state:

Actually it couldn't. For one, freely passing the bond does not cause the Death Absortion Effects. Lan experiences that effect. She did not directly pass the bond.

I disagree.  Lan did not go into a beserker-type uncontrollable rage as is often discussed and illustrated on at least one occasion that I can recall.  His behaivior is more in line with someone who thinks he just lost a long-time companion.  Lan had always told Moraine that she would "long outlive me".  I'm sure he would have viewed her apparent death as a failure to protect her as he swore to do.  Lan's character does not strike me as the type to take that well.

Mr. Ares, you wrote:

Week 13 Question: Is the White Tower currently aware of any way to completely dissolve/undo the bond between an Aes Sedai and her Warder so that the link no longer exists and all the positive and negative effects of the bond are removed?

 

Robert Jordan Answers: Yes, they are. It is called releasing a Warder, and an Aes Sedai who is very old or injured so badly that she knows she is going to die will, if she has the strength, release him so he doesn't suffer from her death. This does require the two of them to be together, and a little more time that laying on the bond. If they are physically apart, or she doesn't have enough time or strength remaining, touch on him.

This is refering to releasing a Warder, not passing a bond.  Apples and Oranges good man...

You go on..

Why would they make a bargain? Come on, I really would like to know why the Eelfinn would bargain with them. They have nothing to gain that they cannot take. There is nothing we know of that would force a bargain to be made. And what is so "dumb" about the doorway being broken giving a good reason for the Eelfinn to refuse to bargain? If you owned a shop and someone walked in through the door as usual, it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to treat them as you usually treat customers. If, on the other hand, someone were to enter by destroying the door, by destroying the main way into your place of business, meaning any business you get will be through the decidedly shadier backdoor operation, why would you treat these people as normal customers as opposed to criminals?

We know next to nothing of the Finns, the deal that was set with them in times past, or what their true motivations are.  In my humble opinion, all of this is just slight-of-hand jibberish to try to support your ideas.

People came to the conclusion it was Moiraine because Min has only ever had one viewing fail, one about Moiraine, coupled with her thinking that Rand would fail without a woman dead and gone - which everyone believes Moiraine to be.

Point taken...

Finally...

How do you explain Cyndane being weaker than Lanfear then? When did Lanfear first use the doorway, considering we have no evidence of any use at all besides the incident at the Cairhien docks? How did she even go through, given that Mat found a similar trick impossible in The Shadow Rising? How can she be held if she is killed instantly?

1. Cydane being weaker.  Long drawn out crazy theory that I don't have time for because the hockey game is on soon.

2.She did not go through.  The door opened for Moraine and she was pulled/pushed through by Moraine, killing Lanfear and the door caught fire and melted. (My crazy, absolutely unprovable theory)

3. The answer to her being held is related the the strength difference. See #1.

The biggest question you need to ask yourself is "What plot line would be furthered by my crazy theory?"

Wings are on... Gotta go!

WOW, I can't believe how long people are willing to argue with the Great WOT Dynamic Dou (Mr. Errors and Luckers).  Since they obviously have used their massive intellect to deduce the impossible, there is really no need for the rest of you to come up with opposing ideas.  Be warned, if you try it, you will be labeled as ignorant and "childish" by Mr Arers. 

When you look at their theory on Lanfear/Cyndane, it is built on shaky foundations.  They chide the rest of us to produce "evidence,” yet their theories are built on assumption on top of assumption.  For just one instance (since I don't apparently have the time as old man Arror to post):

MYTH: One of their lines of "evidence" that Moraine was still/burned out when she went through the door with Lanfear is that her bond to Lan was "Snapped".

Again, sticking with what is known: Lan's bond could only have been snapped by death or severing and Moiraine isn't dead - therefore she is severed. Cyndane's drop in strength is of a character only previously seen in those women Healed by women after severing - so Lanfear was severed.

FACT: At numerous times in the story, Moraine and Lan discuss how the arrangement for Lan's bond to pass if something happens to her has already been made.  Moraine also threatens to consciously pass the bond without anything negative happening to her.  She says this jokingly, but it is clear she can pass the bond at will.

FACT: Just before Moraine tackles Lanfear and they go tumbling through the doorway, Moraine "embraces the source".  Granted, this could mean anything.  But it COULD mean that since she already saw the future in the rings, she was passing Lan's bond while she still could.  She could not do it sooner because Lan would have noticed and known she was up to something.  Knowing that this event had to happen, she could have been hiding it from him until the last possible second to keep him from interfering.

THEORY:  Since it is quite possible that Moraine was not stilled, than it stands to reason the neither was Lanfear.  She was also likely killed instantly for violating the rule on using the doorway more than once or else she would have killed Moraine as soon as they found themselves in Finland.  By the way, I have a new theory (at least to me anyway).  I think that Lanfear is the woman that Rand needs to win, not Moraine, since she is the only woman we KNOW died and lived again.

NOTE:  That is one of many problems with their theory.  My theories are just that.  Not any better than theirs, but at least I admit it and would not talk down to people who make alternate suggestions with bullcrap suggestions that they have used some sort of logical operator to deduce the mind of RJ.  Mr. Errors is pretty free with what he considers "evidence" sometimes.  This is a work of FICTION.  What will happen is more or less what RJ intended for it to happen no matter what crazy theories get posted or how much "sense" it makes

One More because I can't help it!  Some more enlightening "Eveidence" from the Duo!!

They would not have bargained at all with either Moiraine or Lanfear, and that has been elaborated on more than often. You want to know about it, look it up.

Again..

Which bargain would that be then? We have no evidence she has ever bargained with the Eelfinn. What would she have to give them that they can't take from her? All we know is that she was a prisoner. We have no reason to believe they treat with prisoners, do we?

They are no different than any other visitor to their realms.  Their is a price to leave and a bargain to be struck.  I think Lanfear was killed (because she did die after all) and for all we know Moraine may have voluntarily stayed there waiting to be rescued.  If she saw it in one of her visions as the only way for the light to win, she would have.

I know it is far fetched, but what the hell right!  It is possible, and there is no "evidence" to the contrary that I am aware of. Of course that depends on what you accept as "Evidence."

Peace Out.