Hello,

 

 Does (approaching end of ToM in re-read prior to aMOL). . Does anyone outside of Perrin's followers/Faile know about his wolf related abilities? Mainly Mat, Thom etc. I know Rand has suspicions. It just struck me during Chapter 47: A teaching chamber that Mat didn't mention anything about this.

 

Many thanks

I believe the only ones that know for sure are:

 

Faile

Elyas

Moiraine

Lan

Egwene

Thanks for your reply, makes sense. Just stuck me as odd as I couldn't recall Mat ever mentioning Perrin's eyes. In TGH when Perrin acts as a sniffer he leaves Mats side to tell Ingtar he can track (which I had wrongly thought might have been where Mat had learned something of Perrin's abilities) and I can't recall this ever getting brought up again by Mat.

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Hello,

 Does (approaching end of ToM in re-read prior to aMOL). . Does anyone outside of Perrin's followers/Faile know about his wolf related abilities? Mainly Mat, Thom etc. I know Rand has suspicions. It just struck me during Chapter 47: A teaching chamber that Mat didn't mention anything about this.

Many thanks

when did he get the extra hand?

It was a nightmare, after all

 

Lots more interesting points! Just out of interest, the point on Elayne/Aviendha potentially controlling Rand so long as he wasn't holding saidin, is this a fact that is revealed later in ToM? (I am only about 300 pages in) I just wondered as I don't recall anyone being bonded and controlled, and this being affected by their holding the saidin or saidar. (I am not doubting your right just hoping I haven't missed anything!)

We saw Myrelle using her Bond with Lan to control him (she touched a weave of Spirit to the Bond to make him obey), and Alanna told Verin that she tired to do the same with Rand immediately after Bonding him but it didn't work (he was holding sai'din at the time). We know (I think Rahvin or Sammael told us that) that Compulsion doesn't work on one holding sai'din, but it does on a woman holding sai'dar (Graendal was able to Compel Cyndane and Moghedien when they came to summon her to Moridin), and indeed Logain was able to make Toveine obey him after Bonding her even though she was holding sai'dar. These facts put together make a compelling argument, I think. I can't recall at the moment whether RJ confirmed this theory.

Thanks very much.

The Bond between Rand and each of his girlfriends isn't dependent on his channeling ability; on his side it's the same as the warder Bond (which likely means that he can't mask it, and Elayne/Aviendha could use it to control him if they so wished and he wasn't holding sai'din when they tried).

There is no Bond between the girlfriends themselves as a result of that incident (Aviendha and Elayne took each other as first-sisters, but that's beside the point). What they did while Bonding Rand was only to make the Bond work for all three of them, rather than each Bonding him in turn (which Min couldn't have done, naturally, which is probably why they opted for that weave).

 

Nevertheless, each and every one of those who are aware of a strange connection between Rand and Min is aware of the Ashaman method of Bonding, and therefore initially assumed Rand Bonded Min (we're told that much in the books). None but Nynaeve has had reason to revisit that assumption, and even she only has a clue that Elayne Bonded Rand (or vice-versa), and that only if she's as perceptive as Egwene (she had other things to worry about at the time of Elayne's slip of the tongue). I find it highly unlikely that anyone else guessed the real nature of their Bond.

Lots more interesting points! Just out of interest, the point on Elayne/Aviendha potentially controlling Rand so long as he wasn't holding saidin, is this a fact that is revealed later in ToM? (I am only about 300 pages in) I just wondered as I don't recall anyone being bonded and controlled, and this being affected by their holding the saidin or saidar. (I am not doubting your right just hoping I haven't missed anything!)

but Nynaeve likely knows about the bond to Min, and she knows about Elayne's pregnancy too so she could probably put two and two together (or one and three :P).

I disagree. Everyone in Rand's group suspect that he Bonded her, not the other way around. Why would Nynaeve suspect the truth, unless she shares Egwene's suspicion after their talk in ToM?

Thanks again for the replies everyone, all good points to be considered

lol. You guys must have missed this bit:

 

"Rand al'Thor," Nynaeve shrieked, "that is the most outrageous thing I ever heard out of your mouth! The very idea of telling three women you love them! You're worse than a lecher! You apologize right now!" Lan had snatched his pipe from his mouth and was staring at Rand.

Thanks for the reply. This is from WH:12, A lily in Winter? Isn't this the conversation they have before the bonding ceremony talking about love and marriage, Elayne says lets go to our rooms so as not to be bothered by Nynaeve and Lan as she feared Nynaeve would stop them? edit: from bonding with Rand.

Cheers

Hello, not sure I should post this on the end of here, rather than make a new thread, but here goes anyway :)

 

*SPOLIERS FOR UP TO END OF tGS*

 

I have been wondering for the last few books (about 200 pages into ToM now, but won't mention any of that here) as to who knows about Rands bond to his 3 Women, I suppose only the 'main' characters. I have got a little confused by this overall. Nynaeve seems to know, but I don't ever recall this being discussed (I would assume the only real chance of this happening would be talking to Min). Cadusune has worked it out (as of CoT). Birgitte I assume also knows via the bond to Elayne. I guess she would keep this a secret, or perhaps tell the wise ones know also. The main point in this though is Nynaeve's knowing, I know she knows but don't recall her ever been told, and wonder if there was a missed announcment or similar. If anyone knows that would be a great help, saving my sanity and the endless web searches (and then I can get on with finishing ToM) :)

 

Cheers!

I didn't think anyone knew the whole of it except themselves (Rand and the three). Alanna knows he let someONE else bond him but not who. Caddy and maybe Nynaeve may suspect HE bonded Min, and

Eggy suspects Elayne bonded Rand

. I don't think anyone knows about Avi, except maybe Brigitte as you mentioned. Mat maybe the only one to know about Rand's relationship with the three if he stopped to think about it.

 

Have fun in TOM

Thanks very much for the reply. It was what is in the spoiler that set my off on this latest quest for an answer! I had only really being considering who knew about Min and Rand really as there hasn't been much interaction (pre ToM) between the others. As you rightly say they are only suspicions voiced from Cadusune and later Nynaeve, which of course we know are true!

Thanks again, having a lot of fun with ToM

Hello, not sure I should post this on the end of here, rather than make a new thread, but here goes anyway :)

*SPOLIERS FOR UP TO END OF tGS*

I have been wondering for the last few books (about 200 pages into ToM now, but won't mention any of that here) as to who knows about Rands bond to his 3 Women, I suppose only the 'main' characters. I have got a little confused by this overall. Nynaeve seems to know, but I don't ever recall this being discussed (I would assume the only real chance of this happening would be talking to Min). Cadusune has worked it out (as of CoT). Birgitte I assume also knows via the bond to Elayne. I guess she would keep this a secret, or perhaps tell the wise ones know also. The main point in this though is Nynaeve's knowing, I know she knows but don't recall her ever been told, and wonder if there was a missed announcment or similar. If anyone knows that would be a great help, saving my sanity and the endless web searches (and then I can get on with finishing ToM) :)

Cheers!