~pouts~

Oh, alright then, back to the books...

http://www.theorylan...hread.php?t=372

Q: Can Moridin use a male angreal if he channels the True Power?

RJ: No.

 

AFAIK the balefire cross is the only time we've seen a mixing of OP and TP. If I could remember a clear example, I would have cited it.

 

But it is not a male angreal, it's a 'mixed' angreal

 

No, it is a male sa'angreal. It has absolutely zero effect on how much saidar one can channel. It's just not safe to use unless you link with two women. There's no such thing as "mixed" angreal or sa'angreal. They may be possible, but none has ever appeared nor has anyone in the series shown any indication of knowing of such a thing.

Sorry, I'm getting my angreals and sa'angreals mixed up, and I'm not making myself clear either.

My point is that this is one of a kind, or perhaps the one surviving example. Cadsuane knows that there is a piece of information she missed about Callandor. We'll just have to wait and see what it turns out to be.

 

http://www.theoryland.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=372

Q: Can Moridin use a male angreal if he channels the True Power?

RJ: No.

 

AFAIK the balefire cross is the only time we've seen a mixing of OP and TP. If I could remember a clear example, I would have cited it.

But it is not a male angreal, it's a 'mixed' angreal

Callandor is not a TP angreal and, if we go by the balefire cross TP and OP don't mix.

Ok, I've had a glass of wine and I'm in an argumentative mood...

Maybe balefire streams don't mix, but where is the evidence that OP and TP can not be used together? (I'm feeling argumentative, not belligirent, so if there is any I'd be glad to read it)

Callandor is not an ordinary angreal. We know that, Rand using it by himself caused no end of trouble. A circle of three (inc. saidin and saidar) managed to flatten a hilltop. But maybe it can go up another notch?

In In TGS (ch 48) there is a whole section devoted to how there's something about Callandor... Even Cadsuane who told Rand about Callandor's 'flaw' admits we don't have the whole story yet -

" "Cadsuane," she said. "This is still wrong. There's more here. Something we havn't discovered." "About Callandor?" the woman asked. Min nodded. "I suspect as well," Cadsuane replied."

Now, I just want to know how hw's going to use it...

I'd speculate that if something has to touch the DO, and he is able to taint it, then he'd better use True Power for the job and not Choedan Kal.

 

So...make the Dark One touch himself?

 

Yup

 

 

OK, while I was mostly just indulging in cheap innuendo, there is a serious point: what good does it do to touch the DO with the DO? How would you make him hold himself back? It makes no sense. Why would you be able to use him to "close the gap" when he's the very thing coming through that gap in the first place?

Lewd thoughts aside...

I was originally thinking of double negatives and how TP is finite, maybe you could channel TP until used up completely?

Knife of Dreams book tour 13 October 2005, Harvard Coop - basri...@gmail.com reporting "[One Power] It is never used up, and so it is like an infinite resevour of power. The True power is not like this at all. The TP comes from the dark one of course."

Then I had a night's sleep, did a little more reading, thought about your comment, found this thread and came across the answer to my first question

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Borders, Washington DC 4 November 2009 - mrc1ark reporting "Sanderson said Rand realized that he did not need the Choedan Kal for the Last Battle. Brandon also said that Rand was not at a point where he needed the Choedan Kal for anything he wanted to do."

So there was some sort of revelation, (I still think you need the three powers to use Callandor to full effect though)

Hey quick question. Is there a place where I can find all of Min's viewings, plus all of Egwene and the wise ones dreams?

here

I'd speculate that if something has to touch the DO, and he is able to taint it, then he'd better use True Power for the job and not Choedan Kal.

 

So...make the Dark One touch himself?

Yup

And as to what effect that would have....perhaps I'd better turn that into the next 'simple' question.

Has this been discussed before? I've not found anything on the subject so far.

It seems clear that if using just Saidin didn't work, then just Saidar won't either.

Maybe you need all three - Saidin, Saidar and TP. Callandor springs to mind... "He shall hold a blade of light in his hands, and the three shall be as one"

I'm sure I've seen this 'triple' theory somewhere before, or at least something very similar, sorry I can't find it at the moment.

I think more research wouldn't go amiss here...

It's all explained in "The Strike At Shayol Ghul".

Yes that definitely helps. Especially since I've also remembered this : (TGS ch22) "It didn't work, Lewis Therin whispered. We used saidin, but we touched it to the Dark One. It was the only way! Something has to touch him, something to close the gap, but he was able to taint it. The seal was weak!"

I'd speculate that if something has to touch the DO, and he is able to taint it, then he'd better use True Power for the job and not Choedan Kal.

I've only just finished reading the series for the first time so I'm probably missing the obvious, but, why did Rand destroy the Choedan Kal?

I mean, is he not being a little rash?

Is it just a temper tantrum? Or has he worked out the entire game plan?

Is he now going to go everywhere accompanied by two others just so he can use Callandor?

Or is he going to hug the baddies to death?

 

Ok, I'm being flippant, but what have I missed?

 

Partly I think he destroyed it because it was too tempting to use it to solve problems.

Partly I think he destroyed it for fear that some other saidin channeler, possibly one that owed allegiance to the GLoD, would get hold of it. That could have happened if Semirhage, Shaidar and co. had bothered.

Thanks for the reply

What you say makes perfect sense, but I still find it all less than satisfying somehow. I'm not convinced by the scene, to the point where I had to post the question. It just seems out of character, unless he's had some revelation we don't yet know about.

Oh well...guess I'll have to wait for TOM to see if it clears the issue.

I've only just finished reading the series for the first time so I'm probably missing the obvious, but, why did Rand destroy the Choedan Kal?

I mean, is he not being a little rash?

Is it just a temper tantrum? Or has he worked out the entire game plan?

Is he now going to go everywhere accompanied by two others just so he can use Callandor?

Or is he going to hug the baddies to death?

Ok, I'm being flippant, but what have I missed?