There are two possibilites and neither has been confirmed yet. The first is that the Dark One let Rand do it in order to drive him deeper into madness. This would imply that the DO set up Semirhage. The second is that Rand pulled the true power through his connection to Moridin. Both theories have merit and I myself go back and forth between the two. I am leaning towards the first as there is foreshadowing in earlier books about Semi thinking about how the DO could sacrifice her to get to Rand.

I forget, as of the end of TGS, where the heck are Bayle and Egeanin (I will not call her Leilwin)? We are in the process of moving and all of my books are packed except TSR and TFoH.

i find this link to be the most fascinating thing going in the series and I think it will play THE crucial role in the outcome. I read a theory once that said balefiring balefire creates a paradox. They both cause the other to cease to exist, but if one ceases to exist, the other exists, and so on is the paradox. The only way for the pattern to solve this paradox is to make the two balefire streams (and thus their source) become one. I am not sure I buy into this theory fully, but it is interesting. I always wondered how (pre KOD) people thought this was the taint. I thought it was very clear right away that the dizziness was from this.

I dont think we have any evidence that says either of them had less strength, I cant recall Dashiva's strength ever being specifically mentioned except he was not as strong as Rand. Aginor was second only Ish. (and weaker that LTT) in the one power, so do we have any evidence to suggest Dashiva was that strong? However, he could have simply been masking his true strength like Mess. so i doubt we will know.

 

However, from his and Halima's POV there is nothing to suggest they were anything but the same strength they were before, and you would think that that would be something they would think about at some point

I just looked back and found no mention of decreased strength so you are probably correct.  I guess the  stilled, killed, transmigrated, and then healed theory is more likely.

We do know that Cyndane must have healed by a woman due to the time factor. She was healed and mind-trapped before moggy arrived at Moridin's doorstep. Moggy escaped before Dumai's Well. The first male healer of stilling learnt how to do only after Dumai's Wells. We also know that women healing women doesn't mean 100 per cent strength recovery.

Is there any evidence at all that Dashiva was weaker than Aginor?

Or Halima than Balthamiel?

 

 

 

If Lanfear/Cyndane is weaker from healing, why does she have a completely different body?  Are you saying she was stilled, killed, transmigrated, and then healed?

 

Really though, thanks for pulling that quote out and summarizing its meaning.  Although now I am even more curious as to why Cyndane isn't as powerful.

 

Coz she was burned out and healed by a woman.

I'd say its because she transmigrated into another body, not as strong in the power (see Osangar for example).

 

The ability to channel is tied to the soul; not simply the body.  For example, RJ said that the Dragon soul would always be able to channel.  There's a genetic component to channeling, yes, but RJ described it as if the genetic dice are tossed, and if the body is capable of channeling, then a channeling-soul is allocated to the body. It follows that bodies for transmigration would likewise have to satisfy the genetic-channeling component to be a candidate for transmigration of a Forsaken.  The extent of the ability to channel, I would think, lies with the soul and not the body.

 

With regard to

(see Osangar for example)

you seem to be trying to infer he was weaker than Aginor, but I didn't think he was.

Agree that the ability to channel lies with the soul.  I do believe, however, that the STRENGHT of the channeler lies with the body.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we not know that Osangar was less powerful than Aginor?

 

Really though, thanks for pulling that quote out and summarizing its meaning.  Although now I am even more curious as to why Cyndane isn't as powerful.

 

Coz she was burned out and healed by a woman.

I'd say its because she transmigrated into another body, not as strong in the power (see Osangar for example).

I don't know if this has been asked but does it ever say that Cyndane/Lanfear actualy died in finnland. I always thought that she had gone once before and got her beauty and power, I remember from TGH Min's warning to Perrin about running away from the most beautiful women he's ever seen and Lolial's comment on her beauty which made it seem to me that it was unnatural and I think in WH Cyndane mentions something about power.

 

I always thought that they returned her to her original form and power

 

Just to clarify is it ever mentionned that she actualy dies?

 

That's actually a pretty interesting idea... you should look and see if they ever describe what Mierin looked like.  Although if it was a wish of some kind that gave her more power than she has now, that may be why she was so certain that she was as powerful in sai'dar as it was possible for a woman to be... and she was a researcher, so who knows what she had uncovered... still, something like that might feel like it came out of nowhere, since I don't know she's ever talked about having met the Eelfinn before.

We all know that Lanfear is completely full of herself, so we do not really know if this is true, do we?

I don't know if this has been asked but does it ever say that Cyndane/Lanfear actualy died in finnland. I always thought that she had gone once before and got her beauty and power, I remember from TGH Min's warning to Perrin about running away from the most beautiful women he's ever seen and Lolial's comment on her beauty which made it seem to me that it was unnatural and I think in WH Cyndane mentions something about power.

 

I always thought that they returned her to her original form and power

 

Just to clarify is it ever mentionned that she actualy dies?

 

The general consensus is that she was stilled and died and was then healed by a woman as the transmigration did not fix the stilling, but there is nothing in the books besides the new name to contradict your theory.

 

Am I correct in my understanding that channelling ability is in both the soul and the body? If so, perhaps if you transmigrate a strong-channeller soul into a weaker body, would that account for the drop in Cyndane/Lanfear's strength?

 

I was always under the impression that the ability to channel and what you channel (saidin/saidar) is attached to the soul (i.e. Arangar).  And the strength in the OP is tied to the body.

Is Elayne's constant sniffing a result of the nose candy?