3 hours ago, Samt said:

Does that apply to all first sisters or only to non-biological first sisters?  My understanding was that first sisters is also the term for two women who were literally born sisters.  

First sister applies to both Is actual sisters, And to close friends who adopt each other as first sisters.  Only adopted first sisters are allowed to become sister wives.  Two blood sisters can't actually marry the same man.

1 hour ago, Samt said:

Interesting.  I was aware that first sisters and sister wives are different and that the ceremony is to become first sisters.  However, I had thought that to become sister wives two women must be first sisters already.  Perhaps that is not the case.  

 

However, my point is that the relationship between sister wives is shown as being primarily that of sisters.  The wives part comes from the fact that they are wives to a common husband.  They are not wives to each other.  As such, there is no implied sexual relationship like there would be between husband and wife.  That doesn't necessarily mean that there couldn't be a sexual relationship, but I would say that RJ made it clear that these relationships are not generally sexual.  

 

We can fanfic slash any two characters if we want to, but that's about all there is to sex between sister wives.  

No.  Any women can marry the same man if they agree to share him.

The only difference with women who adopt each other as first sisters is that they can't get married UNLESS they both want to marry the same man.  

On 11/10/2023 at 1:06 AM, Samt said:

That's kind of an odd take considering the whole sister wives thing is pretty explicitly a reference to them becoming sisters that share a mother. They have a whole ceremony where they are reborn from a common mother.

So your theory suggests that it's not only polygamous, but also incestuous.  

I believe you are mistaking sister wives for first sisters.  Sister wives do not have to be first sisters.  

The ceremony you are talking about involves two women who are closer than friends who wish to adopt each other as first sister.  That has nothing to do with becoming sister wives.

Two women can share a husband without being first sisters.

Originally, I think Jordan had planned to have it as more of a polygamous relationship with the girls in a romantic relationship with each other as well as rand and all involved sharing each other

But changed it because he felt that have open same sex relationships would hurt the marketability.   Just like he never clearly stated that "pillowfriends" in the white tower were lesbian lovers in the story its e lf.

On 11/1/2023 at 11:42 AM, Shawlee said:

 

United?

The forsakens?

And you want Tear and Illian to rally together?

 

How are they going to do that, they are ancient enemies, even forgetting that as nothing from the book matters anymore.

 

You think the forsaken will have the foresight and willingness to work together? Especially the rest of them. Only person who had that foresight is Issy.

 

You want Ravin and Sammael to work together or sammael and demandred? I just can't even imagine that. Also it will take away from the most important aspect of the chosens they DON'T WORK TOGETHER.

They often work together when it suits them, especially the weaker ones who know they aren't powerful enough to take on the more powerful.

2 minutes ago, Shawlee said:

 

Wait wasn't Belal  in tear? They can easily expand on him or merge him with another male forsaken.

I would say that the locations of the forsaken in the books should not be considered canon for the show.  

Though it would be fitting to put him in tear, And have rand kill him since he's killed by balefire in the books and is basically expendable.

My idea is to have two more or more of the forsaken posing as leaders of tear and Illian and lead their armies in a united front against rand and the aiel. 

There are a number of forsaken who are expendable since they die early in the books but could be recast later if they still want to have the plot point that the DO can put their souls into new bodies, with the exception of those killed using balefire.

It would be a great way to introduce a few of the forsaken even if they are killed off.  Have them manipulating the lords of major countries Into fighting rand, And have them revealed as forsaken before being killed or being forced to flee.  The ones who die in the first three books can be killed and maybe have one, perhaps Sammael who escapes.  Balal, Aginor, and Bathamel can all be killed with no damage to the plot.  

Perhaps Sammael is posing as the King of Illian and Balal as a high lord of tear who has gained enough power to lead the other high lords.  And aginor and bathamel who I believe are both weaker than they are even in the books are working with them as well.  Rand defeats them, takes the Stone, kills aginor, balance and bathamel, and Sammael escapes but is ousted as one of the forsaken to enough of the illians that they would support rand taking the city and being named king.

Healing is a talent not a construct.  A construct is a living being like the chora trees or the nym or even trollocs and other shadowspawn if you want to get technical.

There is no genetic alteration being done while healing you.  The weaves used simply super charges the body's natural healing properties and allow things to be healed that the body would normally not be able to.  

I actually like this idea.  Rand leads the Aiel over the Spine of the world and uses them to force the Westlands to unite under him and they are met with opposition who consider him to be a false dragon and the season ends with him and the aiel taking the stone.

Since Ishy is dead, one of the high lords of Tear who lead the war effort against him can be revealed as one of the other male forsaken and be killed by Rand.  Maybe Aganor and Bathamiel posing as high lords since they are both expendable.  They can take ishy's place as the ones who were planning to steal Calandor once Rand took it.

There wouldn't need to be any actual changes to the story for this, just changing around the timeline.

12 minutes ago, A Memory Of Why said:

 

I'm thinking it mat be a trigger to the holes in his memories, though maybe I'm just keen for some fins.

They have to spend so much money on makeup and c g I for the trollocs and fades That i'm not surprised they're cutting out the snakes and the foxes.

I am extremely pissed off that day cut out Rand's fight with  Turok.

I was looking forward to watching that fight.  

As daniel green has said, It's best to look at this as an alternate reality to the book world.  Think of it as just another alternate universe throughout the portal stones where the story is different than in the books.

I'm thinking that with so little emphasis being put on the horn itself, That they are going to extend the hunt for the horn until next season.  Trigger they were talking about adding a little more story lines to Fain, So maybe parents goes with the Shienarans to hunt Fain, who stole the horn from the Seanchan, they all end up in tear.  

On 9/27/2023 at 2:43 PM, Ralph said:

didn't someone say it happens in caemlyn in s3? 

I don't recall anyone actually involved in the show coming out and saying that.

On 9/17/2023 at 4:13 AM, Scarloc99 said:

I doubt Mat is going back to the tower again, I don't think he will access the dagger again either, think he is healed from that already, or any healing will happen away from the WT. Season 3 is book 4 so we need to get Rand and Mat to the 3 fold land asap so he can go through the doorway. With only 6 more seasons they can't be wasting time with the constant back and forth to the white tower that you get in the books, I am not 100% sure the girls will go back to the white tower now at all, although they might just so they can become accepted. 

I think we are getting the sparring scene somewhere that is not the white tower at all. 

I think that he might have to go back to the tower.  They will have to take the dagger back.  I think that he'll have some sort of immunity to its effects since he was already healed from it, And he will be the only one that can safely carry it.  As far as i'm aware it's effects can't be stopped just by locking it away.  So he'll likely carry it back to the tower and be rehealed just to be safe, and the brothers will likely come to the tower to visit Elayne and train with the warders in season 3

On 9/23/2023 at 11:29 AM, BookMattBetterThanShow said:

Once the tower coup happen Siuan looks change they can get a new younger actress to take her place.

Her looks aren't going to change in the show.  They dropped the agelessness so they could use the same actors throughout the series, and their Chang in looks was an effect of the agelessness.  

On 9/14/2023 at 3:57 AM, Scarloc99 said:

One of the great generals that leads the last battle, with a storyline that ends in tragedy, a storyline that leads directly to Matt being given the role he is at the last battle, the whole compulsion plot is key to the dark almost winning and to have that pack an emotional punch the audience needs it to happen to characters they care about. We have Siuan so we will have Gareth because there arcs are so interlinked, and that kind of tragic story is one that TV writers love to write. 

So was Algamar.  

With mat's escape from the tower At the beginning of season 2, Part of me is worried that he won't be there to beat the crap out of galad  and gawyn.  

I'm sure they'll keep it in, Since it's such an epic moment for mat and a fan favorite.  But with so many changes to the story, I'm worried they'll drop it because it doesn't actually Have any necessary plot elements.  

I'm hoping that they have to take the Dagger back, And mat is the only one that can safely hold it, So he's forced to go back with them and be rehealed After holding the dagger for so long.  

I believe the last episode will end with Rand leaving to go to Tear. 

The Fall of the Stone will be a k e y ploy point in season 3 though I think season 3 will be books 3 and 4 together, Since there is only a o much that can be done with book 3 with it most being everyone chasing Rand.

On 9/4/2023 at 12:37 PM, Scarloc99 said:

Brandon Sanderson made him whiney and annoying, I mean Brandon bless him did a pretty bad job with alot of parts of the books lets be honest. But even then the core of the journey he was on made perfect sense. To go from being raised that he would be important to all of Andor and protector of his sister with an army and all the responsibility that entails, to then realising that the women he loves and wants to protect doesn't want him because he doesn't get it and is making mistakes is a great story. He is one of the most human characters, he wants to protect Egwene the women he loves from everything, the tower, herself, the dark, and in doing so completely loses sight of the lessons he would have learnt for his role as Elaynes protector. he has given everything up, and been told that he has to ignore his own knowledge and understanding of the world, he is constantly told he is wrong about things he feels certain about in his heart and is on the end of a massive Aes Sedai misinformation campaign. 

Then he finally understands, to truly serve the women he loves he has to give it all up and just serve. His journey works really well in direct opposites to Lan who spends his life trying to avoid duty and leadership and finally is forced by the women he loves to accept it and take his place as a leader of men and a king. 

The story could have been told so well, and RJ made an ok start if clunky and unsubtle start with it, but BS just turned him into a emo ki, wrote him awfully, and then tried to artificially manufacture tension and stakes by having the dreamspike almost kill him. He did get a moment in the fight with the Seanchan but that whole relationship with Egwene just existed to prove that Brandon Sanderson is even worse then RJ at writing about relationships between characters in anything other then a highschool way. 

lets please not take what could have been a fantastic tragic arc in the books and blame that on the characters involved, the basis is there for a great mini romantic tradegy the writers just messed up the jump and fluffed the landing.  

he was whiny and emo well before the death of robert jordan.  

The only possible way for anyone to like him is to completely redo his character to make him less whiny and annoying.

23 hours ago, Jsbrads2 said:

Nynaeve is ten times stronger than Egwene???

Yes, about that.  She's almost as powerful as Rand, once her block is overcame.  

2 hours ago, A Memory Of Why said:

 

Maybe, but neither one has visions..

 

Honestly, if I can turn my brain off I'd say it looks cool and I like it. But turning it back on I don't understand, it made sense and would be cool if it was wolf talk, but it doesn't feel like that..

 

Maybe it's due to his connection to TAR? Instead of him having prophetic visions in TAR.. or on top of.. I don't know.

 

I reckon we're going to have some teaching moments coming up soon, we'll see if it gets explained.

Since Rand isn't there to have his "flicker flicker flicker" moment, they put it on Perrin instead and added to the sniffer powers, and combined those powers with the wolfbrother.  it makes sense.  They simply made the sniffer a little more powerful.  Not only do they smell violence, but they can smell how violence was performed.  And their brains process it in the form of a vision of what happened.  

I don't really have an issue with them dropping Hurin's character and merging his role with Elyas.   

I seemed to notice that Hurin had yellow eyes and that Perrin was seeing the same things he saw.  Sodoes this mean that they are merging him with Elias and having sniffer abilities be part of being a wolfbrother, or did I miss something.

I would be more interested if they came out with dice and card sets in the will of times style and rules her all the games.

Maybe a version of go marketed as stones.