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  1. Sorry, Eli Rose! We had people sign up for this game two weeks ago, so we don't have any spots left open. You can follow along and try to figure it out, but non-players aren't allowed to post.
  2. Gawyn Trakand sent the final servant off; the man practically ran from the room, and the look in Gawyn's eyes. No one had been allowed inside the room yet, no one but him. He guarded the place, and the body of his beloved Egwene. His eyes went to the place where she lay on the floor. He hadn't touched anything, wanting to save all the evidence for one of the Aes Sedai to gather. He didn't need to touch her to know she was dead. The emptiness consuming him told him that—a remnant of the broken Bond. "Gawyn," said a cool voice from the door. Gawyn turned to see Sarene Nemdahl, a White Sister, hovering by the entryway. It seemed like she had been selected to lead the investigation, so he nodded and she entered. "I've sent servants to gather all those who have been in contact with Egwene this morning or last evening. They should be here shortly." "Very good," Sarene replied evenly. "I will start gathering evidence before they arrive." She wandered over to the Amyrlin's body and gently flipped her over. Gawyn wanted to look away, but couldn't. He needed to take in all the details, to figure out who did this. Egwene's body lay in the Hall of the Tower, a few paces in front of the circular window that contained a stained glass representation of the Flame of Tar Valon. Or it used to. The window was shattered; the beautiful glass pieces clumped along the floor, though the majority of them had been flung outside by the force that broke it. Her body appeared untouched; no gaping wounds or broken bones. Her eyes looked slightly startled, as if her death had come as a shock. The Amyrlin's Stole lay a few feet away, its threads torn and frayed. A small table and two chairs sat in front of the window, the table's surface decked with tea things. Two cups and two plates, both containing food and drink. There were several cucumber sandwiches left on a central plate, as well as an assortment of tiny cakes, and a tea pot. The sound of footsteps behind him brought his eyes to the doorway. There, the suspects began to shuffle in. He glared at them as they entered, one by one. Once everyone checks in, we will begin Round 1.
  3. Welcome to the White Ajah Winter Festival, Wheel of Time Murder Mystery Game. All of you have received your summons to the Hall of the Tower. You are all suspects; however, we know that all but one of you wants to find the murderer of our beloved Egwene. The Mods Sarene Nemdahl - Rhea Gawyn Trakand - Mashiara Sedai Our word is Law. Just letting you know. The Suspects: Moiraine Damodred - Daruya Siuan Sanche - Misheru Sedai Cadsuane Melaidhrin - Leala Gymorraine Elaida do Avriny a'Roihan - Gudrean Nynaeve al'Meara - Wheeloftime13 Elayne Trakand - Elaevia Rand al'Thor - Christine Mat Cauthon - RandA lThor Logain Ablar - Hallia Galad Damodred - dapianoplay3r Laras, Mistress of the Kitchens - WolfbrotherKronos Egeanin Tamarath - blank One of the above characters killed Egwene. You must question them and gather their statements. They will also show evidence from time to time. If you gather all of the evidence, you will be able to work out who the Murderer is and announce your findings at the end of the game. The Rules 1. ***This is NOT a Mafia Game*** 2. It is a game of discussion, questioning, reasoning, logic, skill and deduction. 3. You cannot lie outright. *Although the Murderer can deny that they are the Murderer if asked directly.* 4. You MUST answer questions if you are asked them. 5. Full participation is required from all players. 6. There will be no hiding away in corners or sneaky lurking. 7. You will be expected to post at least once every RL day. 8. Nobody is going to try and kill you or get you kicked out of the game. Everyone will make it to the end. You just need to identify which one of you is the Murderer by using the evidence and clues. So talk away and post as many Wall'o'Texts as you like 9. You can talk to anyone you like during the game, but do not do any direct quotes from your PM, or let people see any evidence you have before you are supposed to show it. 10. Your Character will be fully revealed and you will even get a special siggy to wear so everyone knows which character you are. 11. Acting in Character is encouraged, but not essential. 12. Shouting, accusing and having a lot of fun is also encouraged. If you have any questions, or would like any clarification of anything during the game, feel free to PM the Mods of post here in the Thread. Now, if you will all find a bench we can begin.
  4. Metal Head, I think Egwene faced that fear when fighting Mesaana, so probably won't happen again. I also think she'd be able to beat it, if it does happen (like all the Wise Ones) because she knows how to embrace the pain. It won't work on her. They won't be able to break her. But everything else sounds likely. Paul, I know a lot of people thought Olver was Gaidal Cain, but Robert Jordan says, "No. I didn't really think that this would last as long as it has. The timing is wrong. He has another reason for being there besides being a red herring, though."
  5. Come check out VERITAS, the White Ajah newsletter! This edition interviews Mashiara Sedai, has a study of the paradox of fiction, recaps the monthly discussion about the generational gap, and highlights all the December festivities within the Social Group! Plus, the White Ajah Winter Carnival is going on RIGHT NOW! Come play in the snow with the White Ajah!
  6. Hi Japboix1, and welcome to the wonderful world of WoT! This question is very difficult to answer. Everyone has different tastes, so what one person calls annoying another calls level-headed. And without going into spoilers, it's even more difficult. If you feel that Egwene's tendency to look down on others is annoying, I personally feel that it doesn't go away very much as the books progress. However, I really enjoy Egwene as a character--faults and all--so someone else might give you a different answer. I'd tell you to brace for more Aes Sedai behavior from her. Her character grows, but some flaws remain. Hope that helps!
  7. You say that now, Jack, but I bet you won't be able to stay away. :P If for some reason you do, best of luck. Thanks for being such an active poster!
  8. Another thing I thought about is what if Aviendha has her children stilled/gentled at their birth. The problem with stilling is that a woman knows about the loss of saidar, and the pain of that loss eventually kills her (unless she can find something else to add meaning to her life). But if you take it away BEFORE they know the wonder of channeling, it couldn't possibly be dangerous. Imagine if Rand had been cut off, even after the first few times he touched saidin. He didn't want to touch it again. If he had been gentled at that time, he wouldn't have died, I don't think. That being said, I'm not sure how much the babies' actual channeling could affect the fate of the Aiel, but it's an interesting though.
  9. There are several instances when the Wise Ones talk about those caught by the Seanchan. In Towers of Midnight, Chapter 21, "An Open Gate", it says: So, there is the idea that the Shaido, and others caught, will willingly meet their toh, though it's a bit unorthodox, but must be released after the year and a day is up. I don't think Tuon will give up any damane, under any circumstances. I think she will agree to not collar more, but that's it. To forestall the war Aviendha has seen, the Aiel must let this go. I don't think there's any other way around it.
  10. That's the point, Mark. Aviendha needs to make them do something impossible--or perhaps Rand does it (one of his nine impossible things?). She sees what they become, and if someone else goes through the ter'angreal and sees the same thing, they will know they have to act. It will hurt their pride for the moment, but it won't destroy them later down the line.
  11. Welcome back to "WoT If?", Dragonmount's weekly theory blog. As you all know, A Memory of Light is just one week away. In preparation for its release, this blog will contain a few of my predictions. But, before we begin: Spoiler warning! This will include content from many books in the series, including Towers of Midnight, and speculation about A Memory of Light. Please read at your own risk. Also, this WILL NOT contain spoilers from A Memory of Light's Prologue, Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 11, or Tor's daily previews. Please refrain from posting any spoilers from A Memory of Light in the comments section. The A Memory of Light pre-release spoiler discussion board can be found here. The A Memory of Light full spoiler discussion board is here. I just finished my Towers of Midnight re-read, and I spent a lot of time thinking about many events that happened in that book; namely, Aviendha's second trip through the glass-column ter'angreal, and Moiraine's rescue from the Finns. We already know Moiraine has important information—after all, Mat gave up his eye "to save the world" (The Shadow Rising, Chapter 15, "Into the Doorway"; Towers of Midnight, Chapter 54, "The Light of the World"). But what of Aviendha's visions of the future—or possible future? Will the knowledge she has arm the Aiel for what is to come? We've talked about the actual visions before and most everyone agreed they showed a possible future, not the future. Honestly, I'm still torn. I could see it going both ways. Obviously, I hope it's only a possibility. I respect the Aiel culture and would hate to see their honor lost so drastically. But the important fact is that Aviendha saw each step that took them down that path. She saw three key events that can be fixed, if she can convince the Aiel to bend a bit of their pride. The Aiel have been left out of the Dragon's Peace, meaning they were not sworn to peace, a reward for their service to Rand. However, this lack of being included leads the Aiel down a very dark road. This is the first part of them going to war against the Seanchan. This part may be easily fixed, if Aviendha convinces Rand to include the Aiel. The next major dispute between the Aiel and the Seanchan is the leashed Wise Ones. This hatred for the Seanchan festers inside the Aiel, growing into something so consuming they are unable to break away from it. Ladalin thinks that, "Her hatred of the invaders ran deep…Perhaps that hatred had destroyed the Aiel" (Towers of Midnight, Chapter 49, "Court of the Sun"). In that same chapter, Aviendha reflects: This may be a bit harder to fix. The Aiel are a proud people. They have so much honor and feel such shame when it is insulted. The Seanchan have insulted them by not letting the Wise Ones go after their year and a day of gai'shain service is up. So, to make peace with the Seanchan, the Aiel will need to let the collared Wise Ones go. They will need to let the insult go, let their hatred go. That won't be very easy for Aviendha to convince the Aiel to do. On top of that, the Aiel still consider battle to bring honor. Padra wants to start a war out of her desire to be like Aviendha. That's terribly ironic. One last thing that Aviendha might try to prevent is Rand bowing to the Seanchan Empress. Oncala's vision shows this exchange between Hehyal, chief of the Taardad, and Talana, Queen of Andor: From this Aviendha knows that if Rand bows before the Empress, the Aiel—and perhaps the other citizens of Randland as well—see him as weaker than the Empress. I think Rand's in a state of mind where he will willingly bow to Tuon, for the greater good, but look at how much harm comes from it later. But how will Rand make an alliance with them without bowing? Here's my crazy theory on this one: Aviendha and the Aiel will bow before the Empress in Rand's place. She knows that so much harm comes from their hatred, their war, their unwillingness to surrender to the Seanchan. She will see that they need to submit. It will be the only way for the Aiel to survive as a people, avoiding the awful visions she saw. And if that's unlikely to happen, here's another possible way to avoid that future: Aviendha will not have Rand's children. Now, before you start getting angry and saying "Min's viewings are always right," remember that Robert Jordan said, "The viewings and prophecies that occurred before the loosening of the Pattern are very valid. But those that occurred at, or after, the loosening have a higher chance of not coming true." Since he said this, I think we will have at least one instance when Min's viewing is wrong. Perhaps more than one. I think it would be very interesting if Elayne winds up with twin girls, instead of a boy and a girl—which would prove Min to be wrong—and Aviendha would then make sure she didn't get pregnant. I think she is strong enough to make that sacrifice for her people, since it is her line that leads to so much trouble. That, mixed with the Aiel surrendering to the Seanchan, can make lasting peace. Moving on… Moiraine had three requests to make of the Eelfinn. She says that one of the requests was to keep the angreal that she and Lanfear brought into their world. What were the other two? She knew she wouldn't be allowed to escape since the doorway melted, so it's unlikely that she asked for that. Could she have asked for her Bond with Lan to be broken? It was necessary for everyone to think she died. If Lan's Bond with her still existed, he would have gone into the other doorway ter'angreal or into the Tower to get her out. That would have resulted in his and her death. She couldn't let that happen, so she needed the Bond annulled. Or did the Bond break because the doorway was destroyed? There were still other connections to the Finns' worlds, so I don't think that could have broken their Bond. I think it's much more likely Moiraine asked for it to be broken as one of her requests. No doubt her last request was for specific knowledge. She has to come out of there with the key to victory because she will somehow save the world. I thought it would be her return that made Rand turn away from the Shadow inside him. But since he had his epiphany without her, her information must be something different. Perhaps she learned how to Heal the Bore? Perhaps she learned what the Dark One's real purpose is—since Verin says Rand's understanding isn't correct? Questions/requests related to the Shadow can have harsh consequences, but she's clever enough to phrase it the right way, I'm sure. Okay, here's a few final predictions. Deaths: While I understand some of our main characters might die, I can't predict a single one. There is too much foreshadowing of events that take place past the Last Battle. The most popular character to die, I think, will be Birgitte. After that, I can see Gawyn dying, but I still think it unlikely. I think the Aiel will suffer very heavy casualties. They have a prophecy that says, "He shall spill out the blood of those who call themselves Aiel as water on sand, and he shall break them as dried twigs, yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and they shall live" (The Shadow Rising, Chapter 34, "He Who Comes With the Dawn"). Remember one of Min's first visions of Rand? She says she sees, "you [Rand] pouring water on sand" (The Eye of the World, Chapter 15, "Strangers and Friends"). Notice the similar wording? Perhaps that's a metaphor for the Aiel and their sacrifice in the Last Battle. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if every major Aiel character (Amys, Rhuarc, Sorilea, Bair, etc.) all die. Melaine will have her babies—unless that vision fails as well—so she might be safe until after the battle. All the Forsaken will die. Even if one does wind up returning to the Light, it will be done in a sacrificial way, giving up their life for the Light to win. Out of all those who can turn, I think it likely to be Moridin. Slayer and Fain will die. Slayer by Perrin. Fain by Rand. There's too much buildup between those pairs, too much narrative debt. I think Cadsuane will die. She thinks in The Gathering Storm, that, "Over two centuries ago, she'd sworn to herself that she'd live to attend the Last Battle, no matter how long that took" (Chapter 5, "A Tale of Blood"). Notice how she never swears to live after the battle. I think that could be an ironic way of handling the situation. She lives to attend the Last Battle, but dies during it. Other resolutions: Perrin and Faile will take over the throne of Saldaea. Mat and Tuon will settle the Seanchan around Altara; after the Dragon's Peace, they will not seek to conquer any more land this side of the ocean. Perhaps Setalle Anan can help with this; if she is Healed and is Aes Sedai again, Tuon will see that Aes Sedai are not evil creatures. Tuon will keep the damane they currently have, but not capture any more. Nynaeve will become Elayne's Aes Sedai advisor ("If she had her way, Nynaeve al’Meara was going to be the Aes Sedai advisor to the next Queen of Andor" (Winter's Heart, Prologue)). Malkier is beyond saving, so she and Lan will live in Andor instead. Egwene will continue as Amyrlin. Galad will merge the Whitecloaks into Mayene's forces, becoming an independent group, but still tied to the Winged Guards. Galad and Berelain will get married and become good friends with Faile and Perrin. Galad's blood relationship to Rand won't play any part during or after the battle. As mentioned above, the Aiel will bow their pride, accept the collared Wise Ones as lost, refrain from devotion to battle—not necessarily take up the Way of the Leaf, but become more peaceful—and live in the Wetlands. With their toh met, they can mold their culture into something better than what they were before. They won't be Aiel anymore, or even Jenn Aiel. As the prophecy said, only a "remnant of a remnant" would be saved (The Shadow Rising, Chapter 34, "He Who Comes With the Dawn"); only a few will stick to their warrior ways, most likely the Shaido hiding in the Waste. Though their losses during the Last Battle will be great, those who live will adapt to their new life. There's also several mentions in the prophecies of the Dragon's blood saving men from the Shadow. Though the word "blood" is never capitalized, it could still be used metaphorically. Could it also be a reference to the Aiel? In Aviendha's trip through the glass columns, one of the visions talks of "Dragon Blooded" Aiel (Towers of Midnight, Chapter 49, "Court of the Sun") which seem to be male channelers, from the context. Though I'm not a huge fan of it, I think the body-swap theory will most likely be the reason why Rand will survive. He and Moridin will flip bodies—perhaps Moridin doing so willingly, giving up his life for the Light to win. Rand's body will die; his soul living on in Moridin. That is the reason Aviendha's children can have dark hair "after their wetlander side" (Towers of Midnight, Chapter 49, "Court of the Sun"). Rand is Andoran royal blood and Aiel blood—both of which have red-gold hair. Moridin, however, has "hair black as night" (A Crown of Swords, Chapter 41, "A Crown of Swords"). With Rand's physical body dead, and his literal blood falling on the ground, he can complete whatever task he needs to seal up the Dark One for good. Everyone will think him dead—that way he can live on in peace with his three women. He will settle in Caemlyn; Aviendha and Min will live there too. But maybe Moridin's body is too tainted by the True Power by this point, so his life won't last that much longer. I really hope all our main characters have lives that are somewhat happy after the Last Battle. As much as they've given to the world, I'd like to see them receive something back. Rand has sacrificed so much for others—the Wheel and the Pattern need to acknowledge how much he's done and give him some happiness. One more week, and we'll know. Thanks for reading, everyone. We won't have any new theory blogs until March of 2013. But when we come back, we'll have full A Memory of Light spoilers! Hope to see you then!
  12. That's fine, Nolder. I hope everything is okay! I'll bump Christine into your spot. I hope you'll still follow along.
  13. Yes, the thread will be on the Tar Valon board so everyone can access it. The only rule is that non-players can't post in the thread, but your more than welcome to follow along!
  14. I think Cadsuane is too obvious as a darkfriend. If it happened, everyone would say, "that makes sense," so there's no real surprise. Therefore, I think she's probably not a darkfriend. Ebou Dar as the halls of mourning makes so much sense! And I think it's implied Mat is going back to Toun, so he'll be walking those halls shortly. The Broken Wolf... could be Hopper. Death has known him. Would that mean that if a wolf dies in Tel'aran'hriod, they don't die permanently (like Hopper thinks) but they turn into Darkhounds? Or more clearly, if they die in the dream, the DO can access their souls and turn them into Darkhounds. I can see your logic for Perrin dying, but I really don't think any of the main characters will die. I wrote this blog explaining why I think Perrin will live. Lots of good thoughts there, jsimpkins!
  15. Too much on my plate in the WT. But thanks for the invite. :D It was a fun game! I'm so glad I was able to play, even if I'm not in the SG. Thanks Rand and Thorkin!
  16. Which Warder? Here's a list of Warders. Which one doesn't belong? Jahar Roshan Avar Bartol Fen Elyas PM me with your answer. Any guess is worth 1 point. A correct guess is worth 2! This concludes DAES DAE'MAR. Join us next month for another edition!
  17. Due to the hecticness around the Holidays, this will include December and January's Featured Threads: December Warders: Instead of sword forms, the Warders are studying paintball tactics. Blue: Daruya got the Blues to be festive by starting a "12 Days of Chirstmas" post, Wheel of Time style. Brown: For the Brown's Nobel Prize Week, Raena detailed all the awards given out and who received them in 2012. Gray: The Gray's monthly discussion was about homemade gifts for the holidays. Green: Brandie wants to know everyone's character crushes! Red: Continuing the holiday theme, the Reds started a topic on holiday traditions. White: In the White Ajah, Senexx shared an Australian Christmas Song: "Six White Boomers." Yellow: In the Sunflower Café, during the month of December everyone talked about dying their hair. January: Warders: The Warders celebrated the little-known deity, Morgan Freeman. Blue: Daruya shared her Wheel of Time journey, and what the ending of the series meant to her. Brown: Once again, the Brown Ajah is hosting their annual Book Challenge! This thread is for discussion, not recording your lists. Gray: The crafty Grays searched for details to the perfect Aes Sedai shawl. Green: The yearly Bonding discussion was kicked off in the Green's quarters. Red: Taltos started a poetry thread. There's a lot of great poem here! White: For the Winter Carnival, there was a discussion on favorite WoT nations. Yellow: The Sunflower Cafe was all abuzz with the anticipation for A Memory of Light.
  18. WoT IRL Looks like we aren't in Randland anymore: White Towers Around the World This White Tower, the vellai gopuram, is a temple in Srirangam, India. London's White Tower is quite well known, and over 900 years old. The White Tower in Thessaloniki, once called the "Tower of Blood" or "Red Tower," was whitewashed in 1912 and renamed the White Tower. According to the Baltimore Sun, the White Tower restaurant had many locations (this one is on Erdman Avenue in East Baltimore).
  19. Cover art by rmboye Welcome to DAES DAE'MAR, the White Tower and Warder Social Group's monthly newsletter! This month's features include: WoT IRL Featured Threads Which Warder?
  20. Sure thing, Gudrean! That fills all the spots. If anyone is still interesting, I'll take one or two back-up players.
  21. Congrats Metal Head! I was a Storm Leader, and to this day, it was one of the best experience of my life. I actually got to sit beside Brandon Sanderson and share a meal with him. INCREDIBLE! I hope it's an all around pleasant experience for you. For the longest time I thought Alivia had to be one of the female forsaken in disguise, but none of them logically fit. So, that's out. If she was a high up darkfriend--like Taim--I think Cyndane would have recognized her, or at least known of her, and her presence with Rand's group. Perhaps she is some important Seanchan official; she had the blood of Hawkwing inside her which made her able to shake free from her captivity when it was presented. It's possible. But I'm still leaning towards her being evil in some way, or in the very least, serving the will of the sul'dam still.
  22. Hi Nolder! Of course you can play if you're not a WT member. The game will be on the main Tar Valon board--which everyone should have access to. This is not a mafia game. Rather it's a game of deduction and logic. Each player is given a character (which you don't need to roleplay; that's optional). Each character is a likely suspect in Egwene's murder, so the point of the game is to gather clues, put them together, and solve the murder. New information will be revealed each round, so the further into the game, the more narrow your suspicions become. None of the players are eliminated; everyone makes it to the end. After the final round, everyone votes on who the culprit is. It should be quite fun; I hope you join in!
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