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Mashiara Sedai

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  1. How sure was Lews Therin that he would be reborn as the next Age's Hero? It seems all the inhabitants of the world realize time is circular, but I don't think Lews Therin would assume his soul would be reborn and save humanity. Ishamael insisted it was always he and the Dragon fighting, but even the other Forsaken didn't listen to his philosophical ideas. I bet Lews Therin assumed, when he was reborn again, that he'd be just a regular person, normal and not destined for anything great. That may be one of the reasons Rand has so much trouble reconciling with his past memories. As far as the seals go, I think Lews Therin knew it would be harder to get the alignment right without saidar too, but he was so set on saving the world, he went ahead anyway. There could be no way to anticipate the backlash of the taint. He went in with the mindset of winning and just failed horribly.
  2. Grrr. With DL looming, I'm going to work and won't gave another chance to check in. I really don't like this, but since Razen has the most votes... vote Razen[/color=red]
  3. That doesn't change the fact that he was acting weird and inconsistent. The whole point is to look for these types of things, right?
  4. Also, I've got a sudden distrust for anyone who claims to be anything now. Role hinting now? Don't take it personally, all newbies need a little of this to get them started learning the rules. I got attacked up and down by Mynd my first game. It made me a better player. That puts Mish on the top of my list.
  5. Thin reasons? How so? I think I found at least three really significant things that screamed scum. Maybe he was a new player, too. But most everybody though Niel was suspicious. How was this about Razen? I was just pointing out that my suspicions of Niel were well grounded, not thin.
  6. Wasn't Arez replaced after the first 24 hours of playing? If he had continued to not be active, then maybe. But Niel was constantly not paying attention. He missed Basel's post about not having finished the books, he said he would rather just read a summary instead of going through everyone's posts, he said he was voting for me because he was lazy, and his posts never seemed to have any real meat to them. He didn't have any real interest in finding out who the scum are. In a game where that's the main point, that's really, really suspicious. You may have been quiet, a lot of people have, but you still had points to make. There's a big difference between paying attention and being quiet and not paying attention and being quiet.
  7. Thin reasons? How so? I think I found at least three really significant things that screamed scum. Maybe he was a new player, too. But most everybody though Niel was suspicious.
  8. Very interesting, Aielyn! I like that theory. I think it makes sense, from the knowledge we have in the books. As for Aginor getting young, here's an interview that answers that. "I asked him about Aginor getting younger at the end of The Eye of the World, and he said 'no, he doesn't get younger, he dies'. So I actually looked up the reference and read it to him. He said 'oh, that,' and then went on to explain that it is actually the True Power, not the saidin from the Eye, that rejuvenates him. He did describe the saidin in the Eye as a 'mother-lode', however, I didn't think to ask him what he meant by that until I was in the car going home. I instead asked him whether the True Power was the source of the Forsaken's immortality. He said: yes."
  9. Gah, this should be: Mashiara - Another one who never stopped doubting WoT13's claim and even voted her after her reveal. Also, NO words/thoughts/other reaction after Ishy revealed, Mashi just hammered him. She's right at the top of my list right now. I'm not the only one who doubted WoT's claim. Also... Even though you argue against it: First was Sunrise/Ironeyes, who claimed mason, then outed Tamerya as mason too. Next came Nyanna, the cop. Then came Ishy as Snape. Finally, WoT said she was Hermione. That was a confession overload. I agree with Katiora that someone was lying. As I said previous, I didn't have real doubts about Ishy. He could have been scum, and maybe not. WoT's actions and her claim was what stood out to me. It could have been very easy for someone who is scum to claim someone most assume would be important, then wait for the counter argue "You can't be __, I'm __!" and NK that person. I don't think that's thinking outside the box at all. As for Ishy, what kind of reaction am I supposed to have? There was only a little doubt whether Snape would be considered town or mafia, but that could have gone either way, and I wasn't going to base my claim on something so weak, knowing you guys would jump down my throat if I didn't have a good explination.
  10. I'm going to agree with Gwenifer; Rand is pretty crazy. Whether it be from the pressure forced on him or his touching the taint on saidin, I'm not sure. But I do feel he was out of his mind in the last few books. Remember when he lashed out at Tam, his own father? That's crazy. Paranoia is a form of mental illness too, so... Since we know certain Heroes are "bound" to the Horn for their acts of bravery and courage, I don't think any Darkheroes could exist. Typically, Darkfriends aren't very courageous.
  11. The prophesies, according to Vandene, have no link between the Horn and the Dragon. She says, "Except for the fact that the Horn must be found before Tarmon Gai'don and that the Dragon Reborn is supposed to fight the Last Battle, there is no link between them at all" (The Great Hunt, Chapter 22, "Watchers") It never says Rand is supposed to be the one to sound it, Moiraine only thinks he will be. And, as I pointed out, Moiraine is often wrong. :) The veins of gold in "Veins of Gold" is, in my opinion, a reference to the feeling of love received through the bond. When Elayne, Min, and Aviendha first bond Rand, Aviendha says, "The veins of gold. Oh, the veins of gold. You do love me, Rand" (Winter's Heart, Chapter 12, "A Lily in Winter"). Rand realizing he had a second chance, that he had love throughout the countless ages, is what brings him back to sanity. That's what I thought the chapter title referred to.
  12. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to "WoT If?". This will be the start of a two part look at the events that happened in the conclusion of The Eye of the World. There are a few things that are a little fuzzy and unexplained at the end, plus a lot of things that might come full circle in A Memory of Light. Spoiler warning! This will include content from many books in the series, including Towers of Midnight, and speculation about A Memory of Light. Please read at your own risk. First off, what is the Eye of the World? We get a description of what it actually is near the end of the first book. Moiraine says: From this description, it seems as if the Aes Sedai during the Age of Legends cleansed just this little bit of the Source, the same way Rand cleansed all of it in Winter's Heart. They worked together, and through the taint, to make this pool of pure saidin. But, pay attention to that last sentence. Moiraine believes that the Eye can seal the Bore, or it can break it open. In fact, she says multiple times that the Eye might be able to seal in/break free the Dark One. Here, Moiraine suggests that the Eye can undo the Dark One's prison. We know that the One Power can't break cuendillar, but Moiraine is saying it can. Rand also has plans to break the remaining seals. But how is this possible? The seals have weakened, yes, but can the Power in the Eye really break cuendillar, no matter how old? Maybe so. Moiraine makes a comment that "four men with hammers" can break the remaining seals and free the Dark One (The Fires of Heaven, Chapter 2, "Rhuidean"). However, they don't know this information during The Eye of the World, so she shouldn't be assuming the Eye, and saidin, can break the Dark One free. Also, Moiraine and Lord Agelmar have a discussion that hints at the Eye's power. According to this, Moiraine thinks that Rand using the Eye will seal the Dark One again, solving all their problems. Okay, okay. She does use the word "perhaps," which is Aes Sedai doublespeak. However, she seems to have a lot of confidence that the Eye's power will be glorious. When Rand does use the Eye, he doesn't do anything even close to sealing in the Dark One—he does believe he killed Shai'tan, but Moiraine and others don't believe it. If there was so much potential in the Eye, did Rand waste it? Was it used for a purpose other than for what it was initially intended? We'll speculate on that a bit later. So, we know the Eye is a pool of saidin, made clean by the sacrifice of male and female Aes Sedai. We know a bit of its presumed power. But that doesn't tell us a thing. There are several theories about what the Eye actually is, or rather, what it does to Rand. Here's three that might work. First: the Eye of the World, with its pure Power, is the Creator. That is, the Creator is the One Power. This seems plausible on the surface. We typically think of channeling and channelers as doing the Creator's work. The True Source is, after all, the power that drives the Wheel of Time and weaves the Pattern. The Creator made the Pattern, so it seems logical that the Creator is the One Power. However, in an interview, a fan asks Robert Jordan something that might say the opposite: There are two pieces of information here, but let's focus on the Dark One not being purely True Power. If the Dark One isn't the True Power, then I don't think the Creator can be the One Power. It's likely that the One Power comes from the Creator—like True Power comes from the Dark One—but they are two separate forces/energies/beings. The second part of that answer talks about the ALL CAPS voice Rand hears in his head after he accidently Travels to Tarwin's Gap. We'll get to that in next week's post, so just put it on hold for now. Second: the Eye of the World is just a pool of saidin intended to hide the Dragon Banner and the Horn of Valere. Those artifacts are indeed important to the next book. Without both of them, Rand could not have beaten Ishamael in the sky above Falme. Also, the Heroes of the Horn wouldn't have helped Rand unless he had the Dragon Banner too. Artur Hawkwing says: Hawkwing implies that this was the way the Pattern wanted it. Since the Heroes seem to have quite a bit of knowledge about certain things while they wait in Tel'aran'rhiod, we can be pretty sure he knows what he's talking about. It's also interesting to note that Hawkwing says they will only follow the banner and the Dragon. We had other sources earlier in The Great Hunt say that the Heroes will fight for whichever side blows the Horn. Is this another thing Aes Sedai don't really know the truth about, or is this particular moment in the Pattern something that needs to be specifically set? So, the Banner and the Horn are terribly important for the forward movement of the characters and the world. But would so many Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends sacrifice themselves for this? Possibly. Rand needed those items, and the world would have died if he didn't have them. Could the Eye be just an elaborate hidey-hole? If that were true, and the Eye is just an insignificant pool of saidin, why is Aginor so keen on using it? Robert Jordan was asked that very question in an interview: This quote seems to imply that Aginor only wanted the Eye for the extra bit of Power, and a way to channel unobserved. Makes it sound kind of pointless, huh? Third: the Eye of the World is a link to Rand's past lives and memories. Drekka Mort posted on the Dragonmount forums: This is an interesting theory. One of the main reasons I would believe this is because it takes absolutely no outside source for Rand to remember all his past lives in "Veins of Gold" (The Gathering Storm, Chapter 50). The memories were inside him the whole time; it only took Rand's acceptance to open them all up. From this, I would say that the Eye stayed with Rand even after all its Power was used up. It's something that went into his skin, into his bones, into his soul. Some evidence that this might be correct comes from an interview with Brandon Sanderson: From this, we can gather that Rand still has access to the Power of the Eye, since he can still channel Light and Power. In Towers of Midnight, Naeff is the one who notes Rand's incredible abilities: After accepting his memories in "Veins of Gold," Rand's madness seems to leave him completely. When Nynaeve Delves into Rand's mind she sees something odd: A liquid Power. Like the Eye? Most likely, I'd say. How did it get there? Probably from when Rand first used the Eye. It could have stayed with him, flowing in him, without him knowing. It laid dormant until he was able to reconcile his present life with his past lives. So, if there's a link still there between himself and the Eye, can the Eye's Power be refilled? Well, that's a good place to stop for today. Next week we'll delve (no pun intended) a little deeper into who that ALL CAPS voice might be.
  13. This was exactly my point. Now, I'm going to point out that many people have jumped on others for not having a good reason to vote for someone. Lots were piling on Ishy and WoT. Of the two, I only had logic for WoT. If I had voted for Ishy, and didn't have a claim to back up my accusation, then I'd be suspicious too. So, let me, once again, say why I thought WoT was acting the scummiest out of everyone we voted for yesterday. First, she was so close to getting lynched on our initial joke votes. She was saved by a noobie mistake by Sunrise. That first day, she said some iffy things, but most agreed it was just that she was a beginner. Okay, I'm fine with that. But then the next day, with Sunrise/Ironeyes in the clear, she gets brought up again. I started out voting for Neil, who is STILL acting suspicious, but when it turned into another split decision, I could recall several things WoT said that sounded off. I think I've only said that once about something Ishy and Basel were talking about. I'm not the only who who has noticed this about WoT, either. And it's only when she started getting more votes, she claimed to be a important role. To me, this was inconsistent. She said that she didn't know she could reveal herself the first day, but when you're so close to getting killed, wouldn't you look up on the wiki things you could do, or have some other sort of idea? I mean, if you're going to get killed, revealing yourself wouldn't hurt anything. Then Ishy went all noble, and like so many others, I changed my vote to him. I didn't want his self-sacrifice to go in vain, even though I really did think WoT was the more suspicious of the two. And you'll notice that others who voted for WoT didn't change their vote until after Ishy told us to vote him.
  14. Good point! They do need to link in order to channel through the Myrddraal. So, only 12 men and 1 woman, or any mix with fewer men would work.
  15. This game is confusing! Ishy, your nobility has been counted. Unvote WoT Vote Ishy
  16. All I'm trying to point out is that WoT's bahavior has been very inconsistant. I'm a new player too, and I agree it's difficult, but sometimes scum is scum, right? And of course I want a lynch. It's been grilled into us that a random kill is bad. I'm still suspicious of Niel, who "is just lazy" but he's not getting votes right now. Rather than follow my hunch, I'll agree that WoT has been acting scummy (though Ishy did say some suspicious stuff too). Either way, I'm sticking with WoT. Vote WoT
  17. With everyone "claiming" town today, I think some reveals are FALSE! It seems too convienient that everyone suspected has revealed themselves as town. Everyone jumped on WoT that first day. How come she didn't reveal then? She was *this close* to being lynched, but now we have a dramatic reveal. I'm not buying it! Unvote Niel. Vote WoT.[/color=red]
  18. *eyes boggle* This just got very confusing... *thinks a lot* Okay, okay. Unvote Nyanna. Vote Niel.
  19. Ishy, if you are town, this is hilariously ironic. Of course, if you're scum, this is scummy. But I'd been leaning toward you as town, so I will choose to find it amusing. This exchange comes off as weird... Basel and Ishy both sound up to something. I'm on vacation ... A likely excuse. WIFOM! Haha, I'm so proud that I've learned something :P Also, supicious Basel for stepping in and saying Ishy is town after I suspect Ishy <.< Gah! I'm seeing Myrdraals everywhere. I agree with Mish, this is getting a little too scummy. Nyanna uses WIFOM tactics, and it makes me suspicious. Coming from Basel and Ishy is very suspicious because they claim to be seasoned players. Nyanna's still got my vote for today, but there are others to look at.
  20. LAZY. The whole point of playing is to read what people say for yourself and then decide if they are scummy or not. Niel doesn't seem to concerned with finding out who the scum is... perhaps because he already knows?
  21. This, this exactly is what you do: That's boring, because I don't drink. Rather, let's talk about which Zelda dungeons/temples are the hardest to beat. I HATE the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. It kicked my butt. And, be careful, Mish! ~Mashi I always HATED the water temple.... Though I didn't love the temple out in the desert either... Oooo that makes me wanna play Zelda soooooo bad *sighs* The desert temple wasn't nearly as bad as the water temple. I bought Ocarina of Time for my 3DS and stopped playing as soon as I got to the water temple. The blasted thing just makes me SO angry! I was stuck on it for DAYS when I played it the first time. It never occurred to me to try to go underwater in the building in the middle. And since it was released in 1998, I didn't have computer access to find a FAQ--of one even existed at that time. Completely ruined my love of that particular game. Wind Waker is better, anyway.
  22. This, this exactly is what you do: That's boring, because I don't drink. Rather, let's talk about which Zelda dungeons/temples are the hardest to beat. I HATE the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. It kicked my butt. And, be careful, Mish! ~Mashi
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