Callandor=The Ring

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Oh, and I just found this:

It was not that he disliked being bedded by Tylin, aside from the fact she was a queen, as snooty as any other noblewoman. And the fact that she made him feel like a mouse that had been made a pet by a cat. But there were only so many hours of daylight, if more than he was used to back home in winter, and for a bit he had to wonder whether she meant to consume all of them.

I believe that Mat's primary concern was that 'he' was supposed to do the 'chasing.' I'm not justifying Tylin here- I'm just pointing out another aspect of this scenario.

And I still do find the scenes amusing- primarily due to Mat's reactions and attempts to avoid her. Perhaps the reason why they seem funny lies in Mat's general character of chasing women, and getting the somewhat opposite done to him, which he eventually accepts.

I have a metal picture of how someone would react after rape, and Mat is not like that. He made a promise to Rand, Elayne etc etc... but do you honestly think that Mat could not have avoided Tylin if he truly wanted to?

And also, I doubt Tylin held the dagger in her hand during the entire....procedure...which means that Mat must have had ample opportunity to escape.

The fact remains that Mat wasn't 100% non-consensual. He didn't really mind after a while.

If he'd been kicking and screaming and fled the palace, then I'd think differently.

Besides, an unwilling man theoretically cannot be raped, I guess.

(PG-13 everyone).

Where would you rate their scenes for sheer amusement? I'd give a 9 out of 10. They are really the most hilarious moments in the WOT.

At the end of the Dragon Reborn Mat asks Moiraine who the People of the Dragon are, and she says she doesn't know, that maybe they all are, and Rhuarc reveals the secret name of the Aiel.

 

But Moiraine should have guessed this long since. It's not hard.

Okay got it. But she did guess approximately half a second before Rhuarc said the words so she must get some credit!!

 

If your looking for Moiraine's stupidity, try the People of the Dragon. The only race to have recently come to the Stone of Tear for the first time are the Aiel, which, coincidently happen to be Rand's people by blood--not to mention Someshta naming Rand a child of the Dragon based on his looks.

 

Somehow, i think she should have figured it out, even without knowing the Aiel's historical name.

Er, could you clarify that? Moiraine knows that Rand is the DR by the end of Book 1. I believe that the first Aiel are seen in Book 2 or 3?

Also, the DO expressed interest in all 3 so it would have been wise to carry all 3 off to Tar Valon.

He was bare-chested, in a bedroom. Thats enough concidering his upbringing.

Considering his upbringing, yes I must agree there

Hmm. Then I'm not sure why Rand was embaressed to be seen only in his breeches when Berelain entered his room in Book 4. That is what intially prompted me to wonder whethey they were actually underwear (which would be embaressing)...

This has been on my mind lately.

Are breeches the euqivalent of trousers or underwear? In the WoT they sometimes seem to be trousers-like and sometimes underwear-like. Curious question I guess......

Why it doesn't occur to any of them to use that Technicolor Ta'veren Telepathy for something useful is the question.

Medieval video conferencing. :D

Mat carries the wolfhead that no Aes Sedai has ever seen or heard of.

???

'Tis Perrin, my lad.

I think he would use his memories for good eventually but Rand could not wait.

He is doing so already.

But without that scene where Rand explained to Mat about his need for Mat's memories, I very much doubt that Mat would have much of a storyline now at all. He wouldn't have wanted to get mixed up with the Dragon Reborn. After all, saving the world is the job of the Dragon, right? Rand is the bloody DR, it has nothing to do with him... etc etc...thats what he thought.

Without Rand's confrontation, he would very likely not have taken charge as he did. 8)

Mat annoyed me in the first half of the series as well, but after he was hanged in book 5 he changed and I started liking him.  By the time I finished KoD I loved him

Actually he was hanged in Book 4 and he was much the same afterwards. He even tried to escape Rand yet again in book 5. The changes came about at the end of Book 5 when Rand confronted him and told him how much he needed all the stuff in Rand's head. Mat takes on responsibility in Book 6 and onwards. ;D

I got weary of Mat running from his fate REPEATEDLY in the first half of the series but his overall personality is great.

I do like Min though. Ignoring the usual female dominance, she is an interesting character otherwise. Very helpful to Rand too.  ;)

AS generally forsake all relations. The Amyrlin Seat having a sister may be too much for the other AS to stomach especially because first sisters are really really close.

And the opportunity will likely not present itself.

As for R/M/P, they are not Aiel so they will not consider such a process even necessary. Elayne did it partly to satisfy Aviendha. Would Elayne and Egwene need to do the process? No because they are both wetlanders and know that the Aiel ceremony is not exactly necessary,

It's likely to be a boxed two ( or more ) volume set.  Take a wheelbarrow to the store.

 

Pricey, too.

After all this waiting I am prepared to face any price short of $ 100.

Wheelbarrow? I was intending to hire a forklifter.....

I doubt there is time at all for this in AMOL. I mean, it should be possible to lift the book down from the shelf without someone else's support after all.

;D

The one thing I can't forgive Faile for is tricking Loial, the Ogier manipulate no one.  Just like I never forgive Gawyn for killing Hammar and Coulin.

Exactly. In my culture, respect should be given first to your parents, then to your tutors and then to God. Gawyn did not have to kill his tutors. He had insufficient knowledge of what as happening. It-is-unforgivable.

He SO needs to be cast into prison.

PS; Yet another 'fantasy coincidence' :Hammar and Coulin were both very experienced fighers and yet a fighter-in-training manages to kill them. Absurd. RJ ought to have taken a leaf out of GG Martin's book.

Giving up the Way would have been extremely difficult to the Da'shain-whatever the reason. That is most easily seen where the Aiel leave the AS after the AS talk to the Green Man where they tell the Aiel to keep the Way and the Aiel is shocked that they would even ask that. It is their belief. Without the Way they are not Aiel. Would they give that up to become AS? I am more inclined to think that, as Majsju suggested, they would seek arts that do not require them to give up the Way.

Everything we know of Lewis Therin implies he was not a follower of the way of the leaf.

 

Which brings up an interesting question: Since we know that Aiel were tested for the ability to channel during the War of the Shadow, did they have to give up the Way in order to become Aes Sedai?

An interesting question. Likely nobody can answer that for sure but it would not be necessary. If the Aiel Aes Sedai chose to do research etc and not be actively involved in any fighting they would not have to give up the Way. There were no Ajahs in the Age of Legends, I believe.

Of course this severely restricts their lives.

Lanfear's comment has to refer to a specific sa'angreal-not to an access key.

This is under discussion in another thread currently. There most of us decided (somewhat) that the other sa'angreal is likely lost or destroyed.

Finding the second access key to the female Choeden Kal has no use now since the Choden Kal itself has been destroyed.

sorry that;s what i meant to say. wrong choice of wording.

Either way, saidar was over-used.

Theoretically, saidar is not doing any work in keeping saidin compressed. Saidin compressed itself due to the opposing push of saidar. Rather like north pole and north pole. One could say that Rand was forcing them into close proximity but then both are doing an equal amount of work in preventing each other from touching. They are repelling each other.

 

I disagree, equal repulsion would cause saidar to pull out. In order for saidin to have been compressed saidar would have been forced to hold firm against the repulsion--indeed, constrict in spite of it. This is the strain that caused the female sa'angreal to melt.

I see it now. Saidar would have needed additional effort to keep itself in the form of a conduit-while saidin was merely within the conduit and needed no further work.

In that case, it is acceptable that saidar was used much more than saidin. (interesting isn't it, considering that he was actually trying to cleanse saidin but depended very heavily on saidar for it!)

Does anyone know the nature of the saidin that was within the conduit? I think we can agree that saidin itself did not enter S Logoth, as Bob stated earlier. Hence was the quantity of saidin in the conduit fixed and non-moving with only the taint continuously moving into SL ?