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  1. 2 hours ago, Rose said:

    Well, I think it's important in our world because we live in a world that is sharply divided along racial lines, in which racism has created deep wounds that are causing a lot of pain to a lot of people.

    And yet, that mostly applies to america. Other countries with a different hystory are not so sharply divided, and they pay much less attention to those topics. It also goes by demographics.

    This is what I meant with my (perhaps obscure) comment: most of those complaining about "race lift" are probably americans of political far right views. We can tell that the "world they live in" is permeated with mild racism and bigotry, and it shows in what they care about and the distinctions they make.

    I'd be surprised if there were many europeans in that group, as in europe the "racial lines" are not a strong division (though of course we have those kind of people in europe too)

     

    And the same goes for those who strongly support the casting of black people: members of minorities that see themselves as downtrodden, human right activists, people with left wing ideas, generally people who feel the impact of the "racial lines" and are especially opposed to them.

     

    people who are not touched by the issue won't give a damn about the exact skin color of the actors. Probably because they live in a social context where racism is not an issue, and they only learn of it through the news. Personally, I didn't even notice that the actors were supposed to be black until i started reading forums and i saw all the stink that was being made about it.

     

    also, the problem of hypervisibility is strongly related to media attention. there are a number of issues in our society, at some point the media focus on one of them and suddenly it becomes super important, and everyone will notice it, and people will become polarized in opposite views.

    And fiction will focus on it, whatever it is. We depict strange cultures and alien civilizations, but they all tend to subscribe to our values.

    50 years ago we wrote sci-fi with futuristic settings where everyone was white and the women would stay in the cyber-kitchen. Unless it was a society ruled by women, which was the same thing as the other one, but with genders swapped. And every alien civilization would be a democracy, and they'll probably have a monotheistic religion, unless the book was written in the soviet block, then they'd be communists and atheists. But works written in more ancient times (not that there's many of them) are more likely to have kings instead.

    Now we are struggling for equality against racism and sexism, and suddenly we imagine ancient societies full of powerful, emancipated women, with nobody giving a damn about race or religion.

     

    And most of us don't even think about that. we just take the culture for granted. which is perhaps the source of disconnect when it doesn't align to our sensibilities.

     

    I'd like to end with some poignant conclusions, but really, I am just rambling about the connections between the stories we tell ourselves and our cultures. i find them interesting to notice, though.

  2. 9 hours ago, DaddyFinn said:

    In this video's comments:

     

     

     

    Everyone has their right to express opinions but some of that is just blatantly false. Annoys the heck out of me.

    it is a well-known fact that people persuaded of an opinion will try to latch to proof of that opinion, and be more disregardful of other evidence.

    I want to enjoy this show and i am focusing on the positive, but those who don't are focusing on the negative.

  3. i really can't tell if he has a mustache or if it is a play of the shadow in the image.

    if it is not a mustache, perhaps they thought the image would not fit with a younger thom.

     

    from the material I've seen so far, I got the impression that they put enough care into details, and that when they changed stuff they generally had good reasons. I'll wait and see the overall effect

  4. i always imagined thom as between 50 and 60. older than that, he would be much less believable.

     

    aside from that, making a character 10 years younger is not a big deal, not as much as 20 years younger.

     

    I don't see what was wrong with the patched cloak, though. it was just a mark of trade.

  5. the new image of the whitecloacks has the sunburn on the shoulder visible. i also like that the hem of their cloth is dirty, there's no way you can keep that pristine white on the field. in the other shot we get of them, they were clean; perhaps they just rested in a city and they had a chance to do laundry, while here they've been on the move for a while.

     

    we also get the scene of rand arriving to emond field with his wounded father, and this pairs with one scene on the bts showing a door bursting which is most likely the attack of winternight. this time rand put his father on bela instead of making a litter and carrying it himself, but it's not an important change; i assume they've done it because it's faster to show this way.

     

    all in all, the size of the show and the attention to details is very reassuring. the only fear i have is that game of thrones was equally well funded and staffed, and it still turned bad in the later seasons.

  6. 42 minutes ago, TheMountain said:

    Not a lot of budget allocated to the Whitecloak Armor I see 😞

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    24 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

    Be careful about drawing sweeping conclusions from snippets. They aren’t wearing armor in this scene. That doesn’t mean that they never wear it. 

    they ARE wearing armor. If you see underneath the tabard, it is bulging with the shape of armor. the second guy from the left, look at his shoulders, if that's not a breastplate underneath the tabard I don't know what it is. And the guy in the front, his left arm with all the laminar segments. Either they are wearing armor under the clothes, or they have a very good imitation.

     

    Now, armor is hot, and wearing cloth over the armor will be impractical, will make you tire faster during combat. that white must also be a nightmare to keep clean on the field. But the children of the ligth are known for being impractical, so I see nothing wrong there.

     

    the only thing missing is the golden sunburst on the chest, aside from that i can't think of any description they contradict

  7. 27 minutes ago, Skipp said:

     

    Isn't this exactly what Alsbet Luhhan is said to have done?

    i was going to mention it, but alsbeth luhhan is said to be even bigger than her husband. and a pot with a long handle is a pretty effective bludgeoning weapon. A solid blow on the head with one is going to take down any men, and probably even a horse.

    If they show that scene right, it won't cheaper the trollocs. Same goes for other examples of the villagers resisting; for example they could show someone skewering a trolloc on a pitchfork, or bringing out a longbow and pincushion a few. Even stabbing one with a kitchen knife would not make them harmless, as long as the trollocs still get to kill plenty of people.

    If they want to keep the focus on all three ta'veren, i expec they will add scenes of both perrin and mat fighting for their lives, in addition to rand on his farm.

     

    The main problem with trollocs not being seen as a legitimate threat is that all the main characters grow ridiculously powerful, fast

  8. 5 hours ago, redgiant said:

    which they seem bent on hiding a full-on view of.
     

    the last poster released has a full view of a trolloc face. when i say they look good, that's my main reference.

    if we want to withold judgment about them moving, i can agree we haven't seen them move much except for small, split-second clips.

    if we want to talk about the feeling they evoke, that's highly subjective. I don't find them fearsome, but neither I did the lotr orcs.

    But fear is built more by reputation and deeds than by aspects. I wouldn't find a nazi brigade fearsome either, if I didn't knew what it represent and what it stands for.

  9. the big question is, why this site doesn't have a big news announcement about this clip, and the shadowspawn one?

     

    i was thinking the black is saidin, because saidin is black. the aes sedai symbol has saidar in white and saidin in black, after all. the taint is not supposed to be channeled, the taint is absorbed by the channeler but it does not come out in the flows, the flows wielded are pure.

    but then, this is a fine distinction to explain in a tv show. First reaction was "omg this is an unacceptable warping of the narrative", second reaction was "what does this actually change about the story?", and after a minute I couldn't find any definitive answer for why it's so bad, so I assume it's ok.

  10. 2 hours ago, Rose said:

    I'm pretty sure it's known when Alvaro Morte was filming and it wasn't until they started shooting episode 3. So there's a good chance we won't see him in the first couple of episodes. That's never 100% guaranteed to be accurate but so far these types of leaks have been reliable. 

    then again, they don't have to film stuff in the same order as they show it in the film. while it makes sense to focus on shooting specific episodes because you can use the sets and some of the actors will only be present for that part, they can still take 5 minutes of the clips filmed with logain and show them in episode 1.

    7 hours ago, DojoToad said:

    I don't see Winternight until episode 2.  Gotta spread the action out...

    winternight is, like, chapter 6. you can't spend a whole episode without getting even this far, not unless you include significant stuff that in books comes later. Also, I don't think the public would want to spend a whole hour watching a bunch of farmer living their normal farming lives

  11. 3 hours ago, Rose said:

     

    We get a pretty good look at the Trolloc on the new poster from yesterday, but yeah, I want a full-body shot haha

     

    What I like about the Myrddraal is that it looks sorta normal from afar, just a black cloaked rider with creepy vibes, then as you look closer you start to notice its unnatural coloring and the lack of eyes and the inhuman face... and then it opens its mouth, and it's straight out of a horror movie. The juxtaposition of terrifying monstrosity hidden under a human-like appearance hits that uncanny valley effect really well.

    yes, that's why i liked the new design even though some are criticizing it. it conveys the right feelings.

     

     

    well, those trollocs look wonderful. even if the show was a complete failure, it would still give me a good, clear picture of how to imagine trollocs for the next reread

  12. 1 hour ago, Borderlander said:

    2) The fact that all the arrows are clustered so tightly together is... maybe not impossible, but kind of implausible. Half a dozen arrows, fired from a distance by half-a-dozen archers, arcing up high, and they all are more or less parallel with one another AND basically equidistant from their target (meaning the arrowheads are all lined up?) Like, not even one arrow is a foot or two behind the pack? Not even one had a slightly different trajectory? And all the arrows look to be converging on a single target, since they are all within a few feet of one another? Which means, what? All the archers were shooting at a single Aes Sedai? When there are multiple Aes Sedai and warders all clustered together? Again, it's possible, I suppose... I get that these are all experienced warriors, and lifelong archers perhaps, but that uniformity strikes my eye as bordering on the unbelievable. 

    I had the same thought about the arrows flying in formation, but I accept it as the kind of stuff movies do. an acceptable break from reality, if you will. having the arrows fly more separately, and still all hitting the air shield and stopping or bouncing when they got there, would have worked equally well. but it's the kind of stuff fiction does to try and appear more spectacular.

    if i let that bother me, i would stop looking at fiction entirely

     

     

    1 hour ago, Borderlander said:

    3) And the last thing that just tips the balance into cheesiness for me is the Power itself, floating around the arrows like traces of gossamer-smoke. Which is also how the healing weaves look. And the lightning-weaves. They all just look the same. To me, the Power-CGI looks incredibly generic, especially when there are so many possible braids and patters and types of stitching that could have been drawn on to illustrate 'weaving.' The books are so full of characters discovering new weaves as the series goes on; I recall scenes where women watched Nynaeve healing and could barely understand what they were looking at because her weaves were so complex. But all we have seen (so far) is floating gossamer-smoke. I guess it stops arrows AND heals AND calls down lightning. Maybe that's why they call it the ONE Power? 🙂

    I have also a similar beef with how we saw the power used in the teaser trailer; but it's a problem of how the power is represented, it doesn't have anything to do with the arrow scene.

     

    but there are posters where we see what look like threads, and they have different colors. this give me hope that we will get to see the power in its full glory from the eyes of channelers, in a few scenes at least.

  13. it's the first time we get to see a trolloc up close, i always reserved judgment on those because a few blurred pixels are not enough to judge anything, now i say: wow!

    I never could properly picture trollocs in my head, too complex to mix up so much stuff and get a coherent image.

     

    also, those multicolored threads give me hope that we can see the power in full color with the different elements. it was somewhat of a let down from the teaser trailer

     

    the scene clearly represents the burning of the trolloc bodies after the attack on emond field. It doesn't make too much sense for moiraine to drag bodies personally, we know she exhausted herself healing people. but they needed to stick her in the poster, she's the most famous actor in the cast

  14. 4 hours ago, Borderlander said:

    That said, this one is a pretty minor nitpick for me. I just hope they don't have too many forehead-smackers  (i.e. flying ax-man; frozen arrows.)

     

     

    what's wrong with the frozen arrows?

    the flying ax-man, I'm all for it, i already expressed criticism about it. but frozing the arrows mid-air? it's a perfectly established use of the power, and i saw nothing wrong with it. what am i missing?

  15. in the context of the first episode, when will that scene come? is it even a scene taken exactly?

     

    We've been told, more than one year ago, that the show would open with lan and moiraine along the road. This scene looks very much like an introduction to them, though, which brought me to think maybe this was the first scene in the episode.

    But this clearly makes no sense. rand and perrin talks about egwene's ceremony, and we see it on the teaser trailer. it would make little sense to show it in flashback, so we get the ceremony before this. And probably more scenes.

    But then, this scene makes no sense if they weren't introducing lan and moiraine as characters here. which makes me think they either changed their mind about the first scene, and will instead introduce them later. Or they added a bit more of extra emphasis on their reveal in the scene that got released.

  16. 1 hour ago, DojoToad said:

    But down the road, if the show is awful, successful marketing won't keep it afloat.  Whereas I think that a great show can be successful with little marketing at all.  Quality matters.  How many people got HBO subscriptions just to watch GoT?  Plenty.  If I didn't have Amazon already, I would subscribe just to watch WoT.  But if I hate the show after the first 3 episodes - I'm cancelling my subscription no matter how successful the marketing is.

     

    +1 here. I don't have an amazon subscription, i normally don't watch tv. now i will because i have a reason for it. If I won't like it, i will cancel

  17. 6 minutes ago, Maximillion said:

     

    One of the reasons I am in two minds to even start watching it until later seasons.

    I am not sure what they are already committed to (2 seasons), but the length of this story almost guarantees that it will unfinished unless the audience figures are huge.

     

    that would be one more reason to watch it and get your friends to watch it too.

    when i saw dune a few weeks ago, and learned they will not make part 2 unless they have enough public, i started recommending it to all my acquaintances. I even took a guy named Leto as an opportunity to recommend it to my students.

  18. why not?

    yes, that introduction was a bit overdone, we can all agree on that. but besides it, i don't see any single problem with it.

    Here's a list of small details they got right

     

    ANd the list is impressive, i didn't even notice most of it. All those details they got right shows they care about the details, which buys them more leeway when they make changes.

     

    as for the rest, i can't judge the "feeling" in two minutes. and if the story is well made and well told, i may not care anyway.

  19. 30 minutes ago, Rose said:

    I saw someone theorize that maybe Accepted get a different kind of stone, which they swap out when they're raised to full Aes Sedai. In any case, if the girls can make it look sufficiently similar to an Aes Sedai ring, it's possible they wouldn't be questioned about it because

    1. You'd have to be out of your mind to impersonate an Aes Sedai, so why would anyone even consider it

     

    Dear old refuge in audacity.

    Nobody would believe it possible, if it hadn't happened multiple times in reality. The reason reality can be much more weird than fiction is that reality does not need to make sense to us.
     

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    It would also make it interesting when they're raised in Salidar, because maybe they don't have the stones on hand there so they can't get a proper Aes Sedai ring, which would explain why the Kin doesn't believe they're Aes Sedai later on.

     

     

    Mindblown!

    Could actually work, and be one of those little perks that you can do after changing stuff for other reasons.

    Not necessary for that scene, though; the kin reasoning for rejecting the claim of aes sedai is based on age, and it is very well believable. I have no problem accepting that scene.

    Unlike the scene of Moiraine walking in an inn with her ring, lan with his color changing cloak, and supposedly being incognito. that's a scene I'm glad they changed, and if they may overdone a bit the dramatic poses, it's still better than the original.

     

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