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SparrowHawk

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  1. I believe RJ's intention was to make the 3 boys equal but different. This however, is close to impossible. The value of the actions of Mat and Perrin I believe will be equally valuable to victory at TG, but it seems like most people just want to take sides.

     

    Both Mat and Perrin have caused butterfly effects, thereby inadvertently solving major issues. They're Ta'veren. Many of the cool things they do, and the cool things that happen to them are unintentional.

     

    Some boring things happen in their stories, that's how the author spun the tale. Give a guy a break if life isn't convenient enough to wrap up in a few chapters. Yes, I wish the Shaido chapter would've ended sooner, and I think a condensed version of the series would be kinda cool (blasphemy probably, but oh well) but Perrin did well in the situation. Valan Luca circus chapters sucked too, it's just that point in the story where RJ got more long-winded.

  2. he does shy away from it, and people die because of it.

     

    What instance are you referring to where people die because he doesn't want responsibility? To be fair, Rand kind of goes the other way at times. One instance was with Callandor in PoD (I know there's a flaw, but he still was kind of mad with power), and in TGS.

     

    Trying to think of an instance where Mat is human and makes a mistake. Maybe that's why everyone likes him, he doesn't really ever make a big mistake, except for his crappy behavior in the first couple books? To me, characters seem better written when they're well rounded with many human traits, including the bad ones. A great example is Tavi from the Codex Alera series. The dude doesn't mess up in the whole six books, it's just unrealistic.

  3. if you want the best guy for the leadership job give it to the guy that doesnt want it (that is qualified of course).

    The guy who wants it usually wants it for the wrong reasons.

     

    This is how I've always thought of leadership as well.

    It reminds me of the scene in Gladiator, when Maximus has been offered the role of Caesar, and says he doesn't want it. Marcus Aurelis replies, "That is why it must be you". Perrin doesn't shy away from responsibility, he just takes it seriously,

  4. Demandred's comment about favorite ta'veren made me think of what my order for favorite is. It's close, but would probably be Perrin and rand tying for 1st, then Mat in second, lol.

    I've heard before that the 3 Two Rivers boys are all part of RJ, it makes me wonder what he was like to talk to. I know I can be a little different depending on who I'm talking to, and for some reason, it's amusing to me to think of RJ with a personality like Mat, haha.

     

    On the current topic, the 3 boy's growth and character development are all different from eachother, and their trials are the same way. If you could quantify the hardships they've had to face, I think it'd look something like this:

     

    Rand: 1.) Finds out he's the DR; big responsibility, looming madness. 2.) Knows he'll die at Shayol Ghul, 3.) Loses Moiraine. 4.) The wounds in his side. 5.) Went through Dark Rand phase

     

    Mat: 1.) Shadar Logoth dagger, sick until TDR. 2.) Lost memories 3.) Betrayed by DF Aiel girlfriend. 4.) Lopin, Nerim, Nalesean, and Tylin killed. 5.) Hanged, lost an eye, broke a leg, and never gets Healing for his battle scars

     

    Perrin: 1.) Harried by Whitecloaks and accused of being shadowspawn 2.) Lost entire family, save for some distant cousin (why don't they bring that kid back into the story?) 3.) Internal struggle with losing himself to bloodlust and the wolf inside him 4.) Faile's capture 5.) Taken a few arrows to the knee 6.) Lost Hopper twice

     

    So yeah, they're experiences are a bit different, they've all had their share of trials, that's for sure.

  5. ^THIS^ I loved when he met up with Egwene in ToM :) And Rand in Cairhein. So yeah, I could see that happening.

    But I also like how quickly he was at Rand's side in ToM about breaking the seals. It was cool to see him trust Rand on this, knowing that Rand's pulled off some crazy awesome stunts in the past.

  6. The problem is that most of his introspective musings are shallow, repetitive and frankly boring

     

    To be fair, as much as I like RJ's style, a lot of his characters can be shallow, repetitive, and yes, even boring once in a while. Mat complains about being a lord all the time, Rand lists off the women that died all the time, Perrin doesn't want to be a leader all the time. Well, there character arcs have sort of resolved recently, but in the mid books, they all did this more.

     

    I think all of the characters have faults, but Perrins are less relatable to people. I, for one don't like it if I have more than a couple people's attention on me, so I can totally relate to leadership problems like his, especially when I know in a situation that I'm capable of leading, but feel uncomfortable to do so. So yes, lol, I have this Perrin-thought all the time.

     

    I love Mat too, but there's parts of his character I don't like that everyone else goes crazy for. He seems to be a good example of an extravert that's very charismatic, but charisma doesn't really do anything for me, haha, I guess I'm just not charmed by him.

     

    Another thing I dislike about certain characters(Egwene), is being manipulative. I prefer Perrin's straightforwardness to her's (or Faile's) subterfuge.

     

    Keeping personality traits in mind, are there any other characters you guys can think of that you relate you, or alienate you?

  7. Hi, this is my first topic, and I'm not a writer, so bear with me :)

     

    MowbrayDeadOrAlive may have explained certain things about Perrin better in his post "Perrin Aybara: The character", but I intend to try to explain a little about Perrin through talking about introversion. I'm not here to start another argument about Perrin, just presenting some points about why I like his character(and why I see a lot of Perrin supporters like him because they remind them of themselves), and why I think he's hard to relate to for most readers.

     

     

    A Study on Perrin and Introverts

     

    Introvert doesn't mean shy or socially awkward, it means a person is introspective, likes to be alone, and think. The world's population is made up approximately of 75% extraverts, 25% introverts.

     

     

    Some correlations between Perrin and introverts:

     

    1.) Overthinking; Spends a lot of time in his own head

     

    2.) Needs time to process things; Eg, Blacksmith's puzzle in ToM, figuring out the parts

     

    3.) Isn't a huge fan of dealing with people/likes being alone; Largely paralleled with the wolves

     

    4.) Doesn't want to be a leader, but knows that these are his people to lead;

    Shows he's a capable leader, just a bit unwilling

     

     

    I think that the readers who are Perrin fans tend to see themselves in him, and since most major characters in books/movies that do anything cool are extraverts, it's nice to have a cool character for us to relate to.

    Another funny little reason I like him is he reminds me of Sam from LotR. Tolkien once said(paraphrased),

     

    "The hero of the story wasn't Aragorn, or even Frodo, but Samwise".

     

    Sam was there in the story to be an everyman for the reader to relate to, in the midst of this giant world the hobbits stumbled into. I guess I liken Perrin to Sam in that regard.

     

    Thanks for reading, just a thought that I hope will shed some light on how Goldeneyes thinks.

  8. I think it would be cool (and somewhat necessary after TG) to have Asha'man units to rebuild and bring aid to the populace. Greens should be protectors, and I think it would be cool to have a policing unit of Asha'man, as is there a use for scholar(brown) Asha'man, etc.

     

    But I think it would also be interesting to have more task based units, similar to an "Army Corps of Engineers" of Asha'man, considering man's strength with earth. It would be cool to see them work alongside ogier to rebuild destroyed cities, even Malkier. maybe the brown Asha'man could work with people like Aludra and the Murandian who outfitted Mat with Crossbow cranks, to create either power wrought weapons, or weapons that somehow used the power (I guess just ter'angreal?)

    Just a thought :)

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