Teeeechnically not till I pass the Bar exam. I won't know the results until the end of the year.

4 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Roll up roll up. Key needs 5 ish more players.

 

I'm not playing so there's a 5% less chance that evil stuff will happen. 

 

Tell/tag your friends and get them to join the discord.

 

Please play or I will feel bad.

 

@Zander? @dicetosser1 @Ironeyes @seph @Shad_ @Lenlo @Krakalakachkn @ed2funy @RandA lThor @Hallia @Cass @Verbal32 @Sooh @Red2111 @Cairos

 

 

Wish I could, but my in-laws are coming to town Tuesday night to attend my graduation and I'm going to be hecka busy while they're here. By the time I have a reasonable amount of time to play again it'll be two weeks from now and this game should be nearly over. 

On 5/4/2025 at 9:20 AM, keyholder21 said:

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade - You did an awesome job solving the game right before you died! I hope you know going after you was just in the spirit of the game and I really hope you will keep playing! 

 

@Ironeyes - I'm hoping there's no ill will that I went after you on D1.  It was all to survive of course ;).

 

It can be difficult to not get upset when people don't believe you or are going after you in thread, but it's all a game and as far as I know, even with what looks like vitriol in thread, we are all friends/friendly outside of the game :).  We are playing a role after all!

Vote Key

I'm confident on this. 
 

Vote Dice.

I think Nyn and I were on the same wavelength. She went hard at dice while I intentionally steel manned his case. My hope was that whichever of us died would give a clue into which cop is the real one. 

Occam's Razor already favored Ithi as the real cop, because her story doesn't require any unrealistic assumptions about why the night kills went the way they did. Me not being shot after spending the whole night phase acting like I might not believe Ithi also favors her story. If she were scum, killing me is an instant win. Nyn would immediately vote dice, if you believe what she said during the night phase. 

Instead, Nyn was the shot. 

What's my excuse then? I'm not a woman

3 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Maybe I'm doing a whole show atm and will change my mind if I survive? It's possible. Women can do that. Lol

2 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Here is me trying to tell you that I'm the cop without making it super obvious

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've also been saying that I can't TELL who the 3rd person is yet. That the 3rd person was a mystery. This was when there were still 2 mafia and a roleblocker out there.

 

He'll I even read Heavy his Miranda rights

 

 

TY for the receipts 

Fun fact, the Miranda warning comes from a US Supreme Court case named Miranda v. Arizona. So it's a bit of home town precedent for us here, flawed as the case may be. And it is flawed, but heaven knows the Miranda warning is so entrenched in global culture now that it will never go away. 

Just now, Nynaeve said:

 

You claimed vt?

Must have missed it

 

Lol why??

Yeah right when I subbed in I made a joke about wanting to sub as a different role from my original one (VT) but getting the same one again. DPR sarcastically commented on it but I don't think anyone else cared. 

Reason being that Turin had been getting some mentions as a possible 3p, and I don't trust myself to navigate power role shenanigans with my game skills this rusty. So I planted a flag that I was vanilla or lying. 

I just don't want to form a final opinion until I know if I'm alive in the morning.

Sorry to be constantly devil's advocate-ing you Nyn. I hope you can see my thought process here.

3 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

He does get very frustrated it's true. There's not an awful lot I can do here apart from point out that Dice's whole idea is that I made a plan that depended on me knowing that he would say he definitely wouldn't vote Ed. That he would be unhappy when the Ed 1st train went too fast. That he would be there to make sure people unvoted Ed and even try to stop people from voting Ed after he made a mistake.

 

That I would know that all he would do all game is constantly ask people to tell him if they believed his claim and remind people how no one ever believes him.

 

That I would know he'd never have any real cases on people and would just vote people for no real reasons. I did look back and he was on the lynch of every person apart from Tig.

 

The only time he's given a reason near a vote is when he said he would keep his vote on Heavy for being emo and losing his wim.

 

And that I would also know that he would not give correct information about what was on Ed's read list.

 

If I can do all that then I really should buy a lottery ticket.

 

I think what actually went down was that Dice claimed because he wanted to avoid being lynched. That he expected to be CCd, or that they'd find the real doc with their random Nights kills and he'd be Lynched, but he'd be able to hang on a bit longer.

 

So he didn't really expect to have to do much.

 

Then Ed got lynched and it all got a bit more tricky.

 

 

Just to be devil's advocate, is it not plausible that the cop counterclaim plan was a recent idea? In my scenario above, it becomes possible for you to pull of the gambit Dice accuses you of because 1) you had achieved a strong town status and 2) Key was doomed.

2 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

We don't know that the roleblocker didnt use her N/A. Just that they didnt hit true if Ithi is being truthful. Maybe they thought the cop was in verb, you or me. Frankly ithi didn't cross my mind.

 

DPR thought verb was somehow transmitting cop vibes. Maybe he was roleblocked.

Verb, I could see. He was unnervingly accurate about all the mislynches being town, to the point that I nearly tinfoiled on him for it. You, possibly as well. No way they thought I was cop though. I claimed vanilla immediately upon taking over Turin's slot and I don't see why my gameplay would convince the mafia otherwise. 

So here's where Verb started. He was WTL both Ithi and Dice. 

Much more recently though he had Ithi as WTL and Dice off the table. 

On 4/28/2025 at 9:06 AM, Verbal32 said:

For the record:

 

Dice

DPR

 - un-cc'd town roles (but both on Marsh1's lynch)

 

 

Nyn (deepwolf tinfoil)

Zander

Heavy

Key (town read, but on Marsh1's lynch)

 - town reads

 

 

 

Marsh2

 - Turin was all over me and never bought me dinner, so this is sort of a null slot for me

 

 

 

Tig

Ithi

 - my POE (Ithi from Marsh1 lynch and Tigs due to just math)

Just now, Nynaeve said:

 

Could be frustrated cause he got made d1....  do you think it's indication of alignment somehow?

I think it's either town frustration that he's so close to winning but you and I immediately trusted Ithi, or fake frustration to cast just enough doubt on Ithi that one of us wavers. I don't think it has much to do with the rest of the game. 

The two scenarios I'm deciding between: 

1, Dice is mafia and Ithi is the cop. Dice claimed cop early to secure a mislynch, delay his death, and possibly out the real cop as a bonus. Ithi played it close to the vest. This explains why the strongman wasn't used on Dice immediately and why Dice claimed to be roleblocked constantly. What it doesn't explain is what the roleblocker was really doing the entire time, unless she holstered to keep up appearances. Seems like a waste of role potential. 

2, Ithi is mafia and Dice is the cop. Ithi successfully got herself town read by everyone quickly. Heading into D4, the writing was on the wall for Key and she decided to pull a Kivam-esque gambit to profit from the likely lynch using her deepwolf status. This doesn't explain why Dice was left alive N1 and N3 when the doc couldn't for sure save him. The best explanation is that his claim was in doubt and for some reason Verbal was more dangerous. I think I need to go back and find Verb's most recent reads on Ithi and Dice. 

Just now, Ithillian Turambar said:

I don't think Darthe will bring the deadline forward.

 

I'm watching a very weird movie about people who have babies using pods.

There are only two night actions left though, the kill and the peek. And we know the GF is the last scum so the peek is completely useless. I figured people would have their actions in like ten minutes after night fell.

I'm watching a travelogue of a guy who decided to travel the Thames from its source to the ocean without leaving the water. He started by wading through mud and has progressed to kayaking through London.

Not much. My eyes kind of glaze over with all these posts of lots of quotes. You'd think I'd be better at reading complex documents after 3 years of law school but all I've gotten good at is identifying filler and skipping it (don't tell my professors).

Dice's frustration is very familiar. I know it's been years but I remember this. 

29 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

@Ithillian Turambar when you get around to answering my questions, pls

I'd also like to read this, hopefully when I wake up. Had to stay up way past my bedtime tonight because of how the timing works for flood irrigation. It's a venerable old system here in the Salt River valley but sometimes you get assigned to flood at 2 am. So tomorrow I'll be sleeping in! 

3 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

I came clean day 1

 

i submitted a view. Told darthe what the result was too 

No I meant if you were a vanilla who'd false claimed. Ithi implied she thought you might be doing it to draw attention away from the real cop.

1 minute ago, Nynaeve said:

Are you super certain about ithi? 

 

Cause I'd still like to hear the record and reasoning of her peeks

She's been trending more and more town for me since Ed's death, so that's my primary reason to trust her. If she's scum she's really really on her game because the way she played during D3 and D4 read very town to me. 

Right but at this stage in the game, he'd have come clean already if that were the case.

15 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

@Ironeyes we're both basically confirmed.

 

Last scum in dice/ithi

 

Glgl

I mean they both claimed cop, so there was always gonna be 1 scum 1 town between them.

Kinda expected that before the hammer. Key shows up next to vote Ithi with some justification for believing Dice's claim over hers, right?

56 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Yolo

If you're fooling me you desreve the win lol

 

vote: key

I'll echo this. She's my highest town read among the people that are left.

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Obviously I would also be extremely willing to vote Dice.

It's LYLO so there's no mechanical difference. I kinda want to see a red flip from Key to vindicate my YOLO scum read on her before I died the first time.