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  1. Is there a thread for favorite book? I don't know the acclaim for all, so I'll just post my rankings of the books, and that should say which one I think is most under-rated if it is not as critically acclaimed as others. 1. The Fires of Heaven - loved this book, especially its sad ending 2. Lord of Chaos - great continuation to TFoH and with some big shocks 3. Eye of the World - fantastic way to start the series 4. The Dragon Reborn - loved the ending in Tear 5. The Shadow Rising - something about the earlier books just seems more "magical" 6. The Great Hunt - almost as good as the first and it features one of the best endings with the battle at Falme 7. Winter's Heart - the ending at Shadar Logoth is epic. Loved the Forsaken 8. A Crown of Swords - after LoC, the series isn't as good; it's good, yes, but it never reached what it did after that one 9. The Path of Daggers - see above 10. The Crossroads of Twilight - this is the only one that has disappointed me. It was a disappointing follow up to Winter's Heart, and outside of Egwene being captured at the end, not much of importance seemed to have happened to progress the story beyond where it was in Winter's Heart. I did like the scenes in the White Tower, especially when Mesaana is revealed (well, kind of revealed), though. Still reading - Knife of Dreams (improvement over Crossroads so far) Not yet read: -The Gathering Storm -The Tower of Midnight
  2. I've not been here for a while, and I don't know if there is a thread dedicated to discussing the Forsaken, but if there is, can someone please bump it for me? Anyways, I just love the Forsaken. They're my favorite characters, and Robert Jordan alls keeps me in the dark waiting for more about them. I'm only up to Knife of Dreams right now, so I can only discuss their characters as far as that book, but I loved the chapter "At the Gardens", chapter 3 of the book Knife of Dreams. Also, the events at the end of "Winter's Heart" were amazing. There's so many interesting things about the Forsaken. But anyways, I just want to know who your favorite Forsaken is. My rankings: 1. Lanfear (She's beautiful, seductive, intelligent, and very powerful. I don't like her as much as Cyndane, probably because she seems too much of a puppet, but I loved this comment by Aran'gar (paraphrasing), "She [Aran'gar] tried touching Cyndane and the woman threatened to rip her hand off.") 2. Mesaana (I think I love this character because of the way Jordan describes her. Her Illusion is wonderful. The silver lips and the voice of chimes are enchanting. Plus, she heads the Black Ajah and seems to have embedded herself deep within the White Tower. As I'm only on Knife of Dreams, I don't know what happens to her yet other than her "incident" with Moridin and Shadar Haran.) 3. Ishamael/Moridin (As Ba'alzamon, he masqueraded around as the Dark One himself and his eyes of fire epitomized his evilness. Now he's Nae'blis, so he's the most powerful Forsaken, and he also seems overly possessed with the True Source, as described by the black saa in his eyes.) 4. Semirhage (Thus far, she has barely been in the books, but I kind of like that about her. She keeps isolated. But I loved her entrance in KoD. She comes to Suroth with an Illusion of flames and her voice rings out like funeral gongs. She's also an expert Healer, only none of the Forsaken trust her there, and in contrast to Lanfear, she wears black. I like her secrecy and her vileness toward the Seanchan royal family, from what I garner of her encounter with Suroth.) 5. Graendal (I know she gets more important later...I kind of spoiled myself by accident...but so far she hasn't been there much since Sammael died. But I do admire her. I guess I have a thing for liking the female Forsaken the most. Graendal is beautiful and she reflects on the past when she chooses the setting of the Gardens in KoD. And she's pretty lustful.) 6. Demandred (He keeps to himself, too, or as far as the books have gone so far. The most I remember seeing him was in Lord of Chaos when he aspires to be Nae'blis. I think he's trying the hardest still. I like his mystery, like Mesaana and Semirhage, his two closest companions among the Forsaken) 7. Moghedian (Described as spider-like in her ability to set webs in political matters, Moghedian is quite the backstabber. You have to admire that about someone so evil as one of the Forsaken. She's knocked down a bit on my list of Most Awesome Forsaken because of her "enslavement" to Moridin via Mindtrap.) 8. Aran'gar/Balthamael (While Balthamael was only briefly featured, and as an old man at that, Aran'gar is quite seductive and a dangerous one to meddle with...well, aren't they all? I like how he/she uses her/his sexual prowess and, in Winter's Heart, shocks the Asha'man when she seizes saidin and not saidar.) 9. Rahvin (He died off after The Fires of Heaven, but he was a good opponent in that book, and he did drive Morgase out of Caemlyn, setting the stage for the succession of Elayne over the next few books.) 10. Sammael (Sammael was an alright villain, but not particularly one of my favorites among the Forsaken. He was smart in trying to avoid Rand until the other Forsaken were taken care of so that he could become Nae'blis. The talk Moridin gives in KoD about Sammael supposedly being back and leading Trollocs into the Waygates once again gives me something to ponder, and the attack on the manor house seems like it was driven by those Trollocs, but I don't know if it's Sammael reincarnated or someone else...perhaps Demandred.) 11. Osan'gar/Aginor (He was kind of on the side and even thought it would be ironic if he killed Rand at Shadar Logoth in Winter's Heart, but he was good with creating the Trollocs, Mydraaul, and other creatures of the Shadow.) 12. Asmodean (He was a good character because he showed something none of the other Forsaken did: compassion. Of course, he was cut off from the Dark One, so he probably had nothing else to turn to than Rand. I have a feeling it was Shadar Haran that visited him at the end of Fires of Heaven, or perhaps Moridin, and he is on a mindtrap. I remember Moridin had a few Mindtraps around his neck when Moghedian was summoned to him, so maybe one of them is Asmodean's. But if so, where is he, because Balthamael and Aginor had already appeared as the other two. I look forward to, hopefully, finding out what happened to him. I figure he's just dead, but maybe there's something else) 13. Be'lal (Lamest of them all. I don't know. He just wasn't of any importance to me. He had a very brief appearance in The Dragon Reborn, and I think he died by balefire. He seemed negligible.)
  3. I can definitely fathom how it would be more of a Parliament and King/Queen thing considering the books take place at a similar time as the eighteenth century. It even features the starts of an Industrial Revolution, in some respects, for there are numerous schools where inventors are inventing some new (and recognizable) things.
  4. I thought it could be Aginor, too. Afterall, the first ones that died were he and Balthamael, and since Balthamael became Aran'gar, I toyed with the idea that Aginor would be Osan'gar. That also fits into the irony of him "being the hero of the day" for he was so quick to be defeated. I could have sworn Ishamael created the shadowspawn, but I guess I was mistaken.
  5. I just finished Winter's Heart today. The ending with the Choedan Kal was phenomenal. It was the first time we get so many of the Forsaken striking at Rand at once. It also revealed a lot. Previously, I had guessed Lanfear was either Moridin (Naeblis) or Cyndane. I was therefore unsurprised when the chapter revealed she was Cyndane. I also knew Aran'gar was Balthamael. Now I have one question concerning Osan'gar. In his appearance in the chapter, he claims to be the creator of the Trollocs and, by extent, the Mydraul. Now, I can't recall exactly, but wasn't Ishamael the creator of the Trollocs? I could have sworn one of the first two or three books mentioned that it was him. So, by that knowledge, I'm thinking Osan'gar is Ishamael. HOWEVER...another oddity appeared in that character. Osan'gar was thinking how ironic it would be if he was the hero of the day (if he was the one that killed Rand), which leads me to suspect that he could be Asmodean resurrected. So my question is, "Did Ishamael create the Trollocs?" This makes the identity of Moridin even more obscure. I was certain that if it wasn't Lanfear it had to be Ishamael, especially with the Forsaken describing him as "a part of the Dark One".
  6. I see people talking about the earlier novels here, so I want to discuss my reactions to them. I was actually disappointed somewhat at the end of Eye of the World when *spoiler*Rand "kills" Ba'alzamon*end spoiler*. It made the Dark One seem weak and I was thinking it would detract from their final battle. Then Ba'alzamon comes back at the end of The Great Hunt, and the battle in the sky was amazing, but again it made me think Ba'alzamon was weak and I was kind of annoyed by how Rand keeps defeating him. AND AGAIN the same thing happens in The Dragon Reborn, and when Ba'alzamon is killed, I was perplexed because Jordan described it as if he was REALLY dead that time. Of course, there I was thinking, how can he be dead if he's supposed to be trapped. I was confused as to how he was going about the world and just assumed it was, as Moiraine had said, the weakening of the cuendillar seals that enabled him to "touch" the world more easily. But what Moiraine reveals at the end of The Dragon Reborn made me appreciate those three fights in the first three books and also made me realize that if *SPOILER*Ba'alzamon was really Ishamael, then the Dark One would have to be much more powerful than that*END SPOILER*
  7. That's what I'm saying. Wheel of Time, while it does combine elements from other fantasy sources (and while Eye of the World is so similar to Fellowship), is unique in how it blends those elements. It crafts a very complex epic, but it's just better than Lord of the Rings. I have read reviews that call it a rip-off of Lord of the Rings and just thought that to be so absurd. It's very good, but this is like the kettle talking to the tea pot.
  8. I imagine a lot would agree here since this is a "WoT" fanboard. But I think some people who haven't bothered to read the "WoT" books unfairly call it a rip-off of "LoTR"...and it's so much better than that trilogy.
  9. I've been reading fantasy books for years now. It was "Harry Potter" that actually got me interested in the genre. But I had rarely read epics, so I would never have imagined reading "The Wheel of Time." Thrice I have tried to read "The Lord of the Rings", but something about the beginning of the first book bores me to tears, so I've never been able to get far into "Fellowship" before dropping it and reading something else. I had read all of "The Hobbit", and it was incredible (pwns "LoTR" book-wise, althought he LoTR movies rock!). Anyways, my mom started dating a guy, and he was apparently a big fan of "The Wheel of Time." He had been reading all of them and was anxiously awaiting the twelfth book at the time. He recommended my mom get the first one for me, so on my fifteenth birthday, she gave me a copy of "The Eye of the World." I looked at it in somewhat of disappointment. It had a kind of "Lord of the Rings" rip-off feel to me, and as I said before, I didn't even like reading "The Lord of the Rings." So, I decided I'd check it out anyways, and a couple weeks later (because I had started reading other books at the time), I began to read it. I was reading it at a dilligent pace, but it wasn't until the Winternight chapter that things got interesting, and it became increasingly hard for me to put it down. After that, I was hooked, and that Christmas I got a box-set of Books 2-4 and another for 5-7. I never read them at a very fast pace. I usually only read on the weekends in the mornings, so it took me up to summer to get to the fifth book. But I think they are some of my fondest memories. In fact, last spring break (in March), I would sit out back and read "The Dragon Reborn" and now I'm extremely nostalgic for that...and it hasn't even been a year yet. I'm hooked now, and it's just awesome. I'm on "Winter's Heart" right now, but I have all the books up to number 13. I'm going to be so upset when I finish the 13th and have to wait almost a year for the 14th...and even more so when I finish that one, as that seems to parallel my graduating from high school and an "end to my childhood" or what not.
  10. If there are any other new users or fans looking, this does contain SPOILERS! Hey, just started reading these about a year and four months ago. I got the first book for my birthday in 2009 and thought it would be something I'd never be into. I immediately looked at the cover and said, "It looks like some Medieval bullcrap." But I guess the saying "Never judge a book by its cover" really paid off, because right after Winternight in 'The Eye of the World' things got extremely interesting, and now I'm on book nine and loving it. I'm just amazed by how epic this series really is. It's very complex, and sometimes something almost negligible turns up in one book, and three or four books later, it becomes essential to the plot. Lots of twists and turns keep it interesting and exciting. Anyways, so far what I've found to be most shocking: -Egwene being chosen as the rebel Amyrlin. I was in complete shock when that happened. -Nynaeve Healing being stilled. This was unbelievable. -Moiraine dying...although I hate myself for looking at the glossary for the thirteenth book and spoiling myself with something I shouldn't have seen. -Moridin as Naeblis. This guy's really interesting, and since I'm only on "Winter's Heart", I don't know what to make of him (or her???) yet. I don't want to be spoiled about him (or any of the Forsaken). Alas, I accidentally spoiled myself with seeing that Graendal forms some sort of pact with Rand later and that Mesaana dies in Book 13 and that Aran'gar is Balthamael. Don't tell me if I'm right or wrong (if it's been revealed yet), but my guess right now: Moridin is either Lanfear or Ishamael. However, I kind of think, given the whole sex change thing as a show of the Dark One's humor, that Oran'gar is Lanfear. -Morgasse being driven out of Amador and assumed dead. -Siuan's stilling/disposal as Amyrlin. And my favorite characters are definitely the Forsaken. They're all so fascinating, and I'm kept in such mystery about them as they only pop up every now an then. Lanfear was the obvious favorite; she's hot, seductive, smart, and extremely powerful and cunning. Graendal is beautiful and fierce and seems to have somethin up her sleeve. Damodred (sp?) has been lurking around a lot in his mission to become Naeblis, and so far I'm thinking he has something up his sleeve too. Mesaana is one of my favorites; I love how she's described as having a voice like chimes and always shrouds herself in mysterious disguises when speaking with Aliadrin (forgot her name, probably off). Sammael was alright but I figured he'd be canned. Ishamael's story as Ba'alzamon was intriguing. Balthamael and Aginor never had much room to grow as they were the first to get wacked off, and Be'lal was only featured very briefly. Moghedien has been an endearing part of the stories and is fascinating. Semirrhage thus far hasn't showed up, but I expect that to change. And I always seem to forgot Asmodean. I'm thinking it was Shadar Haran that visited him in Book 5. Shadar Haran, Moridin, and Cyndane are all very interesting and mysterious, too. AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DARK ONE!
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