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  1. @Mik about Fain knowing the Ways. RJ confirmed that he does (from Mordeth)

     

     

    Interview: Jul 19th, 2005Week 10 Question
    In The Great Hunt, who wrote the Dark Prophecy on the dungeon wall in Fal Dara? And why, after Ingtar released Padan Fain from the dungeon, did Fain decide to go to Toman Head? We know he was rebelling against Ishamael's orders (he was supposed to follow the Myrddraal to Shayol Ghul) but why did Fain go to Cairhien and then to Toman Head?
    Robert Jordan

    A Myrddraal wrote the Dark Prophecy on orders, as a threat. I might want to use some of the reasons, so the rest on that is RAFO.

    Fain (now amalgamated with Mordeth) was seeking his own power base, something he would try again with Pedron Niall and Toram Riatin. He wanted enough power to be able to kill Rand, Mat and Perrin, though most especially Rand, and to protect himself against agents of the Shadow. Because of Darkfriend reports, the Myrddraal who wrote the prophecy already knew who the strangers on Toman Head were, or claimed to be: Artur Hawkwing's armies returned to reclaim the lands stolen from Hawkwing's heirs. He knew that they collared women who could channel, which appealed to Fain/Mordeth, since one disliked Aes Sedai at best and the other purely hated them. The Myrddraal didn't simply give this up to Fain, you understand. Fain is one of the few people who could successfully torture information out of one of the Eyeless. As for why he went to Cairhien first, he knew the location of the Waygate there (along with several others and how to read the guidings in the Ways, this last from Mordeth) and preferred to use the Ways rather than make the longer cross-country journey from Fal Dara to Toman Head.

     

    I'm still not convinced about the servant with the parasol being the message but it is an intriguing possibility. It may be correct even if some other parts of your theory turn out to be wrong.

  2. Quickly on Fain: he has to get to a subvertable pile of shadowspawn quickly (we're a handful of days from the end of CoT when Fain was in Far Madding). Probably means the Blight, which means a few days in the Ways for him.

     

    Sure, but Fain does know how to use the Ways so this is not an issue. The Algarin manor attack takes place 30 days after the Fain Rand encounter in Far Madding. Plenty of time to get to the Blight via the Ways.
     

    Then a few other assumptions as well as going against character, he just killed people that were trying to kill Rand after all.

    That's one of the better arguments against Fain. I wouldn't rule him out completely based on just this though. Also, I would consider the character argument to go somewhat against Demandred too.

    The Algarin manor attack doesn't really fit his MO. It's rather blunt and direct. Demandred is supposed to be a brilliant and devious military planner after all. There is no finesse in throwing a large number of Trollocs at Rand and hoping that would be enough. It's a one punch and you are done move. In my opinion, in terms of MO the attack fits Taim better than either Demandred or Fain.

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    And as hints go that would be way too subtle for Rand to get. Certainly, Verin couldn't count on it.

    Verin had to work with what she had and given the limitations of her Oaths, the only options Verin has is ‘subtle’. And Verin didn’t just hope Rand would pick up her subtle hints, she also counted on Cadsuane, as I wrote in the theory. Verin realises full well, that Cadsuane has a biger chance of picking up her hinting at her own allegiance and hinting at Demandred’s location. Given that Cads reads the letter too late –inside the barn after the fly / corpse incident with the servant/ parasol gone-, Cads only picks up one of the hin

     

     

     

     

     

     

    why would Cadsuane be expected to get any more of that letter than Rand? that makes no sense. She doesn't even know what Demandred looks like. And her knowledge of Seafolk is very limited too.

     

    She has much more direct means of communication via the red letters.

    Urmm.. yeahh…. Well… let me be subtle here and say that RJ was a ‘subtle guy’ himself. IfyaknowwhatI’msayin.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    as I said, this would be so subtle that nobody, not readers and not Rand would be expected to get it, definitely not with any degree of certainty. And why would she even think that Rand would open her letter right there in the rain?

     

    It's clear that Rand is still not aware of Demandred's secret identity even after getting Verin's letter. If she knew where Demandred was hiding she would have surely told Rand about it in the red letter she left for him.

    C’mon herid. I think that’s a strawman argument for several reasons;

    1. We don’t even know for sure the letter came from Verin.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    oh, please.

    I agree it’s probably Verin’s, but still.

    2. We haven’t seen the content of this letter yet, even though we might have gotten a hint of some of its content when we read about the king of Illian

    3. Even if this was a letter from Verin (I agree it probably is) and even if that hint about Stepaneos his location was in that letter and that was all that the letter said, that’s not proof Verin didn’t know where Demandred was hiding at all.

    That letter doesn’t disprove the hint Verin gave in KoD in the slightest.

    Like I wrote, right before the attack was the last time Verin was around Rand. Verin said she ‘has done all that she can here’. It’s clear to us readers that Rand missed the hint about Demandred.

    that's only clear if your theory is correct. and as I said, even if it is, as hints go that was way too subtle to rely on.

    How would Verin know that Rand (and Cads) missed the hint.

    No. the question for you is how the heck would she be sure that they didn't? to rely on it and not to double up and relay the same info (assuming she had it) in the red letter would be monumentally stupid.

     

    I also don't buy the idea that the windfinders would be any help in dealing with Machin Shin. The idea that being able to deal with normal wind would help with Machin Shin looks very implausible to me.

    *shrugs* Weaving the Winds through the Bowl of the Winds even repaired the Great Lords His touch on the weather on a global scale. Fact. How is it implausible that Machin Shin –a wind- can be affected, when we know for a fact the Bowl is strong enough to remove Shai’tans touch on a global scale? Hardly implausible in my book. A logical assumption, I’d say.

    And the only plausible solution I ever saw (even though that does feel like patting myself on the shoulder)

    Got a better idea…? :myrddraal:

    Also, the windfinders never had any contacts with Machin Shin as far as we know. It's a relatively recent phenomena and there is no indication anywhere that they ever traveled the Ways. The quote from the using the Bowl scene about wind and a wave gone bad pretty clearly refers to the Breaking.

    How is all that relevant?

    They knew how to Weave the Wind, right? The Sea Folk are most knowledgeable about Weaving the Winds and controlling weather, right? It’s like saying you can’t shoot a certain villain, because you haven’t met him prior to when you shot him. If you know how the gun works, the target isn’t all that relevant as long as it can get shot, now is it?

    And Liandrin wouldn't know anything about the windfinders and weaving of the winds. Black Ajah doesn't seem to know any more of windfinders than the rest of the Aes Sedai. Verin certainly doesn't and neither do any members of Mili Skane's group. So if Liandrin does have a way of controlling Machin Shin (not a given, she might be thinking of using balefire) it comes from a different source.

    Strawman again. I never said anything about Liandrin knowing Windfinders, nor about them sharing a source of information. Nor does that matter one bit. What I –and Liandrin’s behaviour- implied, was that she learned of a way to deal with Machin Shin. This implies there most probably is a way for a fairly strong, single Channeler to deal with Machin Shin and all I did was suggest that Liandrin has the Talent called Cloud Dancing by the Aes Sedai (= Weaving of the Wind) as well and that Ishamael was aware of that and that’s why he send her on a mission through the Ways and provided her with a map through the Ways and that knowledge. Liandrin / Ishamael and the Windfinders/ Bowl / Demandred are two separate combination of factors. I merely suggested they deal with Machin Shin in a similar matter.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ok, I misunderstood your argument somewhat. I agree that Liandrin's behavior shows that there might be a method to deal with Machin Shin and she might know it. The other stuff about windfinders is what I don't buy but it's not very important.

    However, I should point out that Verin did not know how to deal with Machin Shin. She is very well connected in Black Ajah judging by the fact that she met Mesaana twice and got almost a complete roster of Blacks.

     

    It is still very unclear what is going on with Machin Shin. I still like Fain for being behind the Algarin manor attack although Demandred and Taim are certainly possibilities. Fain could move a large group of Trollocs through the Ways quickly.

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    Errrrr… no… Fain never ever “could move a large group of Trollocs through the Ways quickly” at all… for a number of reasons;

    - Fain doesn’t know the way through the Ways.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    lol. and he of course found his way through the Ways from Cairhien to Toman Head just by accident.

    He just closely followed a group who did know the way, because they had an Ogier who could read the Guidings.

    - Fain has no control over Machin Shin at all.

    And you know that how? Fain at least reached some accomodation with Machin Shin because Machin Shin let him go and didn't kill him. and you yourself suggested that Fain altered Machin Shin's behavior.

    - Machin Shin would find a huge army in minutes and devour it, but leave Fain alone.

    again, you know that how? Machin Shin let Fain go. Fain might be able to influence it to let whoever is with him pass too.

    - Fain has no control over Shadowspawn at all. It takes him weeks to break a single Myrddraal.

    Fain has been growing in power over time. That much is crystal clear. What took him a long time in TGH might take far less time in KoD. Also, he created illusions of Toravl and Gedwyn in Far Maddin. Mashadar killed Sammael so it's possible that he can create an illusion of Sammael and his Chosen mark too in which case the Myrddraal would obey him.

    - Fain has no way to visit all those different tribes in a few days –or any one tribe for that matter-, because he’s on foot without any fast way of travelling.

    we don't know anything about the positioning of Trollocs in the Blight at the moment. They could be in the same place. Moridin was getting them ready to attack so he could have moved them near the Waygates. Whoever commandeered them for the attack on Algarin's manor had to have those Trollocs near the Waygates to begin with. Else their plan would have been quickly unmasked, whoever it was behind it.

    - Fain can’t move as fast as a Shadowspawn army…he would slow them down!

    hah? Fain moved with Trollocs and Myrdraal that he did command just fine.

    Seriously herid. Thinking Fain is the culprit is beyond silly if you ask me.

    seriously, if you offer a good argument against it I'll listen. You haven't so far. I'm not claiming that it was Fain for certain. I have not made up my mind on the matter. But this is a lot more plausible than what you are suggesting.

    On Taim;

    I think the real Taim died in TSR, chapter ‘Deceptions’, so to me, this suggestion is even more crazy then Fain. But I guess we’ll have to RAFO in AMoL about that.

    For the sake of not derailing this theory too much, I’ll say that even if I for a minute assume Taim is alive and look at it from your perspective on Taim, I’d say he has no way to control Machin Shin, nor do I think he’s hiding among the Sea Folk, per Verin’s hint. Nor does he have the Chosen Mark, or else Moridin would have invited him and asked him the same question as he asked the others with that Mark and let the zomara read Taim’s thoughts as well. (regardless of what the Chosen think, I think Moridin learned all he needed to know from the zomara present)

     

    We know that Taim is a Chosen as of AMOL prologue. It's not clear when he became one but it's possible (if unlikely IMO) that it happened by the time of the attack on Algarin's manor.

     

     

    The ones attacking Caemlyn now spent a LOT of time in the Ways which suggests that they may have been moved in relatively small groups to somewhere close to Caemlyn (say, Murandy) before being sent to Caemlyn. So there need not exist a method to control Machin Shin at all. A lot of Trollocs might be lost in transit but their numbers seem pretty much unlimited and the Forsaken would not care about losing some. And if the idea that Machin Chin now follows Rand the way Fain does is correct (I rather like it) then this would not be an issue at all as Rand is nowhere near Caemlyn at the moment.

    Machin Shin only waits for Rand at the closest Waygate when it senses noone to hunt inside the Ways. Else Faille, Perrin, Loial and the Aiel could never have been able to use the Waygate near Tear (the city) back when Rand plunges Callandor into the Heart of the Stone

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Good point about Tear. I did not think of it. Still, we don't know what is really going on with Machin Shin. Fain is changing. Whatever he did to Machin Shin might be changing too.

  4. @Mik Interesting idea about the parasol. There may be something there. I always wondered about it as it was a very odd detail to put in that scene. Not sure I'm buying your explanation though. Are you suggesting that Verin got hold of Demandred's parasol and gave it to Algarin's servant? That looks exceedingly unlikely to me. I highly doubt Verin would ever be in a position to steal it from Demandred and the parasol fabric is described as very old. And as hints go that would be way too subtle for Rand to get. Certainly, Verin couldn't count on it. She has much more direct means of communication via the red letters. It's clear that Rand is still not aware of Demandred's secret identity even after getting Verin's letter. If she knew where Demandred was hiding she would have surely told Rand about it in the red letter she left for him.

     

    I also don't buy the idea that the windfinders would be any help in dealing with Machin Shin. The idea that being able to deal with normal wind would help with Machin Shin looks very implausible to me. Also, the windfinders never had any contacts with Machin Shin as far as we know. It's a relatively recent phenomena and there is no indication anywhere that they ever traveled the Ways. The quote from the using the Bowl scene about wind and a wave gone bad pretty clearly refers to the Breaking. And Liandrin wouldn't know anything about the windfinders and weaving of the winds. Black Ajah doesn't seem to know any more of windfinders than the rest of the Aes Sedai. Verin certainly doesn't and neither do any members of Mili Skane's group. So if Liandrin does have a way of controlling Machin Shin (not a given, she might be thinking of using balefire) it comes from a different source.

     

    It is still very unclear what is going on with Machin Shin. I still like Fain for being behind the Algarin manor attack although Demandred and Taim are certainly possibilities. Fain could move a large group of Trollocs through the Ways quickly.

    The ones attacking Caemlyn now spent a LOT of time in the Ways which suggests that they may have been moved in relatively small groups to somewhere close to Caemlyn (say, Murandy) before being sent to Caemlyn. So there need not exist a method to control Machin Shin at all. A lot of Trollocs might be lost in transit but their numbers seem pretty much unlimited and the Forsaken would not care about losing some. And if the idea that Machin Chin now follows Rand the way Fain does is correct (I rather like it) then this would not be an issue at all as Rand is nowhere near Caemlyn at the moment.

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    @Herid: "It would also be very cool if the prophecy from LoC that "The unstained tower breaks and bends knee to the forgotten sign." turns out to mean that the White Tower falls to the Seanchan and the forgotten sign means Hawkwing's sign."

     

    Isn't it much more likely that this refers to the old sign of the Aes Sedai- the disk of black and white? Pointing towards a reunion of male and female aes sedai.

    The prophecy says "breaks and bends knee". That does not fit with the unification with men at all IMO. I'm sure there will be some sort of the unification of the WT and the BT (It's been suggested that the Asha'man will migrate to Elaida's unfinished palace) but  not in relation to this particular prophecy. As far as I'm aware the most straightforward (and generally assumed to be correct) interpretation of this prophecy is that it refers to the Tower division in TSR and the Aes Sedai swearing fealty to Rand on their knees at Dumai's Wells. In that case the forgotten sign likely does mean the ancient sign of the Aes Sedai as you suggest. I was never satisfied with this explanation, however, because in the prophecy the Tower breaking and bending knee seem to be related and here they are not. Also, I don't think the ancient symbol of Aes Sedai was ever forgotten. Even Rand knew what it was when he saw the broken Seal at the end of tEoTW and he was just a simple shepherd at the time. Hwakwing's sign is mostly forgotten, however.

     

     

     

     

    Agreed, but was the Dragon's Banner present at the Wells? If so, THAT would qualify as a forgottem sign. And technically, the Seanchan don't use Hawkwing's sign, they use his son's (TGH, Padan Fain talking to High Lord... drawing a blank).

    Anywhoo, just a thought.

     

     

     

    You are right. The Dragon Banner was there at Dumai's Wells. It was raised over the dome before the Asha'man dispersed the Shaido. That does fit better into the prophecy than the Aes Sedai symbol.
  6. @Herid: "It would also be very cool if the prophecy from LoC that "The unstained tower breaks and bends knee to the forgotten sign." turns out to mean that the White Tower falls to the Seanchan and the forgotten sign means Hawkwing's sign."

     

    Isn't it much more likely that this refers to the old sign of the Aes Sedai- the disk of black and white? Pointing towards a reunion of male and female aes sedai.

    The prophecy says "breaks and bends knee". That does not fit with the unification with men at all IMO. I'm sure there will be some sort of the unification of the WT and the BT (It's been suggested that the Asha'man will migrate to Elaida's unfinished palace) but  not in relation to this particular prophecy. As far as I'm aware the most straightforward (and generally assumed to be correct) interpretation of this prophecy is that it refers to the Tower division in TSR and the Aes Sedai swearing fealty to Rand on their knees at Dumai's Wells. In that case the forgotten sign likely does mean the ancient sign of the Aes Sedai as you suggest. I was never satisfied with this explanation, however, because in the prophecy the Tower breaking and bending knee seem to be related and here they are not. Also, I don't think the ancient symbol of Aes Sedai was ever forgotten. Even Rand knew what it was when he saw the broken Seal at the end of tEoTW and he was just a simple shepherd at the time. Hwakwing's sign is mostly forgotten, however.

  7. @Suttree I certainly agree with that. There will be a second Seanchan attack but the WT will survive. Actually, let me amend that. The WT will survive in the end but it might be a very close call judging by Egwene's dream where a Seanchan woman helps her. It would also be very cool if the prophecy from LoC that "The unstained tower breaks and bends knee to the forgotten sign." turns out to mean that the  White Tower falls to the Seanchan and the forgotten sign means Hawkwing's sign.

     

    @BFG as for Rand delaying going to Shayol Ghul, I'm still not sure on that. Perhaps. He could still be occupied in Caemlyn when he sends Mat to Ebu Dar. Caemlyn need not be completely resolved at that point. Also, Grady is supposed to make a gateway for Mat at noon. On the other hand Rand's trip to Shayol Ghul will most likely take place at noon too. There are a number of hints of that. In particular, in tGH when Siuan arrives in Fal Dara there are some ceremonial phrases related to Amyrlin's role as the Watcher of the Seals

     

     

     

    Suddenly Ronan rapped his staff loudly three times on the broad paving stones, calling into the silence, “Who comes here? Who comes here? Who comes here?”

    The woman beside the palanquin tapped her staff three times in reply. “The Watcher of the Seals. The Flame of Tar Valon. The Amyrlin Seat.”

    “Why should we watch?” Ronan demanded.

    “For the hope of humankind,” the tall woman replied.

    “Against what do we guard?”

    “The shadow at noon.”

    “How long shall we guard?”

    “From rising sun to rising sun, so long as the Wheel of Time turns.”

    --tGH, ch 2

     

    It has long been suggested that this refers to a solar eclipse and there is a solar eclipse going on on the AMOL cover which shows Rand, Nyn and Moiraine at Shayol Ghul. So I think that likely means that Rand will hold off his attack at least for a while. Terez thinks that Grady might make his gateway early so that Mat arrives at FOM before noon. But that seems unlikely to me because the gateway time was set up very recently  and it would have been much simpler from writer's perspective to have it set in the morning and avoid any extra plot complications.

  8. I find linking two ravens to two Seanchan attacks on the White Tower pretty iffy but there is another dream ensuring that there will be a second attack. In TDR, ch 25 Egwene had a dream of women in dresses with lightning bolts woven on their breasts, collaring a long line of women who wore Great Serpent rings, forcing them to call lightning against the White Tower. So not only will there be another attack, but Tuon will figure out how to get around the third oath. She hinted in tGS that she might know how.

     

    As for Illian, unless the Horn is hidden there already I have a hard time seeing how it can be involved there. It can not be used without the Banner  AND the Dragon as explained by Hawkwing in tGH. So unless Rand goes with Mat it will not be blown in Illian.

    I'm not sure if the Horn is really mentioned in the prophecies. The closest I found is that Thom mentions in tGH that

     

    The legends all tie the Horn to Illian

    --tGH, ch 26

     

    This is certainly suggestive but it says, legends, rather than prophecies. Still, this is a strong link and even Moiraine and Siuan wanted Rand to take the Horn to Illian in tGH. So perhaps  Mat and the Horn will have some adventures in Iliian after all without having the Horn blown there.

     

    Mat's timeline in chapters 3-10 seems pretty clear to me. It's mentioned in AMOL, ch 1 that both of Perrin's Asha'man are there with him at FOM. So Mat will show up there at noon the next day. Rand will send him to deal with the Seanchan. This will be seen in somebody else's POV because Mat's POV in ch 11 is his first in the book. There are plenty of main characters present at FOM so this should not be a problem. Mat will stop by his Caemlyn camp before going to collect his things and Pips.

  9. @wotfan4472 I don't think the DO was reaching into Rand's mind but rather Rand was reaching for the DO when he grabbed the TP. There is a difference. And the link between Moridin and Rand is still there post VOG. That's clear from the fact that Cyndane showed up in Rand's warded dreams at the end of TOM.

    And there is some stuff in the released part of AMOL which makes this very obvious too.

    @FSM BS said in an interview that Rand can still sense the TP (which is presumably why he knows that the Far Madding guardian doesn't block it) but has refrained from using it.

     

     

    Interview: 2011

     

    Twitter 2011 (WoT) (Verbatim)

    Shane Crenshaw (2 August 2011)

     

    When Rand saved Ituralde from the Trollocs, did he use the True Power or saidin?

    Brandon Sanderson (2 August 2011)

     

    Rand has resisted using the True Power except for that one dangerous moment. He can still sense it, though.

  10. I'm doing a reread before AMOL comes out and I recently passed the dream meeting between Moridin and Rand in tGS. It struck me that Rand doesn't get the sickness when he channels saidin in that scene and also the act of channeling saidin seems to break the contact between him and Moridin.

     

    He reached for the One Power. It was distant, far away. Rand seized it, and felt himself yanked away, as if on a line of saidin. The room vanished, and so did the One Power, as Rand entered a deep blackness.

    --tGS, ch 15

    Any explanation of this in light of this theory? I can't think of anything myself.

  11. They were charged with preserving the existing order (or rather, reestablishing it), and had the least freedom of initiative than anyone else in the Salidar Hall save Delana and Sheriam (and possibly Moria, we don't know). Therefore they fall back to old-guard AS-thinking, were the others evolve more freely with circumstances.

     

    Makes sense to me, at least.

    well, maybe. I still find their opposition a bit too rabid. They persist even after Rand's emissaries arrive in KOD and tell them that saidin is clean. BTW, after posting this I found that luckers has a theory addressing the matter. He agrees with Veracohr's view that they were afraid that an alliance with the BT would jeopardize the Tower unification under Elaida.

    I suppose being Elaida supporters puts them in the "Old Guard". I mean, the Rebels are doing random unprecedented things just by rebelling, they are more malleable to change. The Elaida-moles are (by their choice of sticking with Elaida) traditionalists.

     

    So I can see where both of your conclusions are correct. It is because they are Elaida's henchmen that they disagree, and that fact makes them "traditionalists" who would be against change anyway, not just by Elaida's order, but by their own nature.

    A small quibble. They are not really Elaida's henchmen. They were sent by their respective Ajah heads, not by Elaida. I'm not even sure if they know about each other's missions. Beonin was the one sent by Elaida and it's clear that she is operating independently of those five Sitters.

  12. They are not really the old guard. The Ajah heads explained in tGS that they chose the most youthful Sitters to send to Salidar. Takima, for example has only been a Sitter for nine years. And Romanda and Lelaine are an even "older guard". yet they saw reason.

    The five Tower spies were the only ones who were completely bent out of shape on the issue. Veracohr may have the right of it that they simply feared complications because Elaida would never go along with the plans regarding the BT but it does not seem very satisfactory to me.

    In any case, this is not terribly important now. That particular plot line was terminated as quickly as possible by BS and I doubt we'll ever hear of it again. same goes for the question of who betrayed Egwene although I'm reasonably sure I'm right about it.

  13. I think it's way too coincidental not to have something to do with their mission. They and Delana (who was Black) were the only ones to oppose the plans to ally with the BT and Delana changed her vote on the second try. You may be right about Elaida however. She would never go along with this and they likely knew it. But this still looks like a side issue to me. The Reds in the Tower came up with the same plan regarding the BT and they did not consult Elaida at all.

  14. I'm finishing COT in my reread before AMOL comes out and I'm somewhat confused about some of the motivations of the Tower spies in Egwene's camp. It's pretty clear post the revelations of the Ajah heads conspiracy in tGS that Faiselle, Magla, Saroiya, Takima and Varilin were the Sitters sent by the Ajah heads to infiltrate the Salidar camp and bring them back to the Tower. All five were sitters before the split, pushed for election of too young sitters in Salidar (as Magla pushed for Salita), voted against the declaration of war and later pushed for negotiations with the Tower. They probably were the ones who betrayed Egwene's plans to turn the harbor chain into cuendillar too.

     

    What I don't understand is why they all so vehemently opposed the plans to ally with the Black Tower. None of them knew that the subject would be brought up beforehand when Moria suggested it. Yet they opposed it violently and in unison from the very start. They (and Delana) were the only ones to do so. I don't understand their motivation in this. Presumably they saw it as an impediment to their mission but I don't see why.

  15. @Theodril That's a very plausible theory (I believe it is correct myself) but we don't know for certain. It might be revealed in AMOL - we'll see.

     

    Thanks, Herid. I didn't mean to compose the question with the implication that it is a theory. But Taim's name came to mind after I read the scene. Are there other theories on who that patron might be?

    Demandred and Taim are the main suspects. Check this FAQ for a nice discussion on the subject.

  16. thanks. this sound pretty confusing though. What I asked him exactly was this (I did write that down beforehand):

     

    You said that there are two methods of destroying cuendillar. One is using the TP. Is it possible to figure out the second method from the books?

     

    He said something to the effect that there is indeed a second method but it's very tricky and would be very hard to figure out from the books.

    I wish I recorded the answer more carefully but It's just that I took his answer to be pretty much a RAFO so I didn't even post about it. This was at the book signing at the Polaris con in Toronto in July 2011.

     

    I find this somewhat hard to square with the quotes in the interview database. What it sounds like to me is that he may have been referring to the same method (as TP detroys the pattern) in both of those interviews.

  17. I thought it was settled, that the second way Brandon referred to was simply the unraveling of the Pattern (that is, the way every Seal we've seen broken was); still an effect of the DO, just not TP in the strict sense.

    really?! I've never heard about this. Did BS say something new on the subject? I must say I really don't like this explanation. Sounds like cheating to me. When I asked him about it at a signing last year he basically RAFOed the question. It's been a long time but as I recall he said something to the effect that there is a specific method to do this but it's very hard to figure out.

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