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mdnyttokr

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  1. I've been wondering if the Dark Prophecy is not about Perrin at all, but Elyas. HE's the one I think is going to die. I just have a hard time accepting that RJ had always planned to kill off Perrin specifically. I don't think that will happen. I think all three of them live to the end. But I do wonder who WILL be killed off. I'm still betting on Galad, and possible Berelain. I just don't see how the story could end with one brother being the Lord Captain Commander of the Children of the Light, and the other brother being the Warder to the Amyrlin Seat. Anything is possible, I guess. I also think Lan is toast, maybe Nynaeve as well. If Perrin DOES die, then Faile will die with him.
  2. First of all, WELCOME TO THE WHEEL OF TIME! Yes, we LOVE LOVE LOVE new readers!! It's like we get to read the series again for the first time through you. Many of us have read the entire series a dozen times (some much more!), but nothing ever quite compares to the first time, does it? Yeah, Mat is full of piss and wind, but by the end of Book 3, I promise, you'll absolutely love the guy. The first few chapters can take some determination to get through. I won't give you spoilers, but suffice to say the series really takes off when Rand and Tam go home for the night after their delivery and after you (the reader) meet all the important characters. There will be a moment (and you will know it immediately) when the series goes from slow to fast REALLY quickly. If Rand and Tam are still in Emmond's Field, then you have not reached that moment yet. In the paperback, I think it was somewhere between pages 60 and 70. My memory of my first reading was that I had a hard time keeping straight who were the important characters I needed to remember, and who I could simply disregard as a "filler" character. So let me help you with that right now. You need to focus on the following characters, in no particular order: Rand Mat Perrin Egwene Nynaeve Moiraine Lan Thom Padan Fain A few others will turn up later in the series, such as Tam, Bran, Abell, and Master Luhan and his wife. For these characters, just remember that they are mostly related to the major characters, and you will see most of them again later in the series. But the first list, above, are the major characters, along with a few more you will meet along the journey. There is one other thing I can advise you on: after you reach the end of each book, go back and re-read the prologue to book 1 (Dragonmount). I found that it made SO much more sense after the completion of each book in the series. So congratulations for starting the best epic fantasy series there is (as far as most of us are concerned). Welcome to the community, and let those loony theories fly whenever you think of them! Around here, we LOVE loony theories!
  3. The one part of the series that convinced me the two of them had a very strong mutual attraction was in book 4. I think it was the chapter called "Deceptions" but I'm not too sure of that. Thom and Moiraine had a conversation that started with Moiraine revealing to Thom that she knew all sorts of personal details about him that he believed he had kept secret from everyone. That didn't surprise me too much, Moiraine has always been like that, and she's very like Gandalf in the way that she always knows more than people give her credit for. But then Thom started revealing to Moiraine all the personal details he knew about her, (her past, background before become Aes Sedai, and her true motivations). It seemed to me that Moiraine tried to "play Thom's game" so to speak, by impressing upon him that she can learn anything about him that she wants, but she was "one-upped" by Thom, who showed her that he had long ago learned everything about her that she didn't wish anyone to know. There was a trace of rivalry tension in this scene, but I felt that when the conversation was over, the two of them came to respect one another more. Thom learned that Moiraine was NOT like other Aes Sedai at all, and Moiraine learned that Thom could knew far more than even she suspected, and possibly knew more than she knew. I think that would have been the moment where Moiraine decided she would bond him one day, if she had the opportunity. I think both Thom and Moiraine would never have been happy with a significant other that they could push around or intimidate. Each one was looking for an equal, and found it in one another. Good post! Thanks!
  4. Me: Q: What are the winning lotto numbers of the next jackpot over $100 million? A: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 Mega 42 Q: Who killed JFK? A: G. Gordon Liddy, from the grassy knoll. Q: How can I talk my wife into getting a boob job without her getting mad? A: Trick her into thinking that it's her own idea.
  5. There's actually a lot of Egwene-fan art at Deviant. Here's a search results lnk for "egwene" http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=egwene Some of it is already on DM, but some of it was new to me. Enjoy.
  6. Egwene's development throughout the series is truly one of the highlights of the Wheel of Time as a whole. She was one of my least favorite characters until about book 5. Then with the Aiel Wise One training, I felt her character change; start to grow. Her masterful manipulations in th tower when she was captured showed that really was ready to be Amyrlin. Now one of my favorite characters, and certainly one of the most complex characters in the story.
  7. I think Rand's death will be of the "comes back to life somehow" variety. I still have hopes for Lan, too.
  8. I was always a little disappointed in Sammael's death. I know the actual FIGHT was awesome, but one minute Sam is there, and then he's not. Rand never actually SEES what happens to him, and we as readers do not get Sammael's POV during his death. Then RJ simply tells us, "He's toast. Mashadar got him." That would have been EXTREMELY cool to read a POV from Sammael there. None of the other FOrsaken or the DO/SH has mentioned Sammael. I guess all this time it didn't really bother me that much because I figured the DO would eventually bring him back as he did Aginor and Balthamel and others, and involve him in the plot again. But that hasn't happened and now here we are at the actual end of the story, and it just seems like there's not time to bring him back with any kind of involvement in the larger plot. I guess he is truly gone. Right? Then again, I still think Aginor is going to be brought back again.
  9. In book 2, in Shienar, when Nynaeve stood up for herself to Suian (then Amyrlin), and Lan was standing in the room. I can't remember exactly what the conversation was about, but Nynaeve felt the Amyrlin was talking down to her, and Nynaeve didn't like it one bit. She decided to show the Amyrlin that Two Rivers women have a VERY strong spine. Lan, impressed with the way Nynaeve handled herself, mutters only loud enough for Mynaeve to hear: "Tai'shar, Manatheren." To me, it said that he wanted Nynaeve to know that despite the fact that he's a warder, she is first on his list priorities, and to make that statement in front of the Amyrlin Seat no less, showed that he was completely (wonderfully) unapologetic about it. My favorite Moiraine moment was her letter to Rand. The first time I read that part of Book 5, I was spellbound. I was so "in to" the book at that moment, that I could not sit down. I read that part pacing in my living room. But when Rand got to the part where Moiraine tells him "Be wary also of Master Jasin Natael," I felt a chill go down my spine. She knew all along who Natael really was, and despite what I'm certain was an INTENSE BURNING NEED to see Asmodean punished or even just KILLED for his crimes; despite all her training telling her that this Forsaken must be caught and taken to the Tower at all costs, she knew Rand needed a teacher, and she trusted him to handle Asmodean properly. It was the first time I think that it dawned on Rand that she had believed in him all along, and he'd been wrong about her. It changed Rand. So that's it. Thanks for reading!
  10. Why does this story, more than any other franchise or series, hold such fascination for us? Those of us who have read the entire series four, five, even ten times or more from TEotW Prologue to ToM Epiclogue, dwelling on every small detail, making predictions, casting the movie, etc.... we know that the uninitiated are really missing out on something special. This brings me to the first of two questions I'd like to throw out. 1. Why THIS series? In your opinion, what makes WoT better or more memorable than other famous franchises? Lord of the Rings, Dragonlance, heck I even remeber the Chronicles of Prydain. What 'nerve' does WoT strike within us that inspires such devotion? 2. How do you go about convincing someone to start reading it? I have one friend that's an avid reader, but is turned off by the cover art (of all things), and my wife says fantasy isn't her genre, but she LOVES vampire romance novels (god, that's become it's own genre now. scary). But how can you convince someone to give it an honest try? My answer to number 2, but the way, is that I tell them that they should just commit to 100 pages. If they aren't interested after that, then give it up. But I also tell them that everyone I've turned on to the series kept reading. But, it still won't work on my wife.
  11. Man, I cannot wait until after AMoL is released and everyone has seen the ending, and Brandon/Harriet/Maria can answer all these nagging little questions. They could probably release another guide book just to detail all this minutia. After all, the first guide was released shortly after book 7, and there have been 7 more books since that guide. Seems to me like we have enough material for another guide.
  12. 1. Graendal's in trouble. I think the main part of her arc is basically finished. Oh, I think we'll see her again, but she's out of time to come up with another plan that would sufficiently impress DO/SH in the time left before TG. Look for one more appearance for her, on the field of battle, completely out of her element, where I believe she will be killed by... well -- pretty much anything. My point is, she's done. 2. Perrin realises Noam chose to become a wolf. Perrin realizes he will not lose himself to the wolf as long as he does not want to. He will live through TG, but Elyas will die (which will fulfill the Dark Prophecy about a wolfbrother dying. I believe Galad and Berelain will also both not survive TG. 3. Olver's seems to be a budding sociopath, and Caemlyn is invaded by Shadowspawn. Talmanes fears the loss of the Dragons. Caemlyn will burn. Mat and the Band will recover the dragons, with help from Moiraine and Thom. 4. Creepy Red Aiel Dudes. I believe this is going to be connected in some way to the "private lessons" Taim has been giving Asha'man. I have absolutely no evidence for this, other than Androl's musings that people don't seem quite the same after coming back from those sessions. Or it could be SOLELY the male Aiel Channelers that ran off to the blight to die. Either/or. 5. Rand dreams of Cyndane. Will not be a major factor, unless of course Rand is able to save/redeem Mierin in some way, and maybe she'll help the Light at TG, but I doubt it. I think she's Moridin and SH's little toy right now, and she'll only be let loose at TG to wreak havoc with other Dreadlords. And now it seems Graendal has the same fate in store for her. 6. Lan reaches the Gap. Okay, here's my big loony theory: Lan's battle begins just as Egwene begins to attempt to convince Rand not to break the seals. At the start of this argument, Nynaeve and Elayne will be firmly on Egwene's side, but DURING the debate, Lan will be killed in battle and Nynaeve will feel it while Elayne learns that Caemlyn has been burned to the ground. Once the initial shock is passed, Nynaeve (in grief and anger) and Elayne (in MUCH anger) will switch sides, and agree with Rand. The time for trying to hold the DO back is over, and now the time has come to fight. After all, what is more dangerous than a group of uber-powerful channlers with nothing left to lose except their desire for revenge.
  13. No spoilers for ToM, but some spoilers for earlier books. I only have one real prediction for book 11, but I suspect it will be an unpopular one. Many other sites I've seen have predicted that this will not happen. The DO will bring back Aginor/Osan'gar again. I say this because, though Aginor made a poor choice in attacking Rand during Book 8 (assuming he was NOT under orders), he's loyal to the DO and tries to do what he's told. Add to that the fact that there are perhaps only 3 or 4 people in all of Randland history that are stronger channelers than Aginor (Ishamael, Rand, MAYBE Lanfear, possibly Alivia). To use a football analogy, those are All-Pro stats, and you don't bench a All-Pro player if you want to win. The Last Battle is starting, and Dark One will not leave his starting players on the bench. How many male channelers can the DO put into play that are as powerful as Aginor? Only Moridin. Demandred is close, maybe Taim, but the ranks of the Forsaken are certainly thinning. The DO gave Moggy a last chance, brought back Lanfear, and let Messana live, all of whom CLEARLY disobeyed orders from Moridin and/or the DO. Why would he not do the same for Aginor? Especially now, so close to the end?
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