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WhiskyJack

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  1. One question on TP:

     

     

    How did forsaken learn to channel TP? Is it exactly like OP (five elements) and weaves are exactly the same? But that couldn't be since weaves are not the same for Saidain and Saidar. So how did Rand know what to do in tGS?

     

    We know very little about it, but what we do know I can hazard some guesses:

     

    1. Ishy has been using it for many years, which is why Moridin has saa.

    2. In the death of Mesaana scene, we know Rand channeled Fire to break the Domination band and balefire Mesaana and Elza.

     

    So yes, expertise in one transfers to the other, they both use the same elements and weaves, and it is simply an alternate source of the OP.

    But this leads to disturbing speculation about the relationship between saidar, saidin, and the DO.

     

     

    So you can use two weaves of completely different nature to achieve same result in TP, like Traveling? Difference in weaves based on Saidar and Saidin is due to their totally different nature. How do you transfer that? TP accepts everything?

  2. My questions got lost in...

     

    Okay I just finished tEoTW and I have few questions regarding the fight between Rand and Ishmael.

    1) What was that pulsing black cord behind Ishmael? Saidin? Why black though? If TP than how was Rand seeing it? Asmo only hand a thin black cord protecting him from taint. What did cutting the cord do? Still Ishmael? Did it just heal later?

    2) Did Rand balefire those Fades "holding" his mother? Is that why Ishmael screamed?

    3) How did he wound Ishmael? Lightning doesn't come from sword. Felt more like balefire but everything caught fire or what not and Ishamel was alive after that.

     

    I read the whole, Rand accessing Eye of World, Saidin scene bunch of times and still couldn't figure about this channeling the LIGHT and Power thingy.

     

     

    Anyone?

  3. 1) experts.

    2) Blight is quite big and may be these trollocs feed on stundted trees/creatures in blight. I don;t think there is a good answer to this

    3) Less than 100 still alive I think.

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    5)3 heroes of horn are out of circulation (Rand/Birgitte/Cain). Leaves about 110=120..Wheel probably has turned cycles beyond counting and you don't need a big army of heroes. They can defeat a host of any size as long as their leader is wining.

    6) Not explained in the book. Perhaps they keep the name of the last life. Meaning once Rand dies, they will know him as Rand.

    7) Does it matter?

    8) They don't. Thom had stories from ages way way before AoL Mat's memory was a "war gift". Not much war in AoL, Rand remembers AoL very clearly and Brigitte ages before that, though she is slowly forgetting everything.

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    edit: Does Tam know about trollocs and fades?

     

     

    From tEotW:

     

    “But Trollocs are just. . . .” Rand let the words trail off. Not just a story, not after tonight. Those things could be Trollocs or the Dark One himself for all he knew. “Are you sure?” he whispered. “I mean . . . Trollocs?”

     

    “I’m sure. Though what brought them to the Two Rivers....I never saw one before tonight, but I’ve talked with men who have, so I know a little. Maybe enough to keep us alive." (Tam)

  5. My point is that unlike ordinary people. heroes of Horn don't get a scrub down. Their memories of lives they have lived stays intact, though made inaccessible. We don't know what taint can or cannot do but Rand does remember his past and LTT only surfaced after Rand started channeling. Other Ahsa'man don't suffer from this probably because wheel doesn't allow them to retain any past memories. Also, heroes of horn probably have lived very few lives compared to an average soul which probably goes through this rebirth thing every 100 year or so...

     

    Mat is not remembering anyone's past life.

  6. lol, 10 million trollocs.

    The shadow probably has an advantage (mostly because of the ashaman) but if that were the case they could just stroll down southward.

    They could have done that if there were the same number of trollocs and human soldiers for that matter.

     

    I'm pretty sure LTT didn't have a giant army when he sealed the DO.

    And if he gets enough aes sedai he can still make a giant circle and do whatever.

     

     

    During LTT's time, armies were more balanced and LTT has led a strike on SG itself. He still had 113 channelers and like 10k soldiers...

  7. I think your analysis isn't quite accurate. For one thing, there are almost a hundred BA still free, and Taim has been turning Ashaman left and right for two weeks now (at the end of the BT ToM-timeline, roughly two weeks before the Field of Merrilor, I believe). So quite a few evil channelers.

    For another, there are millions of trollocs out there. The Light's strength is measured in the tens/hundreds of thousands.

    Finally, Elayne kept most all of her Dragons in a warehouse inside Caemlyn. The trollocs might well have taken possession of them.

     

    And then, there's your last point.

     

    Exactly, I get annoyed at people who think the light has it good.

     

    Thousands/ possible millions of trollocs?

     

    Try at least 5-10 million. Maradon was just a fraction. Arafel and Kandor are overrun and Caemlyn is burning. not to mention the masses at Tarwins Gap.

     

    People ALWAYS overestimate Egewne's "purge" of the Aes Sedai. She killed 40 in the rebels and maximum (being generous) 30 in the Tower. There were around 170-200 BA in Verin's book. That leaves at least 100, probably more still lose.

     

    The Black Tower is effectively the Shadow's. Androl and those loyal to Logain/Light are trapped by the Dreamspike. Until thats resloved, there are barely 50 Asha'man free to fight for Rand.

     

    As Rand said, he wont be fighting like he did for Maradon, and the other channelers are not nearly half as good as him. Nynaeve, the strongest in the Tower, could kill perhaps 1000 trollocs before being exhausted. Most of the Aes Sedai or Asha'man cant even do that.

     

    The armies at the FoM are less than 1mil, and trollocs/ fades are superior to men in strength. They are outnumbered 5-1.

     

    Throw the Forsaken into the mix, Darkfriends, Red-veils, Darkhounds (need Balefire to kill), Moridin's stash of angreal/ter'angreal/ shocklances etc.., starvation due to food spoiling, the dead walking, the pattern unravelling, the TP, and not to mention the DO itself, the Shadow has every advantage.

     

     

    I have always seen it this way:

    1) Fight against DO on one front. Now this probably has most potential for disaster. But DO has never been able to free himself. So this limits his role in any battle. He is a possibility of war going totally wrong and this is where Dragon comes into picture. Dragon must put DO away, with help of others. While this is important, it's not the war. There is no reason to believe that just because there is hole in his prison, he can break free anytime soon or ever. May be it will take him 50000 years to break free. Who knows.

    2) Other front that is his minions. Now this is a real and immediate threat. What happens if Dragon seals the DO away and gets killed in process. Randland in this scenario probably will be destroyed. So putting away DO is not enough. Light must come out in force. They are underdogs here. To think that WT, BT,Seanchan...are just helpful and not a necessity is just plain weird. Camelyn is burning right now. Borderlands is overrun. Does it matter to these people what happens to DO.

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