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  1. man it took me a while to catch up.

    it seems that we have agreed to disagree on a lot of different decisions that Egwene makes.

    I'm happy that we r handling it like adults.


    back to the topic.


    Egwene, in my opinion, should take the test at some point. why? because i feel she must.

    my problem is this. once she stops being Amyrlin at some point while she is alive, does that make her Accepted again?

    then she would have to take the test, if it is still in affect, and ask an Ajah for her to join.

  2. She's been raised by both sides of the Tower conflict. There's no need for further formalities. What is the spirit of the law, and how does she not fulfill it? How is she not the very embodiment of the White Tower at this point? If she was not fully Aes Sedai, she could not have shamed the Tower Sitters at her raising the way she did, but they hung their heads because they knew they had failed, and that she had the moral authority, not just the technical authority, to scold them for it. If the Aes Sedai themselves accept her, and it is clear that they do, then that should be sufficient.

    There was no requirement for the Amyrlin to be Aes Sedai prior.Do you believe it to be so because a)it went without saying that only an Aes Sedai would even be considered for the position or b) because they saw the prospect of rising a non-aes sedai to it ?

    Aes Sedai accept her, true.Still, she never took that test, for a tittle she claims.



    Also, Zeshan can probably answer for himself, he has done so just fine thus far.

    True, just like I give my own opinion.Unless this is a private convo in which case, sorry for intruding.


    I don't really see your point. Obviously, they never considered that a woman who was not Aes Sedai would be considered for the Amyrlin Seat, and that is where the loophole came from. However, it also clearly states "The Amyrlin, as Aes Sedai..." which is the basis for her title as Aes Sedai. She is Aes Sedai by virtue of being Amyrlin, and that is made quite clear in the books. I am sure you are aware of it. Because of that, she does not need to take the test in order to claim that title; it is hers by right as Amyrlin Seat. Again, what does it matter if she ever takes the test or not?


    No, it is not a private conversation, but I asked him to clarify his statement, not for someone else's interpretation of his statement.


    which statement did u want me to clarify, cause I don't remember if i did clarify or not. lol hahaha.

    please be nice. no prison shanks into anyones kidneys please.


  3. this is the main reason she can't do it, maybe she will get rid of the testings completely.

    i don't know, but i feel she should have done the testing.

    and state that she does it, because she is Aes Sedai and she needs to do it for the betterment of herself and for sake of tradition.

    look at what Nyneave gained by doing it. Nyneave knows that the tower comes after Lan.

    it might give Egwene some more perspective.

  4. lol, ty.

    i totally forgot that.

    but, she has not taken nor will she take the test for becoming Aes Sedai.


    Well first, so? And second, what proof do you have that she will not take it? Her thoughts, as highlighted in bold text in my quote, indicate that she intends to take the test someday.


    Sorry, I thought I had quoted the relevant post when I responded the first time.


    hehe, np.

    my last post was supposed to say YET at the end.

    i do feel that she will take the test but not now, because its not good for her right now.

    she should close that loophole and take the test and end it.

  5. one thing someone brought up is that she wants to close loopholes and stuff in the tower, but since her becoming Amyrlin makes here Aes Sedai she will not take the testing or swear the oaths.

    this to me is very disappointing about her, because after the fact that she has done all this good for the WT and the world, she will not do this.

    maybe because it will undermine her control and authority as amyrlin, which makes sense.

    maybe she will do it later when her seat is more stable and not a "....Rock balance on top of another rock."

    will the ends justify the means?


    another thing about when rand visits her in the WT in ToM.

    she speaks without pause, Rands Ta'verenness is making her do this.

    she is a thread, just like any other, being woven to help rand.

    what good is being a leader if everyone agrees with u.

    Rand was a Tyrant, Egwene is not.


    once again she is who she is, like or dislike, deal with it.

    these are books, fictional characters, unless RJ and BS know something we don't.

    always be respectful.


    And, as i asked BS in the ToM Signing in NYC as a tower guard.

    i was like why are the women so mean to men.

    he was like, and I'm paraphrasing here, that world looks down on men who can channel.

    its been that way since the breaking. that is y.

  6. Because the Guardian was there in the Age of Legends, and he knows a lot about it and how it works.

    Really? Wow, that's a big oversight on my part.

    No, it was just the city. (I looked it up.) But in any case, it blocks saidin and saidar separately. With that in mind, why would it block the True Power?


    Chapter 51 bottom of page 748 in the original hardcover.


    Rand: "It's always been a city of importance, you know, The Guardians are Newer, but the city was here long ago...."

  7. I've been rereading ACOS in last few days and came across quite a few passages, which are unflattering to say the least for Egwene.


    ACOS, Ch.9


    Egwene did not entirely trust Alanna. The woman did extremely odd things at times, maybe impetuously and maybe with some deeper motive. Egwene would not put it past her to find a way into Rand’s bed; he would be clay in the hands of a woman like her.

    We see here her usual "high" opinion of Rand. It's hilarious in a way, given that Rand managed to resist seduction by stunning beauties like Lanfear and Berelain.


    ACOS, Ch. 10


    The Wise Ones wanted to guide Rand no less than Elaida or Romanda or Lelaine, or very likely any other Aes Sedai. Of course, they only wanted to direct the Car’a’carn in a way that was best for the Aiel, yet those sisters wanted to direct the Dragon Reborn toward what was best for the world, as they saw it. She did not spare herself. Helping Rand, keeping him from putting himself at odds with Aes Sedai beyond recovery, those meant guiding him, too. Only, I’m right, she reminded herself. Whatever I do is as much for his own good as for anybody else’s. None of the others ever think about what’s right for him.

    Yeah, Egwene, you are the only Aes Sedai who ever think about what's right for Rand, Nynaeve and Elayne never do that. And all Wise Ones don't care about Rand as a person at all. :rolleyes:


    And, of course, thinking that only through her guidance Rand could avoid "putting himself at odds with Aes Sedai beyond recovery", is both arrogant and wrong. Even after the terrible abuse he suffered after Galina's party captured him, Rand still restrained himself from declaring a war on Elaida's faction or something similar which would've ruined any chance of him working together with the Aes Sedai.


    ACOS, Ch. 10


    With Nicola and Areina’s bowstrings dampened a little more, it was time to turn her attention to Rand. Unfortunately, finding his dreams would be as useless as finding an Aes Sedai’s. He shielded his somewhat as they did theirs, although apparently a man’s shield differed from a woman’s. An Aes Sedai’s shield was a crystal carapace, a seamless sphere woven of Spirit, but however transparent it appeared, it might as well have been steel. She could not recall how many fruitless hours she had frittered away trying to peer through his.

    What a great friend Egwene is, dedicating so much of her time trying to find a way to spy on Rand's dreams. A silly man like him doesn't deserve privacy even in his dreams, Egwene must be at hand to "guide" him there too.


    ACOS, Ch. 10


    She had considered trying to find Nicola’s dreams, and Areina’s. Once she unearthed them, she knew exactly how to sink the fear of the Light into their bones, and she did not give a fig that every bit of it was proscribed. Practicality sent her here instead, not fear of the forbidden. She had done what was not done before, and she was certain she would again should it become necessary. Do what you must, then pay the price for it, was what she had been taught, by the same women who had marked off those forbidden areas. It was refusal to admit the debt, refusal to pay, that often turned necessity to evil. But even if that pair were asleep, locating someone’s dreams the first time was arduous at best, without guarantees. Days of efforts—nights of it, rather—were more likely to deliver nothing.

    Here Egwene is thinking how she's ready to break the rules she'd been taught by the WO and scare Nicola and Areina so they won't reveal that Egwene lied about being a full Aes Sedai. This means Egwene's refusing to admit she's broken the rules and to pay the price for her previous actions. By her own admittance in the bolded sentence, this is evil. Yet the only reason she didn't do it was because she couldn't locate their dreams.


    Not to mention how hypocritical her outrage at Nicola and Areina's attempt at blackmailing her is, considering that Egwene did exactly the same with Nisao, Myrele and Sheriam's group of Aes Sedai.


    I'm not sure if this was in response to my quotes, but I wasn't trying to build up weight on the "good" side that you need to counter balance. I was simply giving evidence against untrue generalizations of Egwene. So if you think these quotes suggest some general flaw in the character then spell it out so we might debate it.


    I really don't care to debate every possible negative thought or decision she has had. You could make a giant list of these for any character. Some will be more or less damning to different people.


    Lan wanted to kill some backforest farmer just cause the poor guy figured out Moir was Aes Sedai. Should I conclude that Lan is some cold blooded killer whose bloodlust is only tempered by Moir holding him back? No, I know the man was suggesting what he felt needed to be done to keep his oaths, and what he could do to protect those actively fighting the shadow.


    A quick note on dreaming though. I always wished Egwene could have broken into his shield because it could have been one way for them to have talked and maybe averted a lot of problems. Maybe Egwene would even be as convinced as Nyn of his sanity if she had. I think jumping to the conclusion her motivations were in some way nefarious is unfair.




    Lan , wanting to kill someone for a logical reason is totally different than actually DOING it and failing as Egwene did in trying to find the dreams.


    as i said before i like Egwene at times and other times i really hate her. she is who she is, deal with it.

  8. you finish ToM and start reading EoTW again.

    you forget ur book at home and buy another copy while at work so u can read it.

    your mailbox is filled with forum posts from dragonmount.com and other similar sites.

    you have a TWoT tattoo

    your pets and maybe children are named after characters from TWoT.

    you wish you could channel

    you wished you lived in the AoL

    you look for the 13th depository in the library

  9. ok, so i didn't read all of these posts.


    while i was reading through ToM again, i came upon the chapter where there Perrin and his crew come across the Blight infected grass with the weird houses built there.

    so, this lead me to believe that there is a city in the blight. if its trollops fades draghkars or those wicked looking Aiel that live there i don't know. but, it pretty cool.


    maybe the blight is filled with its own culture like the rest of the world, but they view rand as the bad guy.........

  10. i found a quote while reading ToM again. chapter 51 "A Testing" bottom of page 754 in the original hardcover.


    Rand: "You don't know how close you came to doom, If i had come to you but a short time earlier, i'd have returned those slaps with balefire."

    Tenobia: "Inside the Guardian."

    Rand: "The Guardian block the One Power, The One Power only."


    so based on this rand still has access to the true power

  11. I just read the scene in ToM where Gawyn takes the gateway back to the WT and is almost cut by the gateway made by the kin on duty.

    in the end his messenger never reached Egwene that he sent back and the kin on duty almost got em killed.

    the kin was sleepy, but I'm wary now.

  12. Is Mat still tied to the horn.


    We haven't seen the horn for some time and much has happened.

    According to what i remember, Mat is not tied to the Horn anymore because he dies in rhuidean by the eel/ael finn.

    some say it was when he dies attacking ravin in caemlyn but rand brought him back with balefire so it is as if he never died.

  13. what i don't like about Egwene is very complex.

    just like a friend who makes decisions u agree with and decisions u detest.

    her goal is to unify everything, but not under what Rand wants, But under what she feels is right.

    and as a leader she has the right to do that, but not with the Dragon. u know all ties and bonds are broken...etc etc.

    she does listen more than any other aes sedai that i can remember. But, it doesn't mean that she will take that into account into her decisions,

    as we can clearly see when she goes Over Rands head to the kings of his conquered territories.

    she is not power hungry by any means. she wants the job done. in her way.

    she is looking at things as black and white right now. and we all know that is always bad.

  14. Yeah its always been clear that the preasure on Rand is a major contributing factor--in many ways perhaps even a larger one than the Taint itself. I usually think of the Taint like a catalyst--it makes things fluid. It gives you a shove, but when you fall and how you hurt yourself depends on how quick on your feet you are, and what's in front of you--or to switch back to pseudo-psychology, it causes mental instability allowing for natural predispositions to manifest.


    It actually makes a large amount of sense when you think about the fact that different forms of madness manifest, and in different intervals. The taint destabalizes you, but your own mental states and personal stressers will determine the way in which you succumb to that disposition.


    so, it can be said that the taint will accelerate the Maturation of your mental instabilities and/or shortcomings.

    Do i smell a thesis?

  15. when did Ishamel wake up in randland?


    Though it is believed by scholars that he wakes up periodically for 40(?) Years at a time since the sealing. This is how he influenced the prophecies of both continents



    is there a link to this theory?

    sounds really cool


    Sorry, closest I can come up with is [The World Of Robert Jordan - The Wheel Of Time - 52] detailing an entry by Aran son of Malan son of Senar. Because it is in the Guide, it can be assumed to be fact, not a theory.


    is that page 52 and is it the big white book? if so, i have it

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