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    @mwayneknight Did you read <a href='http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/09/qdear-robert-jordanq-a-response-to-a-memory-of-light'>Jason's review</a>? There is also a<a href='http://www.adventuresinscifipublishing.com/2012/12/aisfp-180-jason-denzel/'> very nice audio interview with him</a> which is even more interesting than that review IMO. The upcoming review by Leigh Butler that BFG mentioned is another good option.<br />

    There is absolutely no way I will see an advanced copy of AMOL, however. I have nothing to do with Tor, BS, team Jordan or any other people involved in the publishing process. I suspect the same goes for Barid, Suttree and Mik. Luckers was the only one on your list with a chance but since he said he won't get it either I'm afraid that particular Christams wish will go unfulfilled :).</p></blockquote>

    If by advance copy you mean the one I get from the indie bookstore here in SF that puts things out a week or so before the release date...then yes I will be getting one. :wink:<br />

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    lol, +1 with batcaver, please do write a review then. Lots of indie bookstores in Toronto but I've never had such luck here. In my experience they actually usually get new releases much later than the big store chains like Chapters. Perhaps I just don't know where to look...<br />

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    The place rules...highly recommend to anyone who lives in my area...<br />

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    Going to be in the area towards the end of December. How early in the past have you received one?


  2. I'm currently listening to the audiobook of ToM at work.  I just came across something I never noticed before.  There's a Min POV near the beginning of the book, right before Rand comes back to Tear, and she's talking to Nynaeve.  Nynaeve is throwing a fit because Rand has been gone for three days.  In a later POV from Cadsuane (still the same day) Rand returns to Tear.  There's a whole lot of foreshadowing/mentioning about 3 days in earlier books.  Whether it's not believing Rand is dead until someone sits with his body for 3 days or if it's someone talking about how Nynaeve wouldn't be happy until she healed someone three days gone.

     

    So...is there any additional significance to him being gone for 3 days?  Does this count for one of his "deaths?"  It's the Zombie Jesus connections that make it hard for me not to think there's something a little bit more going on.  Otherwise, this is just a scene that screams in your face, "hey look, Rand's like Jesus, he's been gone for three days, come back and is all Zen." 

     

    Any thoughts?


  3. It could be that the speaker is the one who is dying/leaving in some way. If anyone hasn't said that yet. (EDIT: Like the post above mine pretty much says...)

    I pretty much agree with the above. I imagine an aiel dying on the ground from a battle wound looking up to a friend and then saying that line. I don't think it needs to be in TAR.


  4. We heard from Brandon's people that chapter 2 (IIRC) would be the last material released. So, the question is, do we think these aMoL previews are in response to the negative feedback from the chapters? Is this their way of giving us little tidbits to try and make us focus on what's coming rather then what's been released?

     

    Unfortunately, if true, they underestimate our ability to tear apart single sentences and find a million things wrong.


  5. I can't remember exactly but is it referenced anywhere in chapter 1 or the prologue that Rand was writing a letter to Elayne? I initially assumed the letter was a fake sent by a darkfriend trying to get Elayne to go against the meeting at FOM.

    Clearly though, if it was previously mentioned rand was sending a letter I would feel less likely that it was a fake letter in chapter 2.


  6. But remember, and Ive always believed this to be a significant distinction and not just semantics : Ishamael was not breaking through Moiraine's Wards on the three boys' dreams - THEY were entering ISHAMAEL'S.

     

     

    Fish

    Rand got a wound in one of those dreams. Doesn't that only happen in TAR?

     

    OK, just listened to the audiobook again (awesome to pass the time when driving a lot). You are right it's rumor that Dyelin mentions. However, I still think that there are some interesting parts.

     

    Here are the specefic foretelling rumors that Dyelin mentions came from Gitara regarding Luc.

     

    *Gitara convinced him that his fame lay in the blight or his fate.

    *Or that he would find the Dragon Reborn in the blight

    *or that the last battle depended on him going.

     

    The last one is the one that jumped out at me.

    Hmm, didn't remember those. You're right.

     

    I think as far as we know it only happens in TAR, I believe. However, if he was pulling them into a "DreamShard" (groan) we don't really know what sort of rules apply. I would bet though wounds can be taken in a DreamShard as well.


  7. Hadn't thought about Slayer being used to attempt to kill Rand permanently in TAR. I like it.

    Also, we know that slayer is going to play a important role based on Gitara's foretelling that he needs to go to the blight or the world would be doomed. Paraphrasing that a bit. Don't have the books in front of me.

    Gitara said that to Rand's mother about the Waste. Dyelin's talk may imply she may have had a hand in Luc's decision to go to Blight but as far as I remember she thought he was overcome with grief and went away one day.

     

     

    I just had an unrelated thought, couldn't Shadow use TAR more effectively? Moghedien and Cyndane are very strong in there and they were mindtrapped. Why didn't Moridin tell them to assassinate world leaders? Forsaken can snatch people from their dreams into TAR. Aes Sedai, Rand and Perrin can shield their dreams and I suppose Mat's terangreal may shield his too but the rest are as defenseless as babies. Kill Darlin in his sleep and Tear is in disarray. Kill Bryne and Salidar Aes Sedai's army goes puff and the Tower may never have been united. Kill the enemy generals and the opposition army loses great strength. Kill Aiel chiefs and Rand's best army loses their cohesion. Kill Min and Rand is devestated. It's simple, brutal and effective. Isn't DO supposed to like that sort of plan? I just don't understand it.

     

    OK, just listened to the audiobook again (awesome to pass the time when driving a lot). You are right it's rumor that Dyelin mentions. However, I still think that there are some interesting parts.

     

    Here are the specefic foretelling rumors that Dyelin mentions came from Gitara regarding Luc.

     

    *Gitara convinced him that his fame lay in the blight or his fate.

    *Or that he would find the Dragon Reborn in the blight

    *or that the last battle depended on him going.

     

    The last one is the one that jumped out at me.


  8. ok, thanks. Another small point. If I understand your theory correctly you believe that shit will seriously hit the fan (Rand dying, the darkness coming) by next noon. Whatever happens I don't believe things will move quite that quickly. That's mostly based on Mat's POV from chapter 11. Grady promised Mat that he will open a gateway for him every day at noon (TOM, Ch 53). From chapter 1 we learn that Grady is at FOM with Perrin. So I think Mat will show up at FOM at noon the next day together with Moiraine.

    Or perhaps Grady will go looking for him ahead of time. (I have been arguing for a while now that he would.) Either way, I think Rand will die the next day at the latest.

     

    I think it's pretty clear that by Chapter 11 (which has to happen some time after that ) Rand is still alive.

     

    Yes, but we don't know how much time has passed since chapter 1. I think it's probably the same day, just because the onset of the Last Battle makes the need for the Seanchan all that much more dire.

     

    Rand: OH SHI—

    Egeanin: How much do you trust Mat Cauthon?

     

    It's certainly interesting though what did happen in chapters 2-10. I think I recall BS mentioning somewhere that the Black Tower will be sorted out early in aMoL so perhaps that's it.

     

    I think chapter 2 will be a continuation of chapter 1, probably with Mat showing up. That might extend into chapter 3, but my guess is probably no further than that. The remaining chapters will likely catch up the Black Tower, set it up to merge with the Caemlyn plotline, and maybe those chapters will also give us a glimpse of Lan and/or other Borderlanders. And Tuon. There's nothing else important going on really. Maybe a Forsaken POV.

     

    PS—Slayer might come into play in chapter 2 or 3, but that's just another complication. As I've said before I think his main job is to try to kill Rand permanently after his death.

     

    Hadn't thought about Slayer being used to attempt to kill Rand permanently in TAR. I like it.

    Also, we know that slayer is going to play a important role based on Gitara's foretelling that he needs to go to the blight or the world would be doomed. Paraphrasing that a bit. Don't have the books in front of me.


  9. Did notice. It was a nice correction, and, in fairness, Sanderson is in a bit of a no win there - if he listens to the fan base TOO much and adds corrections then its just seen as a retconned piece of fanfic. If he does NOT, then he is attacked for NOT listening to the fans and not correcting little things.

     

    Its hard. I liked many things in Chapter One though I had MANY issues too. Mixed bag. I will say this: The prologue ''felt'' a lot like Jordan in several areas. Chapter 11 ''felt'' like Sanderson at Sanderson's worst and Chapter One felt like Sanderson NOT at Sanderson's worst. - That is the kindest and most accurate way I know to say how I feel about the three released parts of AMOL so far.

     

     

    Fish

     

    I completely agree. And I'm not trying to bash BS. I realize he's in a tough spot. I'm just glad that we're able experience the ending. It's much better than the alternative.

     

    On a side note, I was really hoping that Talmanes wouldn't survive the healing and we'd get a nice moment with Nynaeve going crazy because she couldn't save him and vowing she'd find a way to heal everything, including death.


  10. “I believe it.” Rand regarded his wine. Lews Therin had loved wine. A part of Rand—that distant part, the memories of a man he had been—was displeased by the vintage. Few wines in the current world could match the favored vintages of the Age of Legends. "Not the ones he had sampled, at least."

     

    Did anyone else notice the addition of the line above?

     

    Not the ones he had sampled, at least.

     

    Apparently, Team Jordan/Sanderson listened to everyone complaining about the wine comment. I went back and checked and the excerpt that was released initially from chapter 1 was missing this line. It was added after the fact.

     

    I'm not sure how I feel about that.

     

    And sorry for not bolding. I'm on my iPad and don't know how.

     

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