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Pinzarn

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  1. Much like Occams whiskey bottle, I hated reading about some of the situation that characters were in.

     

    Tops on the list for me...

     

    -  How many candles the Rebel AS had.

    -  The various stories about the Dark One's touch on the world, like grain going bad.

    -  I didn't mind Faile's point of view on her captivity, but Perrin's point of view was boring.

    -  Elayne's ascension to the throne

    -  Morgase keeping her identity hidden


  2. I never thought that the turning process required an "active link" to the dark one.  It was described that the turning process doesn't really create a new person, it just brings all of their darker thoughts, actions, processes to the forefront and suppresses the "good" actions.

     

    My take is that all of the turned people will still be evil, just like bad people would still be bad once the Bore was sealed.  It is just part of the clean-up process after any major war that will need to be completed to bring order and justice back to the land.


  3. Ok, putting myself in Rand's place...

     

    I have an item that is all powerful  So much power that it has been said that I could rival the Creator with it.  At this point, my paranoia starts to kick in.

     

    First, I have come to accept that my role in the Final Battle will not be wielding saidan to fry a bunch of Trollocs.  At the very least, my role shouldn't be that.

     

    Second, I have an all powerful item that I won't be using.  The only people I trust can't use it.  I count the people I can trust as Elayne, Nynavae, Min, Avienda, Mat, Moriaine, Lan, and Perrin.

     

    Third, for the people that can use it, I don't trust them with something that powerful.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  In trying to do "all powerful good", what could possibly go wrong?

     

    Fourthly (is that a word?), I am supposed to die in the Last Battle.  So I can't use it afterwards.

     

    Given all of the aforementioned items, destroying it is the best course of action.  I can agree that perhaps the timing of the destruction could have been delayed a bit to use it to some degree in the beginning of the Final Battle, but it would have been less of a dramatic moment for the author.


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    Just because she could lie

    explicit lies go against the 3 Oaths.  And the Black Ajah are the only ones bound to the Oath Rod that could tell explicit lies.

    For the others to lie, they would need to believe the statement as true; which would make the lie non-explicit.

     

    Yes, I know that.

     

    Just because an AS could explicitly lie doesn't automatically make them Black Ajah.  It just means that she is no longer (or never was) bound to the Oath Rod.  


  5. I don't think the clues were really there that Verin was Black Ajah.  The clues were there that she wasn't bound by the Three Oaths.  Just because she could lie and used compulsion doesn't immediately make me leap to Black Ajah.  Shady yes, BA no.


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    4. Mat's connection to the Horn was severed when he 'died' in Caemlyn when they attacked Rhavin. Being balefired and returned to life cut his connection. That's why they mentioned it was Rand's doing. 

     

    Just for clarification (I know what Barid meant, but it could be read incorrectly)...

     

    In the bolded part (I bolded it), Barid is talking about two different characters.  Mat was not balefired.

     

    Mat died from Rhavin's lightning trap when everyone arrived in Caemlyn.

    Rand balefired Rhavin with enough power to rewind/erase Rhavin's previous actions.

    This rewind/erase of Rhavin's actions means Mat's thread in the Pattern was restored to the "living".


  7. Let's just say that it is a character flaw for nearly everyone in the book.  This leads to no one wanting to work together.  Once they overcome the character flaw, they can accomplish major things.

     

    This exists between the sexes, between social classes, between nations, etc.  Across the board.

     

    Looking back, I think Birigitte is the only one without that flaw, but then again she is operating with many lives worth of experience.


  8. well Asan'gar was manipulating Egwene, but besides giving her headaches doesn't seem like she did much.

     

    And that is one story line that I wish would have been flushed out more.  I would have traded seemingly endless chapters about food spoiling and waning candle supplies to learn what Halima was doing.


  9. Rand somehow pushed his soul in Moridin as he pushed Moridin's soul into his dying body.  So that involved 2 living beings but also required them linked with the TP.

    The forsaken got new bodies, thus one alive and one person already dead.  So if the person already wasn't dead you would have to  suck the soul out of a living being while placing the new on in.  Not sure but for me I think the other person needs to be dead before the soul of a dead person can inhabit the body. 

    The you get slayer which is somehow a blending of souls. 

     

    I think what needs to be done depends on the state of you subjects, whether both are alive or dead, one dead one alive etc. 

     

    I always pictured the Foresaken's "body swap" situation along the following lines:

     

    Foresaken dies.  Dark One has control of their soul.

    The new body is still alive as a captive.

    Some ritual takes place near SG.

    Foresaken's soul is pushed into the new body while the old soul is ripped out.

    Dark One now has the old soul to play with.  No one ever cared about the old soul.  Maybe it is in the River of Souls.

     

    I was never of the opinion that the new body was ever dead at any point in time.  If the "host" body was dead, then this is the Dark One resurrecting/reanimating the body with a new soul.  Why not just resurrect/reanimate the Foresaken in his/her old body?

     

    The Rand/Moridin body swap is along the same lines.  The only difference is that instead of Moridin's soul had a place to go instead of being in the Dark One's control.  This is mainly because the Dark One wasn't the one running the show, but Rand was.


  10. Well looks like I will read through book 3, I will reserve my judgments until then.

     

    To address the pacing, yes I felt as though it was not well paced but that typically doesn't kill a book for me(didn't stop me from enjoying LotR and god knows how overly descriptive that book is). I really never cared about the characters due to them either being pretty much unbelievable or so 1 dimensional they are boring, also the climax of the last battle felt so out of place and unearned I never felt immersed. Not to say it is the worst book I have read but; overhyped.

     

    Also, Jordan's book deals change a few times while he was writing the series.  Others can correct me if I get the pacing incorrect, but first it was a three book deal that expanded to a six book deal that expanded to a twelve book deal that morphed into the 12th book being broken into three books for a grand total of fourteen books.

     

    So in the beginning if fourteen books worth of story was supposed to be crammed into just three books, I would expect to not have as much character development as one would expect.  It has a flip side through, I loved the pace of the first three books.  I didn't like the pace of some of the middle books.  The pace was traded for character development.


  11. Aginor to Osangar, Balthamel to Arangar, Lanfear to Cyndane, Ishamael to Moridin, Graendal to Hesalam; those I count as ressurections, not body swaps.  The new bodies I take died before the soul of the respective Forsaken was put in; and it seems doubtful that the respective former souls exist in the former body of the respective Forsaken.  It seems Rand and Moridin were still living while their bodies were being changed.

     

     

     

    Do we know that the new body died before the Foresaken took it?  Yes, the Foresaken died, but I don't recall hearing that the host body died then the Foresaken's soul was crammed in there.  Perhaps, I missed it.


  12. I doubt it is taveren-ness.  The pattern spins out taverens as they are needed to bring balance to the turning of the Wheel.  To me, there isn't any major balancing needed in the patter/Wheel at this point.

     

    As for Rand's "powers", I still think that in the Wheel of Time universe, the Dream World and the real world are more closely linked than anyone realizes.  The lighting of the pipe text just seemed to mirror many of the wardrobe changes and such that people did in Dream World.  They thought about it and it happened.  So yes, I believe that Rand could be hurl fireballs or create gold if he wanted to.  There are other comments about the link between the real world and Dream World like the Aiel talking about dying as "waking from the dream" (or something like that).

     

    On the topic of Rand having any of Ishy/Moridin's memories "left over" in the body, I doubt it.  For the other body swaps (the 'nars, Lanfear, etc.) they never referenced any memories from the previous body owner.


  13. Few fiction-writing authors seem to tie up all plots in their stories.

     

    There might be some chance of post-series events being told about in the encyclopedia.  not entirely sure about that.

     

    I am not hoping for any post series events, per se.  Just a little more explanation of a couple of vague items.  For example, we were left with very loose closure for the Shaido.  I think we'll see a couple of paragraphs in the Aiel/Shaido section (if there is one) about their trek back to the Three Fold Land.

     

    For the post series items, once again, I expect to see something like...Min - served as the Empress's (may she live forever) Truthseer for 10 years before returning to Camelyn to act as Eylane's advisor and friend.  Something like that.  I doubt we'll get a "story" out of it, but just some passing facts. 


  14.  

    But is it the End, will the Wheel continue to turn?  We more books be written to answer these questions?   

     

    Yes, the Wheel will continue to turn.  There is nothing overly special about this turning when compared on a grand scale to the other turnings.

     

    The encyclopedia is supposed to be out this year(?).  I expect it to tie up a few loose ends, but there will still be plenty that are left open.


  15. To the OP...

     

     

     

    Think this is what you are referring to and it matches up with his cosmology perfectly.

     

    Interview: May, 2001
    Marcon Report - Sorilea (Paraphrased)
    Question
    At one point in the story we see Ishamael talking to Rand, and telling him that they have fought countless times in the past, but this is the final time. Is there anything about his Age that makes it special?
    Robert Jordan
    "No...every Age is repeated, there is nothing that makes this age any different from any other turnings of the Wheel. The Wheel is endless."

     

     

    Thank you!

     

    And what do you think about the last sentences?
     

     

     

    The events described in the book are important to the people of that age.  How I took RJ's statement is that the events of this turning of the Wheel are no more important and no less important than any other turning of the Wheel.  This turning wasn't the end-all-be-all finale, but "just another turning".


  16. I think the key is "one that you cannot remember".

     

    Doesn't Mat remember the darkhounds at the door?  Even though Ran BF'ed them, I though Mat still had a memory of the attack.

     

    On the other hand, I don't recall any of the people that died in Rhavin's trap remembering dying.


  17. Yes, I think it's possible that Gaidal Cain likely is the baby saved by Logain and co. Or, the only other possiblity I can think of is the toddler Nyn healed on the streets of Bandar Eban at night.

     

    For a point of reference, Gaidal Cain would have been born between TSR chapter 52 and TFoH chapter 14.  He is on screen in TSR 52, and in TFoH 14, Birgitte says that he has been gone for some time.  According to some of the timelines out there, that is about 1.5 month window in which he was born.

     

    Using those same timelines, that would make the reborn Gaidal Cain about 9.5 months old at the end of TGS.  By the end of aMoL, he should be about 1 year old or just over.


  18. Everybody makes mistakes, the question is how severe and whether people are being reasonable about how much they claim it detracts from the book. In my experience, the most vocal critics on this point tend to have a serious axe to grind with Brandon.

     

    My opinion is that the casual reader will not pick up on the timeline clues in the reading.  They might have a vague memory of the last Bel Time (sp?), but I doubt they will connect all of the dots.

     

    For every good book or series of books, there will be the fans that will catch, and potentially obsess, about some of the details.  Which details the people key in on will vary from person to person.

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