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  1. The problem with that is Rand would only be able to do it once. He would be able to outmatch Demandred for power with Callandor, but he would then be burned out or dead from drawing so much of the power, leaving him useless against the DO/ whoever was left. 

     

    Possibly.  I think the Power level of both sa'angreal are quite close, either way, he would be far too tired from the battle to face Shai'tan.  That is the problem of building up Demandred for many books and giving him too many tools. 

     

    Only a lucky few Forsaken had angreal and Aginor stated at the Cleansing that Callandor would make him supreme.  Little strange that Demandred would be able to ferret that sa'angreal. 


  2. The solution would have been very simple IMO, increase the size of the Trolloc Armies. 

     

    Let's say the Light forces had 10,000 channelers and the Dark only 2,000, instead of hiding the Light numbers and the Power of the chanelers, Brandon could have easily increased the size of the Trolloc Hordes many fold. An army of 10-20+ million Trollocs.  Why not.  Not like the channelers can keep up the attacks after destroying several million...they get tired just like doing physical work.

     

    We never get a true estimate of the Trolloc armies in the entire series, only that they far outnumbered the Light forces in the Trolloc Wars.  In the EoTW Ishamael was hardly concerned when Rand destroyed that massive Trolloc Army.  So pretty much any number would have been fine for the Trolloc Hordes in order to compensate for the Light having far greater number of channelers. 

     

     

    Callandor vs. Sarkanen:

    I suppose Sarkanen is techincally stronger than Callandor, but Callandor has no buffer, that is why at one point, Logain stated that Rand was wielding more saidin than at the Cleansing.


  3. Well, if we nit pick too much, bound to find plot holes you can drive several 18 wheelers through. 

     

    Just to add my 2 cents: :rolleyes:

     

    As for  sword play, there is no way anybody just practicisng the sword for sport would ever be as good as one that has actually used it in battle for decades (who is #1) at it.  This is like someone in a McDojo doing few hours on the weekend taking out a UFC fighter, lol. 


  4. After his awakening at Dragonmount, Rand was no longer just your regular channeler (beyond LTT 1.0).  As the DR he was able to affect the Pattern, trees, apples  (one with the land), spot DF's, drive them mad, protection against the taint...fending off at least a circle of 13...

     

    Lighting the pipe, takes it one step forward, bending reality. 

     

    I think Rand burned out, he was channeling more saidin than at the Cleansing (according to Logain's PoV) and Callandor has no buffer.


  5. Not entirely true friend. Rand in fact attempted to blow up a battlefront, and help out Rand, but they had channelers going straight for him whenever they saw him. Also, with demandred in a full circle, it's doubtful Rand would attack - thats why only the non-channelers had any luck with kicking his butt. Logain had a serious issue. 

    With no Shai'tan, the DR would have gone all out, use Callandor, game over.  The Power, skill and abilities of the DR is unmatched, expect in TAR.  The Forsaken are hardly a match for a farmboy, let alone LTT, forget about Rand Sedai. 

     

    Callandor, it has no buffer, at one point the amount of saidin wielded was greater than at the Cleansing (according to Logain's PoV).  He would smash Demandred and his little sa'angreal, full cirlce and his armies, main threat over.  Moridin of course will send reinforcements and come himself and get his ass whooped, again. Lanfear will get angry, throw a fit, make a futile attempt and die. Grandael and Moghdien will smartly flee in terror. Taim? Androl will finish him off, that sneaky little Gateway guy!

     

    After which, the DR would be dead tired from all the ass whooping and the Light forces would have to clean up the peasant leftovers, uh, Shadow followers. 

     

    With the final book done, there will be time for more ($$$). Rand Sedai will need to find and kill Grandael and Moghdien, those two sneaky little women (this could be whole other series!).  Mat and Tuon, Seanchan.  Lan and Nyaneve, rebuilding Malkier....etc


  6. No man can stand against 13.

     

    13 of the weakest AS in the Tower would wreck any man, according to Asmodean. "The thirteen weakest women in the Tower could overpower you OR ANY MAN, and barely breath hard". 

     

    Lanfear implied the same thing...since she threatend Rahvin with it.  And etc.

     

    13 AS shielded Rand in LoC, incredibly easily without any resistance, made LTT flee in terror.  Come AMOL, completely different story and Rand said he could go back and defeat Taim et al...however it would leave him too weak to face Shai'tan.  And of course Taim would have gotten his most powerful channelers to shield Rand. 

     

    Rand completely integrated with the Light side unlike LTT, this allows him special powers and abilities that LTT did not have.  And in the end, Rand does not even need the Power but bends reality with his will. 


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    Lastly of course, Rand lighting his pipe, the scene written by RJ. Rand Sedai has moved beyond LTT.

    No one has disputed that(ok maybe Élan has ;). In fact that is what I was saying, he came out of the confrontation at SG with new powers. He did not have those powers post VoG.

     

    Also saying what he did at Maradon would normally require a sa'ngreal is not only unsupported guess work, it goes against the Brandon quote which quite clearly discusses Rands power level and says he had been that strong since KoD.

     

    As for numbers, are you really trying to base any serious discussion off numbers for channelers in AMoL? We now groups flat out disappeared so there is no point in asking why Taim only used 13? Might as well ask why Avi has that pathetic skeleton crew and needs AS &WFs to form a small circle when there are thousands of WOs missing.

     

    Rand gained abilities after his awakening at Dragonmount, which are plainly evident. 

     

    Compare what Rand+25 other channelers did in KoD vs. what Rand by himself did at Maradon.  Did Brandon state that Rand is no more powerful than he was at KoD?


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    Same Angreal same full circle by Elaida AS and Rand could not prevent the shield in Carhien while he could hold off an arguably stronger shield in AMOL as it was led by Taim.

     

     

    That's because rand grew more powerful since book 6.

     

    Rand is fully knowldgeable about the power like his alter ego

     

    He was expecting it

     

    And he still barely fended it off.

     

    A few moments later had he not travelled he would have been shielded

     

    enteri,

     

    look we can sit here all day and say the circle taim was leading could have been 13 or a 72 circle. no one knows for a fact.

     

    What we do know is Lews therin telamon said you cant break a shield of 13.

     

    We have the word of asmodean

     

    You need to show me one instance in the book where rand broke through a circle of 13. You need to show me an instance where rand could not have been sheilded by a circle of 13

     

    I am waiting.

     

     

    You wait is over if you read AMOL: Rand fought off a circle of at least 13. 


  9. LoC:

     

    "Thirteen to link and WEAVE a shield no man could break...Thirteen to...Lews Therin FLED SCREAMING".

     

    And was it only 13 in AMOL? And why would Taim only use 13 when he had so many men and women channelers to spare? I always assumed it was only 13, but are rereading the scene, makes me doubt it. Would be a good question to ask Brandon. 

     

    If Taim had "AT LEAST" 36 Dreadlords according to Rand (one would think numerous Black Ajah) to just DISTRACT the DR (as stated in Rand's PoV), why would Taim use only 13 channelers to try to shield the DR when he had SO MANY at his disposal?  Plus Taim knew what Rand did in Maradon, which would normally require a sa'angreal. 

     

    Rand: "Light! That had to be a full circle". 

     

    Last battle comments:

     

    Einar: "Light help us...he's in a circle. A full circle".

     

    Egwene: Demandred is in a circle...Eyewitnesses say a full circle".

     

    Lastly of course, Rand lighting his pipe, the scene written by RJ.  Rand Sedai has moved beyond LTT. 


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    Rand has been affecting the Pattern, from apples to trees.  It is not mere tricks via OP that made DF's shied away or kill themselves in TOM, Egwene stating he would break the 13 shield etc.  We had this discussion prior to AMOL and I was proven correct, once again.

    Proven right once again? In relation to what?

     

    Most posters here and at TL agree about Brandon's band aid with the item of power at Maradon and about the "listening for the heart" trick.

     

    Edit: Also I find it humorous how many times you have harped on Egwene not knowing what she is talking about, Rand not needing here for anything at TG etc. Yet now in this instance with the shield, in which there really is no way for her to know what she was talking about you act as if it's word of god.

     

    @Finnnssss

     

    I'm talking about his powers after understanding the pattern during his confrontation with the DO at SG(pipe lighting). We have always been given a clear definition of how being ta'veren works and it certainly doesn't fall into that category. Ta'veren are a tool of the pattern, not the other way around. As for what was going on during his Dark Rand period the authors stated flat out he was responsible for food rotting etc.

    LOL@most posters

     

    Care to explain why DF's shied away from Rand, ones who were not in line of sight went mad and at least one committed suicide? The Light in his mind? Come now.

    :rolleyes:

     

    You have a hard time admitting you are wrong and continue on, endlessly, as if that would make any difference.  

     

    Yeah, I def agree that there's more going on with Rand's "powers" than just holding saidin and listening for heartbeats.

    I don't agree that Rand having the little fat man was a "band aid" for his display at Maradon. It was widely and immediately suspected he had an angreal we didn't know about right off the bat on that one.

     

    I don't think anyone will argue that BS is RJ or finished the series as well as RJ would have himself but when does "The Witch hunt" end?

    Not everything is a mistake, fan service or a band aid/cover up despite what some, who like to consider themselves far too often as "Hardcore fans",  like to call, what seems like everything, right out of the gate.

    Exactly.

     

    There are other hints before AMOL that Rand had ascended to new heights...Avienhda's children.  Rand Sedai is not a just repetition of LTT with better upbringing. 


  11. @Entreri

     

    Sorry to clarify by most I meant the posters that spend considerable time writing in depth theories. Dom, Davian 93, Terez etc. Now that doesn't make them correct, but it certainly shows you havent been proven right about anything(in fact I should we talk about who was right about the nature of the wheel and "last battle", or how about Rand needing Egwene despite your claims to the contrary ;). Especially when your point is contradicted by facts in AMol. Should be interesting to ask Brandon about.

     

     

    Rand needed Egwene as much as Mat, Perrin, Lan, Oliver...Nature of the Wheel?

     

    Trying to pivot? :rolleyes:

     

    Let's wait for more answers from Brandon and other stuff that is released.


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    He made apples grow, trees grow etc,

    That was due to the DR being one with the land.
    Of course. You need to take a holistic view. 
    No I have to take the view the authors told us is correct.
    You are good at ferreting out what the authors say, I give you that.

     

    Rand has been affecting the Pattern, from apples to trees.  It is not mere tricks via OP that made DF's shied away or kill themselves in TOM, Egwene stating he would break the 13 shield etc.  We had this discussion prior to AMOL and I was proven correct, once again.  So I don't want to harp on this.  I suggest you wait for the Encyclopedia for more evidence. 

     

    At the end of AMOL, he is neither ta'avern or has any access to the OP or TP, yet lights the pipe. 

     

     

    If rand could break a circle of thirteen why did he run away from taim's 13?

     

    he barely pushed it back

    Because Taim's 13 weren't trying to shield him?

     

     

    err they were

     

    read it again pal

     

    They were trying to shield him.  Of course they were also trying to kill him as well: "The other channelers wove to enchance the strom...it could strike Rand".

     

    Now according to Rand's PoV, the "full circle" was led by a man.  We know there is no need for a man to be in charge, unless it is to extend a size of a circle. This circle may have been larger than 13.

     

    If it was led by Taim, who is much stronger than any Aes Sedai, the Power of this full circle > one's faced at the WT.

     

    Rand's PoV, "at least three dozen" Dreadlords attacking him, and very likely similar number of females.  With those kind of numbers, it would have been foolish of Taim to just have a circle of 13, given what Rand did at Maradon.

     

     

     

    Dude you just playing semantics at the moment.

     

    it doesnt matter if it was thirteen or 72. the point is rand's alter ego lews therin telamon the dragon thought you cannot withstand a shield of 13. Whether it's led by taim or sorilea is besides the point.

     

    The onus is on you to proof that rand could break through a circle of thirteen.

    He stopped from being shielded by at least 13 channelers.

     

    Of course it matters.  A full circle of 72 would be many times more powerful than a circle of 13.  If he stopped a shield by 72, without any doubt he could have broken through 13. 

     

    Of course it matters who is in the circle. LOL.  Do you think the Power of 13 Forsaken linked is greater, equal  or less than 13 AS from the WT?


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    R.

    He made apples grow, trees grow etc,

    That was due to the DR being one with the land.
    Of course. You need to take a holistic view. 
    No I have to take the view the authors told us is correct.
    You are good at ferreting out what the authors say, I give you that.

     

    Rand has been affecting the Pattern, from apples to trees.  It is not mere tricks via OP that made DF's shied away or kill themselves in TOM, Egwene stating he would break the 13 shield etc.  We had this discussion prior to AMOL and I was proven correct, once again.  So I don't want to harp on this.  I suggest you wait for the Encyclopedia for more evidence. 

     

    At the end of AMOL, he is neither ta'avern or has any access to the OP or TP, yet lights the pipe. 

     

     

    If rand could break a circle of thirteen why did he run away from taim's 13?

     

    he barely pushed it back

    Because Taim's 13 weren't trying to shield him?

     

     

    err they were

     

    read it again pal

     

    They were trying to shield him.  Of course they were also trying to kill him as well: "The other channelers wove to enchance the strom...it could strike Rand".

     

    Now according to Rand's PoV, the "full circle" was led by a man.  We know there is no need for a man to be in charge, unless it is to extend a size of a circle. This circle may have been larger than 13.

     

    If it was led by Taim, who is much stronger than any Aes Sedai, the Power of this full circle > one's faced at the WT.

     

    Rand's PoV, "at least three dozen" Dreadlords attacking him, and very likely similar number of females.  With those kind of numbers, it would have been foolish of Taim to just have a circle of 13, given what Rand did at Maradon.


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    Rand has been affecting the Pattern, from apples to trees.  It is not mere tricks via OP that made DF's shied away or kill themselves in TOM, Egwene stating he would break the 13 shield etc.  We had this discussion prior to AMOL and I was proven correct, once again.

    Proven right once again? In relation to what?

     

    Most posters here and at TL agree about Brandon's band aid with the item of power at Maradon and about the "listening for the heart" trick.

     

    Edit: Also I find it humorous how many times you have harped on Egwene not knowing what she is talking about, Rand not needing here for anything at TG etc. Yet now in this instance with the shield, in which there really is no way for her to know what she was talking about you act as if it's word of god.

     

    @Finnnssss

     

    I'm talking about his powers after understanding the pattern during his confrontation with the DO at SG(pipe lighting). We have always been given a clear definition of how being ta'veren works and it certainly doesn't fall into that category. Ta'veren are a tool of the pattern, not the other way around. As for what was going on during his Dark Rand period the authors stated flat out he was responsible for food rotting etc.

    LOL@most posters

     

    Care to explain why DF's shied away from Rand, ones who were not in line of sight went mad and at least one committed suicide? The Light in his mind? Come now.

    :rolleyes:

     

    You have a hard time admitting you are wrong and continue on, endlessly, as if that would make any difference.  


  15. Too bad we did not get to see more in depth battles at the BT.  For several books it was building up and a was a let down. 

     

    Those 500 or so Asha'man along with about 2000 Wise Ones went into a mirror world.  Why? Because they felt like it. That is boss.  F Rand Al'Talk, Shit'stain and the "Last" Battle. 

     

    Light Side of the Force = Dark Side of the Force. Bringing BALANCE TO THE FORCE!

     

    _Yoda singing off, Hammer time baby!


  16. The Creator can be killed just like Shai'tan.   

     

    What would it require? Saidin and Saidar by themselves may not be sufficient...Look what happened when saidin was used against Shai'tan.

     

    Saidin+Saidar+TP of Shai'tan or Creator = Death of either entity.  At the end, Rand was wielding more Power than he was at the Cleansing or even Dragonmount and it burned him out.  Also the fact that it appears he was also drawing "all" of the TP via Moridin. 


  17. Top battles:

     

    1/ Lan vs. Demandred

    2/ Perrin vs. Slayer

    3/ Lan vs. 2 Myddraal

    4/ Demandred vs. Gawyn

    5/ Demandred vs. Galad

     

    Lan was more pivotal than Mat in the Light vs. Shadow. Without taking out Demandred, the Light forces were doomed at FoM and I think Mat mentions this in his PoV. 

     

    Rand vs. Shai'tan sucked, same with Rand vs. Moridin, Mat vs. Fain.  Grandael vs. Teams was good. 

     

    What the entire series lacked was a prolonged epic Power battle...I was hoping Moridin or Demandred would provide that vs. Rand. 

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