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  1. Nah, you have to read the other POVs.  If you don't you miss too much.

     

    I understand it is frustrating.  Huge amounts of the Wonder Girls' POVs could have been significantly compressed.  The whole road trip with the menagerie could have been handled in about 12 pages with no loss of meaning.  ANd the same is true of much of Perrin's search for Faile.  

     

    But you really will miss the 300 important words mixed in amongst those 10,000 words, if you don't read all POVs. (or is it PsOV?)

  2. An excellent question.  This was not handled well, IMO.

     

    It is seldom satisfying, and may even be offensive, when something horrible happening to a character is treated as noting more than fodder for the character development of another character.

     

    An example of this is in Game of Thrones, where the show was criticized, correctly in my opinion, for viewing Sansa's rape primarily through Reek's eyes, and treating it as something that impacts Reek, when obviously the impact on Sansa is far greater.

     

    Something of the same happens here.

     

    Nothing about Gawyn's death matters, except that it spurs Egwene's actions.

  3. As Randsc said, none of us really denies Egwene or the WTs importance in TG, but they kinda need to get knocked down a few pegs.

     

    Dude seriously what books have you been reading? How much lower can they go? They quite obviously have bottomed out.

     

    Dude, they need to REALIZE that. The first step is acknowledging you have a problem...

  4. There are hundreds of statements she made about others ridiculing them for their actions or behaviors, most of them could be applied to her! I suppose other times of her reflecting has been mentioned in this thread?

     

    Wouldn't you say that applies to Nynaeve far more accurately? That is her stchick after all.

     

    People will always find the big gentle giant dim-witted. It's natural to suppose someone who moves and acts with caution is stupid. It's a stereotype that applies here too.

     

    I can speak for myself(and knowing David's posting history I'm guessing him as well) in saying that has absolutely nothing to do with it. There was no subtlety involved, in fact RJ hit us over the head with a sledgehammer in showing that not to be the case. I can't imagine anyone applying that stereotype after the first few books.

     

    Have a chat with Elan :wink:

  5. I'm sorry Kael, but I can't hear you over the sound of my own laughter, as I watch the vid of the King's scoreboard interspersing clips of Kesler and springboard divers.

     

    Perrin is ta'veren. His un- (or even super-) natural progress is explained within the magic system of the series. Egwene's is not. It really isn't a difficult concept.

  6. You'll acknowledge, certainly, that reflection and self-criticism are not strong suits? Sure, you can find examples of both, but even in the example you give above, her POV does reveal a certain arrogance, no? Her "mistake" is in being too tolerant of Suian's independent action? "If only I had provided her with more of my wise guidance..."

  7. Right, the ta'veren aspect moves those characters more into the "magic" realm, and makes their sudden super-competence less jarring. But I think Suttree is right; the sudden development of military leadership is more jarring with Perrin than with, for example, Mat. Because Mat's is more easily explained with the "magic" elements of the books. On the other hand, Perrin's development of facility in TAR isn't jarring, because there the "magic" associated with Perrin has been developed thoughout the books.

     

    One other thing about Perrin's arc is that he might become, inexplicably, better than his opponents at certain things, but those opponents don't suddenly become idiots. The Aiel can still fight, for example. The Aes Sedai Egwene faces, on the other hand, can barely feed themselves.

     

    This is also why I find Elayne's development less difficult to swallow than Egwene's. At least Elayne has a lifetime of training to explain her political skills. My dirty little secret, as the board's official Egwene-Hater-In-Chief, is that I started out as much more of an Elayne-hater. But I now find Elayne (barely) tolerable, and really don't care for Egwene all that much.

  8. The whole thing with the super girls is really weird. How difficult can it be to learn the OP if 3 girls can become experts with less than an year of training!!

     

    What the hell were the AoL AS doing training and studying for hundreds of years or even the 3 rd age AS studying decades when 3 girls can become masters in less than an year?. It is the same with the Ash'aman. They are walking bombs with about 2 years of training?. It is not even believable even for fantasy.

     

    Rand also learns really quickly but atleast he has an AOL master in his head giving out instructions.

     

    The Supergirls learning magic quickly really doesn't bother me. And if you think about it, you seldom see criticism of them in regards to their abilities with the Power. Why? Because it's magic. By definition, unrealistic and requiring a suspension of disbelief.

     

    What is harder to stomache is their sudden abilities in more mundane areas. The notion that Egwene would suddenly be such an able politician (and strategist, and logician, and lawyer) as to be able to easily best women who have studied those areas for hundreds of years requires just too much of a suspension of disbelief, for me.

  9. I would say that we don't yet know if the character is well written. It depends on what we see in the final book in the way of character development. As things stand, she is the epitome of a Mary Sue, to a much greater extent than any of the other characters. but it may well be that she is being set up for further development, possibly at Merilor.

  10. My username is my wife's first initial "R", the word "and", my first initial "S", and our last initial "C". Not sure how that proves anything. Perhaps you could explain?

     

    If you're still denying that Rand al'Thor is a messianic archetype, I just don't know what to say to you.

     

    Your entire post proves my point. You have a really incredible level of emotional investment in the awesomeness of Egwene.

     

    I'd like to ask you a serious question, Elan: How old are you?

  11. Most bad ass would be if she turned. Which would be consistent with the WoT-as-retelling-of-Authurian-legend theme. And would make her probably my favorite character. Which she currently...isn't, quite.

     

    but what if she murders rand and nyneve in the process? ;)

     

    That would be fine. Rand, in particular, is clearly going to die. And I don't know that we need happy endings for all. This is the difference between people like you and Kael and most of the rest of us. You're so invested with your love for a particular character that you will only be satisfied by that character's complete triumph and universal acknowledgement of her awesomeness. Nynaeve happens to be my favorite character currently, but if she dies, so be it.

     

    she could be thirteen thirteened but that is just going to hand us lot more ammunition as to how incompetent she really is and even I do not want that lol

     

    You do not heal a broken tower by being incompetent ;)

     

    No, you heal it through amazingly contrived idiocy on the part of your adversaries, combined with Mary-Sue-ness, all amounting to something barely short of deus ex machina. "Egwene saved the Tower, because."

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