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  2. He needs to be a fully formed character before he takes his dark turn, IMO. Your position assumes that they haven’t planned ahead. I think they have. Just as the whole “it could be a boy or a girl” thing was a piece of incorrect information that was used in service of demonstrating just how out of her depth Moiraine was, I believe many of the changes are meant to be paid off later.
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  4. Thanks for the well thought out response. In regards to the wound, I see the wound as a direct reference to Jesus Christ and a symbol of Rand agreeing to suffer for the world. Drops of blood on Shayol Gul is very evocative. Losing that loses a lot. A major part of Rand's arc is that he embraces the fact that he will die but it will be worth it to save the world and the people he loves. It has to be a choice. In general, I think order matters at least a little bit and you can't just put some of this stuff back in later. If we go to Rhuidean without ever going to Tear, that's a big change. Callandor is kind of important. The arches in Tear are pretty important, too (to both Rand and Mat). But even if you could just fit it all back in, I'm just not optimistic that the showrunners care to do it. If they thought it was important, they would have just done it right the first time. They've already shown they don't think it's important, so why would we expect them to put in more creative effort to bring it back? I guess a bit of wait and see, but I'm not optimistic. In any case, why is Dumai's Wells the cutoff for Rand learning the sword? I would have put the cutoff at Falme if we were talking about a blank slate series since that is where he does the most with a sword and also where Tam's sword gets broken. By Rhuidean, he has stopped using swords entirely for actual fighting.
  5. To interject, I think it is always strange why those who do not like the series always gloss over how many fans of the books hated the first three (or some of at least) books. And how many fantasy diehards started the series and gave up. And how the book teases the concept of the Dragon, teaching the reader a little bit at a time with huge doses of unreliable narrator with only Rand's uneducated view point. How would that work when the press releases for the series say "A new Amazon prime show about the Dragon Reborn, the most powerful magic-wielder of all-time come back to save the world and destroy it! Moiraine is an Aes Sedai sworn to protect the Dragon from the evil Dark One trying to destroy the world! Oh by the way if you are going to watch it, forget what I just said. I mean, it could be about a lot of things. Nothing saying Rand is the Dragon just because he is the main character. I mean, maybe the Dragon hasn't been reborn, thought of that, huh? Don't just go jumping to conclusions!". So many things had to be changed. Judging it by simply how accurate it is to the book was always going to be an exercise in frustration.
  6. you think it's possible to condense the story just by removing some parts while leaving the rest identical? you think it's possible to remove info dumps without adding other story elements to convey the same information? a lot of those changes were ways to condense the show or to explain stuff by showing. making the ef5 older skips some early character development. expanding role for logain shows all the stuff with man wielding power and false dragons. the tar valon stuff happened anyway, they just moved it earlier. perrin killing his wife was made to exteriorize his internal conflict. stepin was there to show how the warder bond works, to provide tension for lan once his own bond is broken. whether those changes were effective or not is another matter. but saying that they have no reasons behind them is just plain wrong.
  7. I’m not sure I follow. What “choice in his own suffering” are you referring to? In any event, I think that there are still some opportunities for him to sheathe the sword before he goes Darth Rand - possibly in the Waste. I don’t know that we know this. He really hasn’t shown us any “powers” yet. Something happened when he blew the horn, but we aren’t sure what. And we don’t know that the Finn have been cut. This one makes the least sense to me. How is Thom and Moiraine’s relationship fundamental? There are plenty of reasons to go rescue Mo and plenty of time for Thom to develop a relationship with her. Nothing about their history together has been foreclosed by the story they’ve told so far. Rand has to go to Rhuidean and be named Car’a’carn. Egwene has to learn from the Wise Ones. Perrin has to return to the Two Rivers and unite them. Siuan must be deposed. Nyn and Elayne must become exiles. Mat has to visit the Finn. Removing the Finn entirely would be a huge blow to the fundamental structure of the novels. Asmo (or another Forsaken) needs to train Rand with the Power and Lan must train him with the sword before Dumai’s Wells. (I suspect both will happen in S3)
  8. I've listed a lot of fundamental changes on this forum in the past, but here are a few: --I think that Rand not getting his wound through sheathing the sword is a fundamental change because it changes the choice that he has in his own suffering and arc. And there is really no reason that this change had to be made. Doing it the way it was in the book doesn't put any more constraints on the production. --I think that making Matt's power not based on his Finn trips makes him a completely different type of hero. --I think that Min is a completely different person in the show and I don't think Rand can have the same arc without Min being Min. --Thom not meeting Moiraine fundamentally changes how things can play out (although if there are no Finns, this doesn't matter as much. But no Finns is a big deal). Of course, you can always argue that anything isn't fundamental. In the coming season, what are some things that you think have to happen in order to avoid changing the plot and structure fundamentally? As in, will you commit to saying that if x doesn't happen, that's a fundamental change? What is x?
  9. I suppose that is a matter of opinion. I always hated Lanfear (in the way that one does hate a villain, meaning I think she is a good villain). I thought that her neck getting snapped was a perfect ending. It subverts her belief that she is special and better than other people. It's a sort of put your pants on one leg at a time like everybody else. It proves that the shadow doesn't really protect its own and that the control she thought she had was an illusion.
  10. It repairs an otherwise terrible ending for Lanfear. I feel like that has to count for "adding something".
  11. What FUNDAMENTAL changes have been made? Not plot points being shifted or character origins being changed. I’m talking changes to the overall plot and structure.
  12. The fact that the story has been fundamentally altered means the story has been fundamentally altered.
  13. It is far more than “tangentially connected”. The fact that you hate the changes doesn’t mean that the overall story has been fundamentally altered.
  14. The intention was to use the name and proper nouns from WoT to make up a story. Maybe you think it's a good story. But it's not a good WoT series because it's only tangentially connected to actual WoT.
  15. This is laughable. Of course they wanted to make a good WoT series. Whether they succeeded or not is a matter of opinion, but they clearly didn’t set out to make a flop.
  16. I’m not sure this tracks. The ratings information we have available shows WoT as comparable to other fantasy shows. You can certainly make the case that it’s not had the ROI Amazon wants, given the expense (a question that will be answered by the decision whether to green light Season 4), but the idea that it’s been some sort of ratings disaster is vastly overstated. It also bears repeating that the ratings information available to us does not reflect the international market, about which Amazon cares a great deal.
  17. Unfortunately, the ratings info suggests they underperformed on audience size. The show would have had higher numbers if they chased the book audience.
  18. Agreed. I do not think the intent was to make a good WoT series. They wanted the name and then wanted to write their own story. They do not care about internal consistency even within their own interpretation.
  19. I completely disagree. The majority of changes have nothing to do with the internal monologues. They flat out change the plots and characters. We did not need all the Logain stuff in season 1. We did not need the Warder funeral. We did not need any of the Tar Valon stuff. It did not quicken or advance the plot of Eye of the World. Those items were sheer waste of space in an 8 episode season. Also, there are plenty of books that can be largely relegated to an episode or two (Book 10 for instance). There are huge sections that can be cut out and have zero effect on the plot. Rafe chose to cut out the good sections and fill it with his fan fiction.
  20. Brandon Sanderson was live with the Dusty Wheel on the AMOL 10 year anniversary and revealed a certain thing about the ending that made a lot of people go kinda floompy. You can find it on YouTube as well. But I don't think you missed it. It's got to do with Lanfear's part in the ending.
  21. I’m curious, what recent podcast? I’m not current with the podcast scene
  22. Except the changes that were made to the show were not needed to condense the show. I'm sure it's been talked about here but most of the changes don't add any value. Making the EF5 older at the start when we already knew this show, if completed, was going to take 16 years. Perrin having and killing his wife left no room to develop him in season 1 because how do you comeback from that. Changing Mat's character and family fundamentally added nothing of value except ruin a lot of people's favorite character. The jumping off a cliff scene with Nyn and Eggy while I understand the point and imagery that time could have been better used showing the myrdral stalking the boys. The who is the DR was over played for no good reason and with that distracted from the world building and character development. Rosamund Pike is a good Moiraine but having her as the biggest actor when she isn't even in half the books was a mistake. Showing the fight at Edmods was a waste of resources and not very well done. As you said the budget and time is limited and they wasted it. You have 64 episodes to tell a story that spans 14 books new spring is a prequel so should be ignored. That's 4.5 hours a book to take the innocent kids from EF to TG. There's a lot of material that needs to be cut to achieve that goal adding original scene that are pointless (Stefin) or have a better in world scene too achieve the same thing (Perrin's frozen wife vs killing WC's after Hopper is killed). The show is full of questionable to bad decisions in the first season. They completely punted the finale, I know that covid and Mat's actor not returning were hurdles that they needed to overcome, it still shows that they lack the creativity, and understanding of the source material to make a pivot to tell a good story.
  23. Yesterday
  24. Huh, I feel like an idiot for not thinking about this. 🤣
  25. Just to be sure... Checking the latest data... Nielsen, Feb 12 – Feb 18 Again, no data regarding Amazon's WOT...
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