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  3. It is far more than “tangentially connected”. The fact that you hate the changes doesn’t mean that the overall story has been fundamentally altered.
  4. The intention was to use the name and proper nouns from WoT to make up a story. Maybe you think it's a good story. But it's not a good WoT series because it's only tangentially connected to actual WoT.
  5. This is laughable. Of course they wanted to make a good WoT series. Whether they succeeded or not is a matter of opinion, but they clearly didn’t set out to make a flop.
  6. I’m not sure this tracks. The ratings information we have available shows WoT as comparable to other fantasy shows. You can certainly make the case that it’s not had the ROI Amazon wants, given the expense (a question that will be answered by the decision whether to green light Season 4), but the idea that it’s been some sort of ratings disaster is vastly overstated. It also bears repeating that the ratings information available to us does not reflect the international market, about which Amazon cares a great deal.
  7. Unfortunately, the ratings info suggests they underperformed on audience size. The show would have had higher numbers if they chased the book audience.
  8. Agreed. I do not think the intent was to make a good WoT series. They wanted the name and then wanted to write their own story. They do not care about internal consistency even within their own interpretation.
  9. I completely disagree. The majority of changes have nothing to do with the internal monologues. They flat out change the plots and characters. We did not need all the Logain stuff in season 1. We did not need the Warder funeral. We did not need any of the Tar Valon stuff. It did not quicken or advance the plot of Eye of the World. Those items were sheer waste of space in an 8 episode season. Also, there are plenty of books that can be largely relegated to an episode or two (Book 10 for instance). There are huge sections that can be cut out and have zero effect on the plot. Rafe chose to cut out the good sections and fill it with his fan fiction.
  10. Brandon Sanderson was live with the Dusty Wheel on the AMOL 10 year anniversary and revealed a certain thing about the ending that made a lot of people go kinda floompy. You can find it on YouTube as well. But I don't think you missed it. It's got to do with Lanfear's part in the ending.
  11. I’m curious, what recent podcast? I’m not current with the podcast scene
  12. Except the changes that were made to the show were not needed to condense the show. I'm sure it's been talked about here but most of the changes don't add any value. Making the EF5 older at the start when we already knew this show, if completed, was going to take 16 years. Perrin having and killing his wife left no room to develop him in season 1 because how do you comeback from that. Changing Mat's character and family fundamentally added nothing of value except ruin a lot of people's favorite character. The jumping off a cliff scene with Nyn and Eggy while I understand the point and imagery that time could have been better used showing the myrdral stalking the boys. The who is the DR was over played for no good reason and with that distracted from the world building and character development. Rosamund Pike is a good Moiraine but having her as the biggest actor when she isn't even in half the books was a mistake. Showing the fight at Edmods was a waste of resources and not very well done. As you said the budget and time is limited and they wasted it. You have 64 episodes to tell a story that spans 14 books new spring is a prequel so should be ignored. That's 4.5 hours a book to take the innocent kids from EF to TG. There's a lot of material that needs to be cut to achieve that goal adding original scene that are pointless (Stefin) or have a better in world scene too achieve the same thing (Perrin's frozen wife vs killing WC's after Hopper is killed). The show is full of questionable to bad decisions in the first season. They completely punted the finale, I know that covid and Mat's actor not returning were hurdles that they needed to overcome, it still shows that they lack the creativity, and understanding of the source material to make a pivot to tell a good story.
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  14. Huh, I feel like an idiot for not thinking about this. 🤣
  15. Just to be sure... Checking the latest data... Nielsen, Feb 12 – Feb 18 Again, no data regarding Amazon's WOT...
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  17. But again you were saying that he cares little for the money however this is the man whose policies forced his employees to wear nappies, pee in water bottles and not wear seat belts, and some of his work sites have 100%+ turnover rates. I fully agree that his reputation in certain areas is very important to him.
  18. You’re right his job was far from perfect. Along with it being an afront to interpretive integrity it is loaded with external elements that reeks of all the buzzwords that would keep this comment from being approved on here. I resent that someone did that to a story that I love. You would think that with the limitations he had (as you mentioned) that he would have spent less time completely changing entire personalities of characters and more time working with what was already there and was good.
  19. I know, you never intended to be in this world. But you’re in it all the same. So why not get started immediately. I mean, belonging to it. There is so much to admire, to weep over. And to write music or poems about. Bless the feet that take you to and fro. Bless the eyes and the listening ears. Bless the tongue, the marvel of taste. Bless touching. You could live a hundred years, it’s happened. Or not. I am speaking from the fortunate platform of many years, none of which, I think, I ever wasted. Do you need a prod? Do you need a little darkness to get you going? Let me be as urgent as a knife, then, and remind you of Keats, so single of purpose and thinking, for a while, he had a lifetime. ~Mary Oliver (Book: Blue Horses)
  20. so, you clearly are a serious fan; let's assume that you are given a big bunch of money to adapt wot. oh, but you have to fit everything in no more than 8 seasons of 8 episodes of 50 minutes each - meaning you've got three hours for each book. 100 millions for the first season seems a lot, but once you start hiring all the actors and the troupe and work on the set, most of it has already vanished. and you've got to replace all the info dumps and internal monologues with something that works on screen. rafe's job was far from perfect, but all the changes were caused by immense external constraints.
  21. I am/was- Cape Town. Been in Nebraska since 2013.
  22. Amazon may not have the movie rights so there are options. It just depends on how things are structured.
  23. I'm not saying he's a benevolent force or superfan. It's more a consideration of reputation (personal and for his streaming service) and ego. I just don't think that Bezos would part with the rights for WoT for an amount of money that wold reflect the economic value that someone else could get from them. He would jack up the price in order to compensate for the perceived harm to his own brands and that increase in price would make this an unviable venture economically speaking. So if someone wants to buy WoT from Bezos, they have to do that for a reason other than wanting to make money.
  24. As far as the unexplained crop growth around Ramd...strange that no one considered that he was just Singing [as in the Song of Growing].). He freely admits to as much when he goes to visit Mat and Tuon in Ebou Dar. As far as the other events prior to TG, Ta'veren twisting is most likely.
  25. Are you also from South Africa, Wynand?
  26. For a serious fan, Rafe seems unable to understand the source material. His adaptation changes things radically and not just to fit it on the screen. His team makes up a lot of content that never appeared in the book.
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