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  2. This is definitely something I've always seen as one of the bigger challenges, because it could be incredibly cheesy.
  3. He can be useful in the series as being built up as a good guy and then betraying Rand in a much more personal way. Maybe he even helps Galina capture him. Although then having Egwene still love him is problematic.
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  5. It was in a time of peace, but once she reached Taren Ferry then she was outside her own area. It was more the fact that no one particularly thought she was in any danger that was one example of a PG-13 world to me. Just one example really among many of a different mindset pertaining in WOT world. War and combat does not make a series adult on its own. The Hobbit has many such scenes in and is intended to be read by ages ten and up. It is not necessarily a bad thing. I have reread WOT a number of times more than GOT precisely because it is a more relaxing world to spend time in.
  6. Thank you. I'm just really busy. The car is fixed at least.
  7. ah, he could've been good but after the tower he falls off a cliff
  8. ...she looked around in bemusement. This wasn't her room. She wasn't entirely sure how she knew that, but she was as certain of it as she was of her own name. Kiyi looked down at herself feeling even more perplexed. She was far less certain of why she was naked. Or of how she'd come to be in this room in the first place. Whatever was going on, she had to remain calm. It would never do to show any panic or lack of confidence. A second glance around showed a neat pile of clothing lying on the end of the small bed at the far side of the spacious room. Surely that hadn't been there before? She shrugged, dismissing the oddity. Not my choice of colour, but it will do. Kiyi walked to the bed, nothing in her gait suggesting she was in any rush to cover her nudity, and took some care in donning the shift, the drab, beige coloured dress and the stockings she found. A neat appearance is a sign of a tidy mind. Who had told her that? Memories seemed to evade her grasp. Turning the handle of the sturdy oak door, Kiyi exited the room and walked straight out into a central courtyard area under a dull, rain laden sky. The walls on all sides were windowless, broken only by a single archway in each leading the Creator only knew where. The middle of the square held only one thing; a raised wooden platform, reached by a single set of steps, large enough to hold several nooses, all attached to a huge, solid beam affixed at either end of the structure. Two of those nooses were currently placed around necks. Whitecloaks. Kiyi's mind spat the word out as she looked at the men on the platform and those around the courtyard. She moved forward to join the back of the crowd, only to halt abruptly, recognising the faces of the prisoners in horror. Mother! Aunt! Her heartbeat picked up, sweat slicking her palms, but she showed nothing outwardly to those people gathered in front of the platform. "You are convicted as darkfriends and sentenced to die Under the Light," one of the Children stated solemnly, his unbelievable words falling on Kiyi's appalled ears. How could this be? Her mother's frantic gaze spotted her amongst the sea of faces. "Kiyi! Help me!" the older woman begged, eyes wild. Kiyi opened her mouth to reply, certain that channeling wasn't an option, but stopped before the words could form, glancing to the side as a shimmer caught her eye. A six pointed star lay beside one of the archways. She immediately walked towards it at a measured pace, propelled by some unseen force, and once standing on it, embraced saidar. In seconds she was weaving with threads of Air, and, equally quickly, was splitting that weave. She sliced through the ropes of the nooses at her mother's and aunt's necks just as one of the men kicked the stool out from under Margaere's feet. A silver-blue disc the size of a small coin plopped into her palm as she heard the stool hit the ground...and another six-pointed star appeared at the opposite side of the courtyard. She had to go through it. She had to go now! Her feet led her inexorably towards the star, not rushing, not lagging, thankful Margaere was safe. The satisfaction was short lived. At the rope's apparent failure, the same Child who had kicked the stool away, drew his sword and sliced open Margaere's throat; at precisely the moment Kiyi's foot hit the star. Her heart felt like it was tearing into tiny pieces at the vision imprinted on her mind's eye... ... and her delicately boned fingers touched the tears rolling down her cheek. Her body shook with the force of her sadness. Sadness over what? Her mind was blank when it attempted to establish the source of the powerful grief.
  9. The journey downwards into the depths of the Tower seemed to Kiyi to be far quicker than her last visit. No word was spoken throughout the journey and she knew she must remain silent. Instead she occupied her anxious mind with emulating the Mistress of Novice's confident, stately bearing and simultaneously keeping her features expressionless. Years of further training made her more self controlled, if no less lacking in confidence, than her Novice self had been. The lofty corridors were well lit and surprisingly dust free; or perhaps not so surprising when she recalled how persnickety some Sisters could be about their silk dresses. Dusty hems would never do! When their strange little procession reached the lowest level, a pair of massive doors, that wouldn't have been amiss adorning some fortress, barred their way. Larindhra Sedai channeled them open and, though they moved slowly, they made no sound. Once Kiyi could actually see the chamber within, she tried to look everywhere without appearing to do so. It was a large, circular, domed room, ringed around with stand-lamps which shone rather dazzlingly off the white stone walls. After the dimness of the passages, the brightness was a shock, straining her already tired eyes. Directly beneath the dome, in the exact centre of the room, stood the great oval ring ter’angreal. It was well over a span high giving sufficient room for any woman to walk through. Kiyi tried not to be distracted by the way it glittered with swirling colors in the lamplight. “Attend,” Larindhra Sedai intoned, bringing Kiyi's full attention back to the matter at hand, and to the other Aes Sedai present. One Sister from each Ajah, wearing their shawls like a pointed reminder of what was at stake here. They who moved smoothly into a circle around both Kiyi and Larindhra. Kiyi knew that every look, every movement, every reaction was being judged. Had been judged from the second she walked in. Calling on her own sense of control, she gathered serenity around herself. “You come in ignorance, Kiyissalle Chevra. How would you depart?” Larindhra demanded. “In knowledge of myself.” Kiyi modulated her voice carefully, relieved to hear very little rasp in it this day. “For what reason have you been summoned here?” “To be tried.” “For what reason should you be tried?” “So that I may learn whether I am worthy.” Kiyi's voice grew more firm, became strong. She wanted this. “For what would you be found worthy?” “To wear the shawl.” She was going to have this. She was. Whatever it took. Kiyi instantly began to undress, following the ritual as she'd been taught she must, while Larindhra's rich voice spoke the final word. She would be tested while clad in the Light, a symbolic gesture but an important one. Larindhra continued with the ceremony. “Therefore I will instruct you. You will see this sign upon the ground.” The woman channeled, drawing a six pointed star in the air in front of Kiyi just as that young woman felt a weave touch the back of her skull. She fought to keep the shock from her face. That had never been mentioned in her training but she couldn't be seen to be surprised. Calm. Kiyi breathed slowly. Another Sister spoke, taking up the rhythmic counterpoint to Larindhra's explanations, “Remember what must be remembered.” “When you see that sign, you will go to it immediately, at a steady pace, neither hurrying nor hanging back, and only then may you embrace the Power. The weaving required must begin immediately, and you may not leave that sign until it is completed.” “Remember what must be remembered.” “When the weave is complete, you will see that sign again, marking the way you must go, again at a steady pace, without hesitation.” “Remember what must be remembered.” “One hundred times will you weave, in the order you have been given and in perfect composure.” “Remember what must be remembered.” The weave the other Sister had created settled into Kiyi, a strange sensation almost like Healing, then all of the Sisters except Larindhra moved their circle around the ter’angreal. They knelt on the stone floor, channeling in concert, weaving a complex pattern of all five powers, and concentrating wholly on the task. She finished undressing calmly, aware that the Mistress of Novices was watching everything she did, and removed her Great Serpent ring last of all. She placed it tidily on top of the pile of her belongings. The middle of the ring became a sheet of white all of a sudden and seemed to absorb the light of the lamps, dimming the rest of the chamber in comparison, before slowly begin to revolve on its base. There was just silence in the room; no scraping sound, nothing to indicate such a huge object was even moving. Too late for doubts now. I have to be ready. There's no option for failure here. Kiyi took a surreptitious breath of preparation and walked steadily to the ring, stepping into the whiteness and….
  10. Pre-timeline will be easier with Conor and Carra for me. (all the c names!) Although i'd prefer playing just one character, so take your pick. Smart-ass tower guard, or silent but deadly red.
  11. I agree, but there's an even sadder part to your point about GoT. They actually DID have the balls to cast groups that were believably interrelated. The Lannisters looked like Lannisters, People of Dorn share many traits, Dothraki look similar (although with more variance due to their lifestyle of raid, etc.) One of the things that tipped people off about Joffrey's illegitimate status was his different coloring. Those producers weren't trying to make a YA that catered to all audiences. They were willing to make tough choices and face uncomfortable subject matter (which, in some part was why audiences found it so shockingly refreshing). I don't know if the people at Amazon don't care and just want to cast as broad a net as possible or if the actual showrunners feel this way, but I truly worry about this show.
  12. HAhaha. No problem. I don't really have a strong preference of when it's done. Though if we do it current timeline, perhaps even an Asha'man could get involved, if he wanted to.
  13. Don't mind me, I'm having a brain fart. It's after 3am here. I'm forgetting that a Sister's normal lifespan is longer than normal folks. Also for some reason best known to myself, my brain translated "before the Books timeline" into like the equivalent of AoL. You can absolutely do it on the Retro board. As you were!
  14. I’m so sorry to hear about your mother’s passing, Lily! You’re in our thoughts. Then to have other troubles at the same time only makes things seem extra bad. This sounds like an awful time for you! Let us know if you need to talk about things. That may help ease some of the stress!
  15. Oh are we no longer allowed to Retro-RP? Or should I have stated that ahead of time? Ah, I rather just do it in the current timeline then 🙂
  16. If it's pre-books then remember it's not part of the official PSW and you'll need to RP it on the Turnings of the Wheel board. Which also means it has no impact on the WT records. So you can have whatever objects of Power you like.
  17. Lily, look for something on Craigs list or use CarGurus. James, excellent news!!!
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  19. Haven't read the whole topic. Just came here to post this. It's one of my only major gripes with the books. They should have been annihilated at Dumai's Wells. They were only kept around so Perrin would have something to do while the others caught up. Agree with others that Morgase can be killed by Rahvin permanently. I would not be shocked if Loial was cut from the story. Not saying he should be - but it would be kind of a hassle to create him and his role wasn't vital to the story. As far as waygates and steddings (if they even mention them), they could find a way to just say the Aes Sedai are the experts on those but have lost most of their knowledge on them and leave it at that. No. Although it was nice having someone for Gawyn and Elayne to argue with when they met Rand and add a bit of drama to that part. But a guard can come in and do that. And Berelain can be removed as well unless they want to keep the drama of her and Faile fighting over Perrin. He had a lot of potential though. They could probably combine Gawyn with Galad. Him being part of Elaida's tower could be made into some really good additional scenes that weren't in the books. A good TV show needs characters like Gawyn to annoy us. He went from a favorite character to someone people hate, and stories need those people.
  20. I think guesses on how they'll plot out the episodes would make a great topic on its own. You should post it (if it hasn't already been done).
  21. Car shopping was a complete disaster. Right off the bat we find something he absolutely loves. He couldn't get approved for financing. He was crushed. The next lot we went to had nothing that we even liked. The third lot (by now he is getting really tired and overheated and his autism-induced anger is taking over) tried to put him into this horrible Camry. The finance guy was all cheerful (Here you go! Your first car! Enjoy it, buddy!... stuff like that) which made him even more angry. What a huge waste of time! And of course, our stress levels are really high now. At least he's sleeping now. Good for you, James!
  22. I've been learning Spanish on Duolingo for a while now.
  23. I've read all of both series, and to be honest, in the books, A Song of Ice and Fire isn't really that horrifying and brutal, no more so than Dumai's Wells. Sure, Martin actually throws the vulgar language into quote marks (while Jordan only puts his made up vulgarity into quotes, and then punts the actual vulgarity into "Uno voiced some choice words that made so-and-so blush" type stuff). And yes, Martin does include the rape which happens in the real world, and especially during medieval wartime, but he never actually focuses on it, or describes it in detail or anything. The media, and to an extent the television show, have blown all of those issues out of proportion in my opinion. Especially people who for whatever reason have some issue with the books, taking the fact that rapes are mentioned or referred to in the books and turning that into "the books have THIS MANY rapes in them" which is utter Trolloc excrement. I was watching a BookTuber recently who read a quote saying something like over 200 rapes in the five books of the series so far, and I was like WTFrak?!?!? because I would remember something like that (I'm a rape survivor, I wouldn't handle a series with that many rapes, let alone rapes described explitely). I hope they cast Thom, Lan and Loial next. Any of the three, or all three together. I think that is such an unlikely possibility that it would be about as likely as someone doing an adaptation of the New Testament and having it be the Virgin Mary on the cross instead of Jesus (and thematically, that's kinda similar to the suggestion given when you think about how Rand is the messiah figure; sure, I know Egwene isn't Rand's mother, but by the end of the series she is "Mother"). From what I learned in my college history courses (and from copious reading of historical stuff online and in books) the whole medieval lifespan thing being low was actually a misconception, because it was skewed by the extremely high infant (and child) mortality rate. If someone survived their first five years, they often tended to live into their 50s and 60s, some even into their 70s and 80s. The cloaks of the Fades can only be done right via CGI. They don't move from the wind, which would include that caused by them riding horses, walking, running, etc. The way I always saw it, only motions of their arms and legs (or anything else) directly touching the cloaks would cause the cloak to move. It is an integral part of the Fades' creepiness, the "something-is-not-right-ness" of them. I agree that the eyeless-ness can be done via prosthetics, I only suggested the possibilty of CGI as a means of making it easier on the performer to see while doing their job, and to save on time in the makeup chair and on latex (although that last cost probably wouldn't make up, pun intended, for the cost of the CG). I don't know if I would say Randland is a PG-13 world. The only thing PG-13 about the book series is the language actually put to the page. By that I specifically mean the vulgarity (see above in this comment). There is plenty of nudity (actually much more nudity than GRRM's stuff when you consider Shienaran bathing customs, Aiel sweat tents, Aiel gai'shain before white clothes are available for them, the Aes Sedai during certain ceremonies, the Sea Folk, and Rand & Aviendha's little trip to Seanchan) in The Wheel of Time series. Westeros and Essos do not have ravaging monsters that literally chop human beings up and put them in cook pots, which is something we actually see the results of in WoT. Nor does Martin's series have anything come anywhere near as brutal, disgusting, and astonishingly horrific as Dumai's Wells. Yes, I mentioned it up above, but it cannot be stressed enough. This battle is the most terrible thing I have ever read descriptions of in fantasy or science fiction in my entire life. That one scene alone would garner the show a TV-MA rating, or if in the cinema an NC-17 rating (formerly an X rating). No, Robert Jordan's series is a far cry from PG-13. A far cry.
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