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As for impeachment; we don't have any hard (or direct) evidence of him committing crimes while in office, and we don't have any hard (or direct) of him committing crimes to get into office, but there is a lot of circumstalial and unproven evidence of both in the public domain.

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6 hours ago, Tyzack said:

As for impeachment; we don't have any hard (or direct) evidence of him committing crimes while in office, and we don't have any hard (or direct) of him committing crimes to get into office, but there is a lot of circumstalial and unproven evidence of both in the public domain.

Sounds a lot like Pizzagate. You're not one of those conspiracy theorists are you?

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1 hour ago, Nolder said:

Sounds a lot like Pizzagate. You're not one of those conspiracy theorists are you?

 

... if you think that pizzagate or your murdered dc friend and a direct attack on the us political system - as stated by our own intelligence agencies - are the same, you're way far gone.

 

But I already knew that.

 

Happy chemtrails!

 

Image result for chemtrails

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3 hours ago, Tyzack said:

You're an isolationist, so by definition you would rather the US be ignored.

No I'm not.

 

Nice job ignoring that everything you said was in fact not an example of your point and that you tried to shift the goalposts at the end. Typical liberal you're losing the debate, even in a very inconsequential way, and so you start slinging names.

 

Isolationist! Racist! Transphobe!

 

Don't wonder why NPC is the new insult.

You are a robot and you follow your program to a T.

 

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3 hours ago, Tyzack said:

 

... if you think that pizzagate or your murdered dc friend

 

Seth Rich is not my friend but wow what an incredibly disrespectful thing to say.

 

3 hours ago, Tyzack said:

and a direct attack on the us political system - as stated by our own intelligence agencies - are the same, you're way far gone.

 

But I already knew that.

 

Happy chemtrails!

 

Image result for chemtrails

So let's have a discussion about it. I have more circumstantial evidence that the Podestas are pedophiles and that Seth Rich was murdered because he leaked to wikileaks than you do that Trump has committed any crime whatsoever. I can make my case. Let's hear yours. Or do you just like to talk shit without backing any of it up?

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Also, since it just hit me, lol at this strawman.

I never once mentioned chem trails.

Your tactics to avoid having a discussion are obvious and pathetic.

You know what just go back in your bubble where you're always right I can see you're useless to talk to.

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30 minutes ago, Nolder said:

Also, since it just hit me, lol at this strawman.

I never once mentioned chem trails.

Your tactics to avoid having a discussion are obvious and pathetic.

You know what just go back in your bubble where you're always right I can see you're useless to talk to.

 

I'm using chemtrails as a generic foil for conspriacy theories; I could say you believe we faked the moon landing, the earth was flat, there was a geocentric, or even heloicentric universe...

 

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47 minutes ago, Nolder said:

No I'm not.

 

Nice job ignoring that everything you said was in fact not an example of your point and that you tried to shift the goalposts at the end. Typical liberal you're losing the debate, even in a very inconsequential way, and so you start slinging names.

 

Isolationist! Racist! Transphobe!

 

Don't wonder why NPC is the new insult.

You are a robot and you follow your program to a T.

 

 

 

You think that us withdrawing from the world is an example of leadership?

Or countries looking to us?

 

They are only looking to us because we built the system, and a still (currently) the largest player in it, so they kind of have to.

 

I'm saying that dispite that, they are ignoring us and going about things on their own/without us.

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1 hour ago, Nolder said:

Seth Rich is not my friend but wow what an incredibly disrespectful thing to say.

 

So let's have a discussion about it. I have more circumstantial evidence that the Podestas are pedophiles and that Seth Rich was murdered because he leaked to wikileaks than you do that Trump has committed any crime whatsoever. I can make my case. Let's hear yours. Or do you just like to talk shit without backing any of it up?

 

Sticking with the opening paragaphs:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory
 

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Pizzagate is a debunked[2][3][4] conspiracy theory that went viral during the 2016 United States presidential election cycle. The conspiracy theory has been extensively discredited and debunked by a wide array of organizations, including the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia.[3][4][5]

 

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present)

 

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The ongoing Special Counsel investigation (also referred to as the Mueller Probe)[1] is a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere, with primary focus on the 2016 presidential election. This investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." In addition, the scope of the investigation reportedly includes potential obstruction of justice by Trump and others.[2] The investigation, since it began in May 17, 2017, has been conducted by the United States Department of Justice Special Counsel's Office, headed by Robert Mueller, a Republican and former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). As part of the investigation, Mueller also took over several other existing FBI investigations, including those of former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.[3]


 


In terms of real vs. fake we can compare this:
 

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They emphasized that:

  • Theorists linked the conspiracy to Comet Ping Pong, through similarities between company logos and symbols related to Satanism and pedophilia. However, The Times noted that similarities were also found in the logos of a number of unrelated companies, such as AOL, Time Warner, and MSN.[2]
  • Theorists claimed an underground network beneath Comet Ping Pong; however, the restaurant actually has no basement, and the picture used to support this claim was taken from another facility.[2]
  • Theorists claimed to have a picture of restaurant owner Alefantis wearing a T-shirt endorsing pedophilia. However, the image was of another person, and the shirt, which read "J' ❤ L'Enfant," was actually a reference to the L'Enfant Cafe-Bar in DC, whose owner was pictured in the image, and which itself is named after Pierre Charles L'Enfant, designer of much of the layout of Washington, D.C.[2]
  • Theorists claimed John and Tony Podesta kidnapped Madeleine McCann using police sketches that were, in fact, two sketches of the same suspect taken from the descriptions of two eyewitnesses.[2]

No alleged victims have come forward and no physical evidence has been found.[70]

 

 

 

To:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–present)

 

Accused Date first charged Charge(s) Case status Jurisdiction
+ Indictment
George Papadopoulos October 3, 2017 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on October 5, 2017.[1] Sentenced to 14 days in prison, a $9,500 fine, 200 hours of community service and 12 months probation on September 7, 2018.[2] Released from prison on December 7, 2018, after serving 12 days of the 14-day sentence.[3][4] D.D.C.[5]
Rick Gates October 27, 2017[A] 2 counts: conspiracy against the United States and false statements Pleaded guilty on February 23, 2018.[7] D.D.C.[8]
February 22, 2018 23 counts: assisting in the preparation of false tax returns (×5), subscribing to false tax returns (×5), filing a false amended return, failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (×3), bank fraud conspiracy (×5), and bank fraud (×4) Charges dismissed without prejudice on February 27, 2018.[9] E.D. Va.[10]
Paul Manafort October 27, 2017
2 counts: conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice Pleaded guilty on September 14, 2018. Sentencing hearing scheduled for March 5, 2019.[13] D.D.C.[14] February 22, 2018 18 counts: filing false tax returns (×5), failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (×4), bank fraud conspiracy (×5), and bank fraud (×4) Found guilty on 8 counts, mistrial declared on 10 counts on August 21, 2018. Sentencing hearing scheduled for February 8, 2019.[15] E.D. Va.[10] Michael Flynn November 30, 2017 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on December 1, 2017. Sentencing hearing scheduled for March 18, 2019.[16] D.D.C.[17] Richard Pinedo February 2, 2018 1 count: identity fraud Pleaded guilty on February 2, 2018.[18] Sentenced to six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement on October 10, 2018.[19] D.D.C.[20] Alex van der Zwaan February 16, 2018 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on February 16, 2018. Sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine on April 3, 2018.[21] 
Deported to the Netherlands on June 5, 2018.[22][23] D.
 

 

Michael Cohen
November 29, 2018 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on November 29, 2018. Sentenced to 2 months in prison on December 12, 2018.[29] S.D.N.Y.[30]

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Formatting seems to have broken, but you get the point, or you don't.

 

Again, pizzagate = chemtrails = antivax = whatever other dumb theories fly around on the internet

Russian attack on the US election system = real

Trump campaign = helped them

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In general, I avoid conversations around this topic, because there is so much we don't know, and we should all wait for Mueller to present his findings.

 

Then we'll all know.

 

Who knows, maybe the Mueller report will expose Pizzagate and vindicate Trump as the savour of America as that other (red count, whatever, I forget the name) conspiracy theoery over the summer proposed.

 

But I serverly doubt that.

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🙄

 

You really have no high ground with which to mock me when you hold positions like that.

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5 hours ago, Nolder said:

🙄

 

You really have no high ground with which to mock me when you hold positions like that.

 

Positions like what?

The conspiracy theories are weird and are rightly rejected - specifically in this context pizzagate and QAnon?

 

You said:

Provide evidence that Russia attack the US electoral system to directly benifet one side over the other and that the Trump campaign knew, or at least was complicit, in these attacks.

 

I did.

 

I compared the wikipedia pages - surely not a scholarly level disertation, but generally well accepted and well researched with transparent backing sourcing - of the two events in question.

 

You...dismissed that research?

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Remember back years ago when we were talking about what it meant that Kushner (and others) were operating on temporary clearances because their background checks/investigations were taking too long/brought up questions well...

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna962221?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1IbjfXUG8qJZQc9ZdTpR3X_4vbIRWg5iueW92TydWtBLiAn9KCXBKTOEo
 

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Jared Kushner's application for a top secret clearance was rejected by two career White House security specialists after an FBI background check raised concerns about potential foreign influence on him — but their supervisor overruled the recommendation and approved the clearance, two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.

 

 Kushner's was one of at least 30 cases in which Kline overruled career security experts and approved a top secret clearance for incoming Trump officials despite unfavorable information, the two sources said. They said the number of rejections that were overruled was unprecedented

Kushner's FBI background check identified questions about his family's business, his foreign contacts, his foreign travel and meetings he had during the campaign, the sources said, declining to be more specific.
 

After Kline overruled the White House security specialists and recommended Kushner for a top secret clearance, Kushner's file then went to the CIA for a ruling on SCI.
 

After reviewing the file, CIA officers who make clearance decisions balked, two of the people familiar with the matter said. One called over to the White House security division, wondering how Kushner got even a top secret clearance, the sources said. Top secret information is defined as material that would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if disclosed to adversaries.
 

The sources say the CIA has not granted Kushner clearance to review SCI material. That would mean Kushner lacks access to key intelligence unless President Trump decides to override the rules, which is the president's' prerogative. The Washington Post reported in July 2018 that Kushner was not given an "SCI" clearance.

 

 

It would be funny if it weren't so sad, but we're long past that point now.

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8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

You can add Roger Stone to people who’ve been arrested.

What was he arrested for?

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8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

 

Positions like what?

Your whole Russia conspiracy that the left media fed you.

Also, oddly enough, that fits you know the actual definition of a conspiracy unlike most "conspiracy theories".

 

8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

The conspiracy theories are weird and are rightly rejected

Rejection out of hand is dogma not reason.

 

8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

- specifically in this context pizzagate and QAnon?

You keep bringing up things I've never talked about and have no interest in whatsover.

Chemtrail and Qanon? Strawman harder.

 

8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

 

You said:

Provide evidence that Russia attack the US electoral system to directly benifet one side over the other and that the Trump campaign knew, or at least was complicit, in these attacks.

That's not what I said. This is what I said.

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I have more circumstantial evidence that the Podestas are pedophiles and that Seth Rich was murdered because he leaked to wikileaks than you do that Trump has committed any crime whatsoever. I can make my case. Let's hear yours.

 

If you think it's the same thing read it again.

 

8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

I did.

You tried to answer a question I didn't ask.

 

8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

I compared the wikipedia pages - surely not a scholarly level disertation, but generally well accepted and well researched with transparent backing sourcing - of the two events in question.

 

You...dismissed that research?

It has nothing to do with what I asked.

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Something with slightly more world relivancey...

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/5-scenarios-for-how-muellers-investigation-could-end/

 

This is, in my honest non-NPC opinion, the most likely outcome:

 

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In December, my colleague Perry Bacon Jr. and I speculated that Mueller might be writing his “report” in real time, through his detailed court filings. If this turns out to be true, the ending of the investigation may be somewhat anticlimactic, because all of the relevant information will already be known. And unless there are bombshells between now and when Mueller wraps up his probe, the investigation might not end up touching Trump or his close associates at all. If that happens, Trump will likely claim that he has been exonerated.

 

I mean, thought clearly I'm cheering for scernio 1.

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