World's End Mafia - town wins comprehensively

[Zander?]

I'll reverse the order.

 

If I die today, I'm shooting Shad instead of Tina, and today, I'm attempting to lynch Tina instead of Shad.

 

Unvote

 

Vote TinaHel

 

I need townie heroes who will make this happen.

 

 

Im going to make things happen Pizza which youre prolly not gonna like.  I'm more then ready willing and able to be the Hero this Town deserves.

 

#getrektwolf

[Zander?]

 

Seriously, don't lynch me.

If you lynch Tina, you won't die today or tonight by my dead android hand. Simplest course of action.

 

 

Hate these threat/ultimatum type posts from Pizza.

 

Like did he seriously think it was gonna make me make off?

 

Does he seriously think it will make Shad back off?

 

Still waiting to see a response from Pizza irt Shad's ISO of him,

[Zander?]

back off

 

#thewordsarehard.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine.

 

Why did you start posting more words only after it was stated that town pizza does that?

Correlation is not causation. There was zero conscious effort on my part to be more wordy.

 

Being bullied into posting more words would not clear me, that has the *opposite* effect. See your question as evidence.

 

I still have to do it because this lynch is bad.

 

Why have you stopped being sarcastic in terms of being wolf?

Because the joke stops being funny after you repeat it all game long, and there is work to do.

 

I felt that you were overconfident then. And now you stopped, so does it indicate that you feel threatened (as wolf) or that you're actually trying to prove you're villa?

Even when I am under severe lynch threat, I _____never_____ feel threatened when I am a wolf.

 

This kind of panic ONLY comes from village pizza. Period.

 

I am the coolest-headed scumbag that has ever lived. There is no pressure when you're a wolf. When you get lynched, you shake hands with the village postgame and congratulate them for being good.

 

All the pressure is on me to perform WHEN I am a townie.

 

Why did you decide to go after Lenlo when your reasoning now is that his behaviour was typical for town?

I explained this at length already, and within the past page or so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

Seriously, don't lynch me.

If you lynch Tina, you won't die today or tonight by my dead android hand. Simplest course of action.

 

 

Hate these threat/ultimatum type posts from Pizza.

 

Like did he seriously think it was gonna make me make off?

 

Does he seriously think it will make Shad back off?

 

Still waiting to see a response from Pizza irt Shad's ISO of him,

 

Why not speak directly to me? I'm not afraid of townie Zander.

[Guest]

@Pizza

 

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours to deadline, I should be back within 8.

 

Hammer generally doesn't fall that early without strong consensus on this site. If it does, that will be telling as well.

 

Explain why Tina is mafia? I have her as POE, but that's not the same thing

Cory is a townie

Nolder is a townie

Zander is a townie

Pizza is a townie

Besie is a townie

BFG is a townie

Lenlo is a townie

Dice is a townie

 

That's why Tina is a scum.

Cory- early game enthusiasm of the specific sort I needed, plus the sabotage comment. Why that's always townie is because if Cory is a scum, he knows for a fact that I'm not a scum, and his first reaction to me threatening to shoot Zander because he's not villaging properly is to call it sabotage. That's not what a scumbag says there. Even if Zander is his partner. There's no way Cory-scum dissuades me from that shot, ever, even if Zander was his partner, especially not by using that reasoning. That's not a scum reason for trying to chastise that behavior, it's always townie and it is currently the reason why he's voting for me, and I understand that, because that behavior (my threatening Zander in that precise manner) is seen by Cory to be anti-town, and if there's doubt in Cory's mind about me, he's going to lynch the anti-town behavior.

 

Cory is wrong because Anti-town behavior is not scum behavior, it's against the town team in his opinion and mine, but in MY POSITION, I cannot allow myself to be the lynch and I have to attempt to persuade Zander not to lynch me, and I can't because he stonewalled me and stopped asking me solving questions. He asked a couple when he was catching up but when he was fully caught up, which is what I was waiting for, he did not pursue any further questions, and there's not a damned thing I can possibly do as his teammate to change his mind, he needs to see the flip first. That's bad for the reasons I told to his face, and he's letting me down.

 

It wasn't an idle threat but it was me doing what I could to affect the outcome.

 

My questions about his alignment because he was active but not pressing his suspects that hard disappeared in his later posts. The tack he's taken on me is so much more dangerous and straightforward than so many options he had available to him as a scumbag in his position of being town-read so much with an easy D1 lynch in his pocket.

 

Nolder's leans list looks outdated to me due to missing information, the kind you'd get from coming from a position of not being in the know and trying to get to the same page everyone else is. That kind of piecemeal information leans list is harder to fake as a scum and it rarely occurs to a scum to have such a list.

 

Zander has a responsibility to the scum team and should in no way be afraid of pretending to ask me solving questions, but it's possible(?).... it's less likely when the alternative is I shoot him tonight. He's letting me down in a big way by hiding in fear of the big scary pizza monster by saying to me that he's afraid if he asks me questions it might change my mind, so he's gotta kill me because I'm a wolf lean. Killing pizza without a fair trial when you've got me on the witness stand and you're allowed to ask me questions is bad prosecution, period. That lesson needs to be learned for future games. He didn't budge from his position under threat, which he really should have if he's a townie, but almost undoubtedly would have budged if he were scum. I had questions about his alignment from his poor prosecution which read differently from the last game, but he's got balls of steel or is deliberately sabotaging his scum team today by not prosecuting me properly and therefore being en prise for no reason when he was being universally town-read again, even by the person he was trying to lynch.

 

I'm a townie because that's what I rolled. And I demonstrated that all round. It's not being listened to because big scary pizza monster might live for one more day. Thanks for the compliment but this is a self-inflicted wound. I towned and it wasn't exactly what it was in the previous game, and I'm being lynched, as I predicted, by Cory, for that exact reason that I predicted.

 

I am aware of how people react to my posts and I still made them.

 

Besie was a town lean, but I think there's little or no risk for Besie to put me at L-1, because she's not under a ton of suspicion. I don't know Besie, so this one is a little harder to say is a lock. But I'd not shoot her tonight if I died. If Besie instead lynches Tina and Tina is a scum, Besie can be blue until final 3.

 

I have repeatedly and in detail explained why Lenlo looked so godawful to me and that reversed, and it's very specific and very strong. And it's not bullshit. And it's really unlikely to be wrong.

 

Dice is voting where the PoE should be. Dice can be the deepwolf, but he's not going to survive the whole game if he lynches his not-deep wolves day one and then is never the murder or the retaliatory night lynch. I also went over Dice before and I'll do it again.

 

Sooh is voting where the PoE should be. I still don't trust her because her leans and votes have been opposite to mine most of the game. Lean on Lenlo started wrong and ended up right too quickly, imo. Seems reluctant to lynch Shad. If Tina is town and Shad is scum you must lynch Sooh. Sooh voting where the PoE should be isn't clearing for her the way it is for Dice because she's also under suspicion and she doesn't have a lot of choice, if she lynches me today she always dies.

 

Nikon is null-POE. I don't trust him, but I need more time to read him.

 

Shad is bad for the reasons that are subtle but have been noticed by not just me.

 

Tina is bad because of that hard unvote and no real pushing. Lenlo was going to look bizarre early game for what he was doing, that was an easy thing for a wolf to attack. Tina's suspects weren't getting pushed and her vote also vanished from Lenlo when the wagon didn't look like it was going that way.

 

I can and did thoroughly and at length explain my unvote, and it's never a reason that comes from Pizza-scum.

 

Tina's was never explained and makes no sense from a villaging perspective.

 

 

About your thoughts on me. Yes. There is no threat to me if YOU are put at L-1. I did that because, oh that's right, to hear BFG's thoughts, and then to also because I'm not, in your words, "afraid if he asks me questions it might change my mind". Talk to me. Answer my questions.

 

And then, I don't see how my vote or not vote on Tina will change anything. I know nothing about her. I've not seen anything, and I've said that many times. You people that have played with her say that she's scummy in this game. So you just want me to trust you? How's that villa in any way at all - especially since youre scummy in my eyes? She's null to me. Null to town if I have to add an alignment because I liked sooh's reasoning (page 67) to what Tina said, and agreed with it. So please explain to me how MY vote on Tina will change anything?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't put BFG up on the big board when I made my leans post.

 

That's an oversight on my part but is in no way alignment indicative.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Pizza

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours to deadline, I should be back within 8.

 

Hammer generally doesn't fall that early without strong consensus on this site. If it does, that will be telling as well.

 

Explain why Tina is mafia? I have her as POE, but that's not the same thing

Cory is a townie

Nolder is a townie

Zander is a townie

Pizza is a townie

Besie is a townie

BFG is a townie

Lenlo is a townie

Dice is a townie

 

That's why Tina is a scum.

Cory- early game enthusiasm of the specific sort I needed, plus the sabotage comment. Why that's always townie is because if Cory is a scum, he knows for a fact that I'm not a scum, and his first reaction to me threatening to shoot Zander because he's not villaging properly is to call it sabotage. That's not what a scumbag says there. Even if Zander is his partner. There's no way Cory-scum dissuades me from that shot, ever, even if Zander was his partner, especially not by using that reasoning. That's not a scum reason for trying to chastise that behavior, it's always townie and it is currently the reason why he's voting for me, and I understand that, because that behavior (my threatening Zander in that precise manner) is seen by Cory to be anti-town, and if there's doubt in Cory's mind about me, he's going to lynch the anti-town behavior.

 

Cory is wrong because Anti-town behavior is not scum behavior, it's against the town team in his opinion and mine, but in MY POSITION, I cannot allow myself to be the lynch and I have to attempt to persuade Zander not to lynch me, and I can't because he stonewalled me and stopped asking me solving questions. He asked a couple when he was catching up but when he was fully caught up, which is what I was waiting for, he did not pursue any further questions, and there's not a damned thing I can possibly do as his teammate to change his mind, he needs to see the flip first. That's bad for the reasons I told to his face, and he's letting me down.

 

It wasn't an idle threat but it was me doing what I could to affect the outcome.

 

My questions about his alignment because he was active but not pressing his suspects that hard disappeared in his later posts. The tack he's taken on me is so much more dangerous and straightforward than so many options he had available to him as a scumbag in his position of being town-read so much with an easy D1 lynch in his pocket.

 

Nolder's leans list looks outdated to me due to missing information, the kind you'd get from coming from a position of not being in the know and trying to get to the same page everyone else is. That kind of piecemeal information leans list is harder to fake as a scum and it rarely occurs to a scum to have such a list.

 

Zander has a responsibility to the scum team and should in no way be afraid of pretending to ask me solving questions, but it's possible(?).... it's less likely when the alternative is I shoot him tonight. He's letting me down in a big way by hiding in fear of the big scary pizza monster by saying to me that he's afraid if he asks me questions it might change my mind, so he's gotta kill me because I'm a wolf lean. Killing pizza without a fair trial when you've got me on the witness stand and you're allowed to ask me questions is bad prosecution, period. That lesson needs to be learned for future games. He didn't budge from his position under threat, which he really should have if he's a townie, but almost undoubtedly would have budged if he were scum. I had questions about his alignment from his poor prosecution which read differently from the last game, but he's got balls of steel or is deliberately sabotaging his scum team today by not prosecuting me properly and therefore being en prise for no reason when he was being universally town-read again, even by the person he was trying to lynch.

 

I'm a townie because that's what I rolled. And I demonstrated that all round. It's not being listened to because big scary pizza monster might live for one more day. Thanks for the compliment but this is a self-inflicted wound. I towned and it wasn't exactly what it was in the previous game, and I'm being lynched, as I predicted, by Cory, for that exact reason that I predicted.

 

I am aware of how people react to my posts and I still made them.

 

Besie was a town lean, but I think there's little or no risk for Besie to put me at L-1, because she's not under a ton of suspicion. I don't know Besie, so this one is a little harder to say is a lock. But I'd not shoot her tonight if I died. If Besie instead lynches Tina and Tina is a scum, Besie can be blue until final 3.

 

I have repeatedly and in detail explained why Lenlo looked so godawful to me and that reversed, and it's very specific and very strong. And it's not bullshit. And it's really unlikely to be wrong.

 

Dice is voting where the PoE should be. Dice can be the deepwolf, but he's not going to survive the whole game if he lynches his not-deep wolves day one and then is never the murder or the retaliatory night lynch. I also went over Dice before and I'll do it again.

 

Sooh is voting where the PoE should be. I still don't trust her because her leans and votes have been opposite to mine most of the game. Lean on Lenlo started wrong and ended up right too quickly, imo. Seems reluctant to lynch Shad. If Tina is town and Shad is scum you must lynch Sooh. Sooh voting where the PoE should be isn't clearing for her the way it is for Dice because she's also under suspicion and she doesn't have a lot of choice, if she lynches me today she always dies.

 

Nikon is null-POE. I don't trust him, but I need more time to read him.

 

Shad is bad for the reasons that are subtle but have been noticed by not just me.

 

Tina is bad because of that hard unvote and no real pushing. Lenlo was going to look bizarre early game for what he was doing, that was an easy thing for a wolf to attack. Tina's suspects weren't getting pushed and her vote also vanished from Lenlo when the wagon didn't look like it was going that way.

 

I can and did thoroughly and at length explain my unvote, and it's never a reason that comes from Pizza-scum.

 

Tina's was never explained and makes no sense from a villaging perspective.

 

 

About your thoughts on me. Yes. There is no threat to me if YOU are put at L-1. I did that because, oh that's right, to hear BFG's thoughts, and then to also because I'm not, in your words, "afraid if he asks me questions it might change my mind". Talk to me. Answer my questions.

 

And then, I don't see how my vote or not vote on Tina will change anything. I know nothing about her. I've not seen anything, and I've said that many times. You people that have played with her say that she's scummy in this game. So you just want me to trust you? How's that villa in any way at all - especially since youre scummy in my eyes? She's null to me. Null to town if I have to add an alignment because I liked sooh's reasoning (page 67) to what Tina said, and agreed with it. So please explain to me how MY vote on Tina will change anything?

 

 

I am being cooperative and answering questions, but I don't need this edge to your words. I'm already steamed.

 

I'm doing my job as a teammate and member of this village, but you, my teammates, could make it easier for me to not throw in the towel and say fudge it, lynch me. I don't care anymore.

[Zander?]

 

 

cory   cause ive done like 20 pages of reading   can u give me like 4-5 lines why you want to lynch pizza?

 

Here's one line: I feel like if Pizza was a villager I'd have 4-5 reasons to not lynch him.

 

I can't clear myself as well in every game. I did try hard this time.

 

Look at how I slank as a wolf on day one. The posts might be there (sometimes, not always!) but there's no passion, there's such limited aggression. I never would have gotten this much attention on me if I had done that.

 

I can avoid the suspicion if I'm a wolf, I always do Cory. That's not my objective here.

 

I am also quite fine with being under fire. I have little (not nothing) to lose as a townie under pressure and threat of death. It's not a loss.

 

Dead wolves on day one often leads to a loss, particularly if wolf number two goes down that night or the next day.

 

I wouldn't risk it here. I'm risky but I'm smarter than that. There's no need to plop down the entire payroll as a bet on the first hand, when you don't have good cards.

 

Day one is the worst cards.

 

 

You should be able to  imo.  I tend to and youre a much better at this game then I am.

 

Avoiding suspicion as wolf is what you do?  Like am I incorrect in remembering you told me you've claimed wolf as BOTH alignments cause ANYONE who claims wolf I will always be suspicious of.

 

Losing a Townie is ALWAYS a loss.  It happens but its still always a lose.  And you making the threat of death part is funny considering you're basically threatening anyone who wants to vote you with shooting them after you die.....

 

That's a joke right?  Because I will take a dead wolf D1 over a dead townie D1 100 times out of 100 times.

 

You've played Poker right?  You don't always need the best cards to win.  Skill and some luck is more than enough to win more often than not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've reached my limit.

 

Askthepizzaguy died and was a villager. I've wasted enough time on this game today.

[Guest]

 

Fine.

 

Why did you start posting more words only after it was stated that town pizza does that?

Correlation is not causation. There was zero conscious effort on my part to be more wordy.

 

Being bullied into posting more words would not clear me, that has the *opposite* effect. See your question as evidence.

 

I still have to do it because this lynch is bad.

Bold: exactly. That's exactly what added to your being scummy for me.

 

And yes. You keep saying that. We'll see, won't we.

 

 

Why have you stopped being sarcastic in terms of being wolf?

Because the joke stops being funny after you repeat it all game long, and there is work to do.

 

I felt that you were overconfident then. And now you stopped, so does it indicate that you feel threatened (as wolf) or that you're actually trying to prove you're villa?

Even when I am under severe lynch threat, I _____never_____ feel threatened when I am a wolf.

 

This kind of panic ONLY comes from village pizza. Period.

 

I am the coolest-headed scumbag that has ever lived. There is no pressure when you're a wolf. When you get lynched, you shake hands with the village postgame and congratulate them for being good.

 

All the pressure is on me to perform WHEN I am a townie.

Hmmm.

 

 

Why did you decide to go after Lenlo when your reasoning now is that his behaviour was typical for town?

I explained this at length already, and within the past page or so.

Hmmm. Repeat it, just for why-not, in less than 30 words. Main reason.

 

I read every single page in this game twice minimum, so... please?

[Sooh]

This game is becoming frustrating to me. Frustrating because people make one assumption about people in early game and refuse to change their reads. 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Besie, I would, but I'm done.

 

Vote me and get on with it. I will shoot Tina. Then we'll take another look at Shad.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

@Pizza

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours to deadline, I should be back within 8.

 

Hammer generally doesn't fall that early without strong consensus on this site. If it does, that will be telling as well.

 

Explain why Tina is mafia? I have her as POE, but that's not the same thing

Cory is a townie

Nolder is a townie

Zander is a townie

Pizza is a townie

Besie is a townie

BFG is a townie

Lenlo is a townie

Dice is a townie

 

That's why Tina is a scum.

Cory- early game enthusiasm of the specific sort I needed, plus the sabotage comment. Why that's always townie is because if Cory is a scum, he knows for a fact that I'm not a scum, and his first reaction to me threatening to shoot Zander because he's not villaging properly is to call it sabotage. That's not what a scumbag says there. Even if Zander is his partner. There's no way Cory-scum dissuades me from that shot, ever, even if Zander was his partner, especially not by using that reasoning. That's not a scum reason for trying to chastise that behavior, it's always townie and it is currently the reason why he's voting for me, and I understand that, because that behavior (my threatening Zander in that precise manner) is seen by Cory to be anti-town, and if there's doubt in Cory's mind about me, he's going to lynch the anti-town behavior.

 

Cory is wrong because Anti-town behavior is not scum behavior, it's against the town team in his opinion and mine, but in MY POSITION, I cannot allow myself to be the lynch and I have to attempt to persuade Zander not to lynch me, and I can't because he stonewalled me and stopped asking me solving questions. He asked a couple when he was catching up but when he was fully caught up, which is what I was waiting for, he did not pursue any further questions, and there's not a damned thing I can possibly do as his teammate to change his mind, he needs to see the flip first. That's bad for the reasons I told to his face, and he's letting me down.

 

It wasn't an idle threat but it was me doing what I could to affect the outcome.

 

My questions about his alignment because he was active but not pressing his suspects that hard disappeared in his later posts. The tack he's taken on me is so much more dangerous and straightforward than so many options he had available to him as a scumbag in his position of being town-read so much with an easy D1 lynch in his pocket.

 

Nolder's leans list looks outdated to me due to missing information, the kind you'd get from coming from a position of not being in the know and trying to get to the same page everyone else is. That kind of piecemeal information leans list is harder to fake as a scum and it rarely occurs to a scum to have such a list.

 

Zander has a responsibility to the scum team and should in no way be afraid of pretending to ask me solving questions, but it's possible(?).... it's less likely when the alternative is I shoot him tonight. He's letting me down in a big way by hiding in fear of the big scary pizza monster by saying to me that he's afraid if he asks me questions it might change my mind, so he's gotta kill me because I'm a wolf lean. Killing pizza without a fair trial when you've got me on the witness stand and you're allowed to ask me questions is bad prosecution, period. That lesson needs to be learned for future games. He didn't budge from his position under threat, which he really should have if he's a townie, but almost undoubtedly would have budged if he were scum. I had questions about his alignment from his poor prosecution which read differently from the last game, but he's got balls of steel or is deliberately sabotaging his scum team today by not prosecuting me properly and therefore being en prise for no reason when he was being universally town-read again, even by the person he was trying to lynch.

 

I'm a townie because that's what I rolled. And I demonstrated that all round. It's not being listened to because big scary pizza monster might live for one more day. Thanks for the compliment but this is a self-inflicted wound. I towned and it wasn't exactly what it was in the previous game, and I'm being lynched, as I predicted, by Cory, for that exact reason that I predicted.

 

I am aware of how people react to my posts and I still made them.

 

Besie was a town lean, but I think there's little or no risk for Besie to put me at L-1, because she's not under a ton of suspicion. I don't know Besie, so this one is a little harder to say is a lock. But I'd not shoot her tonight if I died. If Besie instead lynches Tina and Tina is a scum, Besie can be blue until final 3.

 

I have repeatedly and in detail explained why Lenlo looked so godawful to me and that reversed, and it's very specific and very strong. And it's not bullshit. And it's really unlikely to be wrong.

 

Dice is voting where the PoE should be. Dice can be the deepwolf, but he's not going to survive the whole game if he lynches his not-deep wolves day one and then is never the murder or the retaliatory night lynch. I also went over Dice before and I'll do it again.

 

Sooh is voting where the PoE should be. I still don't trust her because her leans and votes have been opposite to mine most of the game. Lean on Lenlo started wrong and ended up right too quickly, imo. Seems reluctant to lynch Shad. If Tina is town and Shad is scum you must lynch Sooh. Sooh voting where the PoE should be isn't clearing for her the way it is for Dice because she's also under suspicion and she doesn't have a lot of choice, if she lynches me today she always dies.

 

Nikon is null-POE. I don't trust him, but I need more time to read him.

 

Shad is bad for the reasons that are subtle but have been noticed by not just me.

 

Tina is bad because of that hard unvote and no real pushing. Lenlo was going to look bizarre early game for what he was doing, that was an easy thing for a wolf to attack. Tina's suspects weren't getting pushed and her vote also vanished from Lenlo when the wagon didn't look like it was going that way.

 

I can and did thoroughly and at length explain my unvote, and it's never a reason that comes from Pizza-scum.

 

Tina's was never explained and makes no sense from a villaging perspective.

 

 

About your thoughts on me. Yes. There is no threat to me if YOU are put at L-1. I did that because, oh that's right, to hear BFG's thoughts, and then to also because I'm not, in your words, "afraid if he asks me questions it might change my mind". Talk to me. Answer my questions.

 

And then, I don't see how my vote or not vote on Tina will change anything. I know nothing about her. I've not seen anything, and I've said that many times. You people that have played with her say that she's scummy in this game. So you just want me to trust you? How's that villa in any way at all - especially since youre scummy in my eyes? She's null to me. Null to town if I have to add an alignment because I liked sooh's reasoning (page 67) to what Tina said, and agreed with it. So please explain to me how MY vote on Tina will change anything?

 

I am being cooperative and answering questions, but I don't need this edge to your words. I'm already steamed.

 

I'm doing my job as a teammate and member of this village, but you, my teammates, could make it easier for me to not throw in the towel and say fudge it, lynch me. I don't care anymore.

I apologise. You are right, I have had the "edge".

 

I don't think a town will "I don't care anymore" though, ESPECIALLY after you JUST said that the pressure is on you when you're doing your town game.

[Zander?]

I try to save my strongest villager reads. As of right now those are Zander, BFG and Dice with a side of Cory. Neither of them are in danger. 

 

I'm less certain of Shad's guilt than Tina's, that's why my vote is where it is. I might change it closer to DL, but I won't change it to Pizza. Not today. 

 

 

So basically 2 (maybe more) of your top town reads (Me and Cory) are both sussing Pizza and yet you choose not to follow us on it.  Like 2 players that as Town have a pretty proven track record of lunching wolves.  I do get that Dice isnt about lynching Pizza and Ill have to double check about BFG irt Pizza but still its not making much sense to me but it's not damning or anything.  But like you don't even seem willing to CONSIDER that we are right and that CONCERNS me

[Nolder]

Please tell me what WIFOM stands for before I answer?

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

[Guest]

Btw, AtE will NOT work on me. Ever. Diablo skinned me live with AtE.

 

So, Pizza, I'll take the edge out of my posts to you if you drop your AtE.

[Guest]

I've reached my limit.

 

Askthepizzaguy died and was a villager. I've wasted enough time on this game today.

You just lost in your own argument you used for clearing Lenlo. You see that, right?

[Guest]

This game is becoming frustrating to me. Frustrating because people make one assumption about people in early game and refuse to change their reads.

I've changed my mind on many reads. See Lenlo for example.

 

At this moment I'm waiting for a reason to change my mind on Pizza. Waiting...

[Zander?]

 

Tina

 

null-mafia

 

TLDR: Ugh, the worst thing is the vote thing that Pizza brought up, but given her recognition of voting 'patterns' early game I'm wondering if it's more likely to be subconscious from town rather than from mafia. She's done 'work' for herself, not under pressure. But I'm not seeing sustained interest in solving yet. she's not spending time in thread talking to people (but I don't remember this from PF either, so it's not necessarily scummy). Her responses to people seem fine, but generally /meh I don't have the experience to know if she ramps up or not in later phases and know that she's been lynched Day 1 as town before and sussed, if not lynched as mafia day 1. No idea which this is.

 

And as much as I hate to say it, there are people I feel significantly better about than Tina, and that plays into this read

 

 

 

Can't remember a lot from her and sort of feel she's been POE'd into being suspicious rather than anything else. Possibly odd approach to Cory.

 

 

Votes Dice (joke) seems relaxed on thread early. Happy to be playing, but wary of the catch-up involved (I don't think this ever gets mentioned again which is a slight bonus)

 

On reread I like her post on Lenlo, I like that she's looking at his actions and not jumping on the mechanics talk with the rest of us. I also don't hate the early read on Dice, or the way it's given.

 

Responds to Cory directly saying he's wrong and she'll probe it (hopefully)

 

Doesn't like Pizzas comment about her given that he followed her onto Lenlo...

 

Doesn't understand Shad's comment about no NK? And I'm pretty sure she follows this up a couple of times

 

Responds to Lenlo and holds her position

 

I need to look at this with context on reread (which probably won't happen before deadline). She responds to someone asking why 'Lenlo pushing Dice as a suspect without voting' would be scummy with 'because she's seen mafia do that. That's an obvious reply that I love and will make me look sideways at whoever asked it. She doesn't like Pizza's tunnel.

 

From that initial list she seems to have Zander as town, Cory as maybe town, Dice as town, uneasy about Sooh and everyone else is some sort of null, unsure, need to ISO.

 

ISO's Sooh and doesn't like that she's null on so many players, this is consistent with her reasoning for not liking me this game

 

ISO's Besie and doesn't like how she's going with the flow

 

Leaves me in my own category XD

 

Nolder's null

 

There's the unvote off Lenlo, while finding Soon scummy and not having looked further into Lenlo/Pizza which reads oddly. It's a little WIFOMy but given Tina's preoccupation with votes and nudges early game, I think she'd be more self aware if mafia, but I don't think I'd be happy to clear her for this.

 

There are a number of people who seem to be reading Tina based off how she 'normally' reads them, I don't know what to make of this, part of me is doing the same wrt how she's acting towards Cory, but I don't really like the argument.

 

Znder reacts to her post on me and Besie saying there are people he thinks are scummier. I didn't really understand this at the time and I don't now, especially given that he 'likes' Nolder list for lack of consensus

 

Shad feels into the game and not trying to 'make' things scummy, leans town

 

Still hasn't read Lenlo-Pizza

 

Concludes:

 

Town: Tina, Cory, Sander, Dice (from early posts)

Null-town: Shad

Null: Nikon, BFG, Nolder

Null-mafia: Besie

Mafia: Sooh, Lenlo, Pizza

 

Given she still hasn't re-read Pizza/Lenlo I'm not sure how to feel about her putting them in her worst category.

 

"Right now I think Lenlo's posts are more scummy and Pizza's behaviour is more scummy" don't hate this though.

 

Responds to Lenlo expanding on her thoughts on him and Lenlo. Doesn't understand Pizza's reasoning on her, sort of understands his thoughts on Shad.

 

Votes Pizza for bad reasoning on her

 

Asks Sooh if her vote on Tina is OMGUS?

 

She responds to my 'list' sort of neutrally. My reasons for Tina being at the bottom are fairly poor and I'd expect a more argumentative response to it. I can't say it's meta based off one game, but the reasons for lynching her in PF were awful-none existent (with hindsight) and I'm not seeing that same response here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like as many people as possible to do the following for me:

 

In order from likeliest town -> scum list the follow four players:

 

Tina

Nikon

Shad

Pizza

Tina

Shad/Nikon

Pizza

 

Tina can you explain the positioning of Shad/Nikon on this list?

 

Sooh (in particular) and Dice can you explain/expand your reasons for voting Tina here. Dice, what's missing? Sooh I genuinely can't remember your reason for voting :/

 

I didn't like her play all game. Tbh the only reason she was high up in my first list was that she was sussing me, which is something she generally does as town and not as mafia. Her play from there on has been rather formulaic, nothing really surprising about her posts. She said one day that she would spend a lot of time in the thread (or at least I seem to recall that she did), but no real time interaction occurred from what I remember. 

 

In addition to that there's POE, where too many others seem more towny to me than she does. Also the reads from people I trust to be town plays into my read of her. I'm actually surprised that Cory hasn't pinned her firmly down as town or scum yet. 

 

All of these factor into my vote and subsequent comment that she's trending down for me.

 

 

 

So youre saying that you're vote on Tina wasn't OMGUS but based on Meta reasons that she tends to suss you as Town and not Mafia and that makes her scummy?  Am I missing something because that makes no sense to me at all?

 

Your vote seemed to stem from her push at Pizza as all you replied with was "trending down": atp.....

[Guest]

Besie, I would, but I'm done.

 

Vote me and get on with it. I will shoot Tina. Then we'll take another look at Shad.

Why Tina now, when previously you said Shad?

 

 

 

Did you only say shad to see what the reaction would be? Are you doing that with Tina now? Do you know more than you should and don't want to actually kill a teammate?

 

 

[Sooh]

 

I try to save my strongest villager reads. As of right now those are Zander, BFG and Dice with a side of Cory. Neither of them are in danger. 

 

I'm less certain of Shad's guilt than Tina's, that's why my vote is where it is. I might change it closer to DL, but I won't change it to Pizza. Not today. 

 

 

So basically 2 (maybe more) of your top town reads (Me and Cory) are both sussing Pizza and yet you choose not to follow us on it.  Like 2 players that as Town have a pretty proven track record of lunching wolves.  I do get that Dice isnt about lynching Pizza and Ill have to double check about BFG irt Pizza but still its not making much sense to me but it's not damning or anything.  But like you don't even seem willing to CONSIDER that we are right and that CONCERNS me

 

AFAIK you both are not exempt from making mistakes. 

 

I refuse to sheep your every thought, especially when I think you're wrong.

[Zander?]

 

 

Then lynch Pizza imo.  Chances of killing scum significantly > 0% and if he flips town you'll probably get your wish tonight.

 

@ All

 

Reverse the order.

 

Both Pizza and Shad still die, but true town heroes revealed.

 

Can you explain?

 

You think Shad as mafia would shoot you (who if town is a mislynch possibility at this point in time?)

 

 

+1

[Guest]

 

 

Please tell me what WIFOM stands for before I answer?

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

Thanks Nol

 

I've seen the movie. Funny lame.

[Guest]

Lame funny?

 

I like lame jokes.