Pokemon Mafia IV: The Mystery of Heart Island--GAME OVER--TEAM ROCKET WIN

[Turin Turambar]

@EP, Survivor just has to live to the end game. If they live regardless if mafia or town win, they win.

[BFG]

Sorry quote fail above

 

@EP Survivors can win with town or mafia if they survive to endgame. Only Survivor I remember winning with Town was Cory 18? months ago, but I think other games are mentioned when this conversation comes up.

[John Snow]

 

 

 

Turin you've been certain I was a wolf for a bit now but you aren't coming at me.

 

I find that decidedly wolflike of you.

i'm still trying to decide if you are a wolf or just playing extremely foolishly. I am more confident that JS is a wolf and would prefer his lynch to anyone. FTR I have doubts about Hallia's claim. The cop part in particular. I would like to see if her percentages resemble mine. 

 

 

 

So you think that her claim is BS and still don't want to lynch her? Feels like bussing to me. 

 

[unvote] [v]Hallia[/v]

 

That is just ridiculous. Way to misuse a buzzword.  How can no one see that you are spouting rubbish?  

 

I doubt that she is a cop. I see no reason to doubt she is third party. I think that YOU are MAFIA. I would rather lynch mafia than 3p today. 

 

I still have a day to try to get more votes on you. Keep this kind of stuff up and you will make it easier.

 

 

 

I think she's lying about the cop move. I think that the main reason she'd be lying is if the WHOLE claim was BS. I think it's possible that she's your teammate. 

 

Hence, Baguette. 

[Darthe]

If a survivor makes it to L-1 they help wolves every time because to not do so would literally be cheating.

 

So if you find a survivor you have to lynch them.  Pushing to keep them around is a direct anti-town decision and I get lynched for saying that constantly.  I also get proven right when town loses to survivor/wolf combos.

[John Snow]

Sorry quote fail above

 

@EP Survivors can win with town or mafia if they survive to endgame. Only Survivor I remember winning with Town was Cory 18? months ago, but I think other games are mentioned when this conversation comes up.

 

 

Technically Turin just did it in the main forums. He was a SK/Survivor. 

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

 

 

I will go down swinging.

 

My moves:

 

Sing—Puts all target to sleep for that phase

Defense Curl—Any move used on target will be 10% less likely to be effective

Disable—Target will be unable to attack that night

Psychic—You are able to tell the alignment of the target (Cop)

 

I am helpful to town.  Stahhhhp.

percentages?

 

none of ya business. however since my priority 1 target is not a good option on to my priority 2 UNVOTE VOTE MASHI

 

 

What?  You've been pushing so hard for Hallia, and then when Darthe votes her, and asks JS to vote her too, you change to me?  Maybe you don't actually want her lynched because you're both Mafia?

 

she claimed Cop role.

 

TADA

 

DARTHE IS 1/1 so far.

 

[unvote] [v] hally [/v]

 

I don't use 3p, sorry Hally.  You know it's just a bad hand to be dealt.

did I miss something here?

 

 

EP, you should know that Jigglypuff's not a psychic Pokemon!  It's Normal, but was changed to Fairy.  Why would it have that kind of move?

 

The other stuff, 3p etc., also doesn't makes sense because we are trainers trying to find Team Rocket.  Why would there be a third party?

 

okay I only really read the cop line I guess that was her intent, but I feel silly now.  UNVOTE VOTE HALLIA Though to counter your arguement on moves I have a really silly move myself. And there is a steal type pokemon that uses psychic moves.

[Turin Turambar]

@Darthe, just keep telling yourself that.  

[Darthe]

@EP, Survivor just has to live to the end game. If they live regardless if mafia or town win, they win.

Wolf post.  Survivor is essentially wolf at endgame and here on D1 you're advocating for her to live.

 

Hally 3p

Turin/???/??? wolves.

 

keep em coming

[Zander?]

wow trying to catch up.

 

not feeling the 3rd party cop claim

[Darthe]

@Darthe, just keep telling yourself that.  

Vague means of trying to weaken player's status through making them look incompetent

 

That's in wolfing 101 by Darthe

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

 

Turin you've been certain I was a wolf for a bit now but you aren't coming at me.

 

I find that decidedly wolflike of you.

i'm still trying to decide if you are a wolf or just playing extremely foolishly. I am more confident that JS is a wolf and would prefer his lynch to anyone. FTR I have doubts about Hallia's claim. The cop part in particular. I would like to see if her percentages resemble mine. 

 

 

 

So you think that her claim is BS and still don't want to lynch her? Feels like bussing to me. 

 

[unvote] [v]Hallia[/v]

 

That is just ridiculous. Way to misuse a buzzword.  How can no one see that you are spouting rubbish?  

 

I doubt that she is a cop. I see no reason to doubt she is third party. I think that YOU are MAFIA. I would rather lynch mafia than 3p today. 

 

I still have a day to try to get more votes on you. Keep this kind of stuff up and you will make it easier.

 

 

 

I think she's lying about the cop move. I think that the main reason she'd be lying is if the WHOLE claim was BS. I think it's possible that she's your teammate. 

 

Hence, Baguette. 

 

So if she flips 3p? what you think then? I have reasons to believe that some of her claim is correct if she is in fact Jigglypuff. I see no way in heck that the cop part is true. First it doesn't make sense for a third party to have a cop view. Secondly it doesn't fit. I think it was Mashi that said that it wasn't a psychic Pokemon. 

 

You think it is possible that she is my teammate. Good luck with that. You should probably just kill me tonight. 

 

Do you have anything to say about your bussing faux-paus?

[Darthe]

If I was a cop I'd view Dice tonight.

 

Since I'm def not a cop I won't view Dice tonight.

[seph]

 

Ok guys I have about thirty minutes or so. I am about 15 pages behind atm.

Can you explain your reads/read evolution on Turin/RTE/Zander?

I found his early game scummy, when I voted him I was hoping to get something as a response, instead he took the way out and left me with no answer.

I have liked his few posts 1 or 2 that makes me think he could be town, and I would not like to lynch him today.

 

For Rte I read it first in thread, and I took it as he was talking to ithi.

I don't think he even responded to it until I asked him a second time (can't remember though)

 

Turin took up for him, as you can see I believed his post. Ley looked onto it and read it in thread. Guess what ley read the post the same way I did.

It looked to me as Turin took out the quote to make it look like it was hallia who he was talking about. The insult was just adding fire to it.

 

I voted turin as I found it suspicious, he claimed chikorita (mispelled it I think)

I read the series of posts in thread, and I still read it the same way, it took me focusing to see he ment halliah.

 

So I think turn was either town helping a fellow town. Most likely.

Or he is mafia helping his buddy.

 

My only problem with rte was that which is why I was wanting to hear from HIM.

Would his answer had been the same if turin didn't post?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We didn't have an N0 peek but because that's not a thing this game but it doesn't matter because I'm a day cop and got an innocent result on Ithi just now.

Looking back, surprised I missed it. Thoughts on this?

 

It's to back his attempt to lead town. I'll explain more on this when I get home.

 

I wanna get back to this. Why did you think it was a bad thing for Darthe to lead the town? did you have a mafia read on him independent of his town leading attempts? I don't see anything other than a little bit of a "gut feel".  I haven't seen him trying to put himself above the fray. He may be playing it cool as far as that goes but it isn't looking that way presently. 

 

I know that you have calmed your gut . Do you think it a good idea to let him lead the town now?

 

 

According to Turin the above in bold would be a wolf tell for me as he says here.  Apparently trying to act as if you're unlynchable due to ___ reasons on D1 is scummy to him which is fine for someone to think.  However...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm already town now so how about NO?

 

Ugh god stop trying to confirm yourself.

 

Oh cause that is your thing, right?

 

Didn't you give me credit for not doing that a few pages ago?  You're fitting your argument to the thread at any given moment.

 

No I'm throwing your snark back at you. and using your schtick. You must think it is valid because you use it for yourself quite frequently.  Okay off to grab JS quotes.

 

Turin does it at the beginning of this quote nest, I call him on it, he gets snarky, I point out that that is inconsistent and now he covers.

 

Clear conflicts in presentation and shifting your opinion to the moment that it best suits you = wolfing.

 

 

 

So much for skimming

 

Placeholder, I think this is the beginning of the Gladiator 'challenge' and I want to read that with a fresh head. I'll try to make it on tomorrow before work, but may not wake up in time. If not, I'll try to find signal at lunch and try mobile posting :)

 

 

 

Don't think the initial catch was good, hypocrisy doesn't equal mafia, but the reaction is strange.

[Darthe]

Man Hence..-->Baguette is an old ass Darthe game meme.  I miss Smiley.

 

Hally claim irrelevant since she is 3p

 

WTH is bussing faux paus?

[BFG]

 

 

Ok guys I have about thirty minutes or so. I am about 15 pages behind atm.

Can you explain your reads/read evolution on Turin/RTE/Zander?

 

I found his early game scummy, when I voted him I was hoping to get something as a response, instead he took the way out and left me with no answer.

I have liked his few posts 1 or 2 that makes me think he could be town, and I would not like to lynch him today.

 

For Rte I read it first in thread, and I took it as he was talking to ithi.

I don't think he even responded to it until I asked him a second time (can't remember though)

 

Turin took up for him, as you can see I believed his post. Ley looked onto it and read it in thread. Guess what ley read the post the same way I did.

It looked to me as Turin took out the quote to make it look like it was hallia who he was talking about. The insult was just adding fire to it.

 

I voted turin as I found it suspicious, he claimed chikorita (mispelled it I think)

I read the series of posts in thread, and I still read it the same way, it took me focusing to see he ment halliah.

 

So I think turn was either town helping a fellow town. Most likely.

Or he is mafia helping his buddy.

 

My only problem with rte was that which is why I was wanting to hear from HIM.

Would his answer had been the same if turin didn't post?

 

Ok

[Darthe]

Seph you are nearly incomprehensible.  

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

 

 

Turin you've been certain I was a wolf for a bit now but you aren't coming at me.

 

I find that decidedly wolflike of you.

i'm still trying to decide if you are a wolf or just playing extremely foolishly. I am more confident that JS is a wolf and would prefer his lynch to anyone. FTR I have doubts about Hallia's claim. The cop part in particular. I would like to see if her percentages resemble mine. 

 

 

 

So you think that her claim is BS and still don't want to lynch her? Feels like bussing to me. 

 

[unvote] [v]Hallia[/v]

 

That is just ridiculous. Way to misuse a buzzword.  How can no one see that you are spouting rubbish?  

 

I doubt that she is a cop. I see no reason to doubt she is third party. I think that YOU are MAFIA. I would rather lynch mafia than 3p today. 

 

I still have a day to try to get more votes on you. Keep this kind of stuff up and you will make it easier.

 

 

 

I think she's lying about the cop move. I think that the main reason she'd be lying is if the WHOLE claim was BS. I think it's possible that she's your teammate. 

 

Hence, Baguette. 

 

So if she flips 3p? what you think then? I have reasons to believe that some of her claim is correct if she is in fact Jigglypuff. I see no way in heck that the cop part is true. First it doesn't make sense for a third party to have a cop view. Secondly it doesn't fit. I think it was Mashi that said that it wasn't a psychic Pokemon. 

 

You think it is possible that she is my teammate. Good luck with that. You should probably just kill me tonight. 

 

Do you have anything to say about your bussing faux-paus?

 

like I just said move types are irrelevant I have a move that I think doesn't make sense as well to prove my point on move types here is the pokemon wiki on Jigglypuff Jigglypuff can in fact use Psychic as it's a TM However third party Hallia is not town hallia

 

http://pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/Jigglypuff

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We didn't have an N0 peek but because that's not a thing this game but it doesn't matter because I'm a day cop and got an innocent result on Ithi just now.

Looking back, surprised I missed it. Thoughts on this?

 

It's to back his attempt to lead town. I'll explain more on this when I get home.

 

I wanna get back to this. Why did you think it was a bad thing for Darthe to lead the town? did you have a mafia read on him independent of his town leading attempts? I don't see anything other than a little bit of a "gut feel".  I haven't seen him trying to put himself above the fray. He may be playing it cool as far as that goes but it isn't looking that way presently. 

 

I know that you have calmed your gut . Do you think it a good idea to let him lead the town now?

 

 

According to Turin the above in bold would be a wolf tell for me as he says here.  Apparently trying to act as if you're unlynchable due to ___ reasons on D1 is scummy to him which is fine for someone to think.  However...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm already town now so how about NO?

 

Ugh god stop trying to confirm yourself.

 

Oh cause that is your thing, right?

 

Didn't you give me credit for not doing that a few pages ago?  You're fitting your argument to the thread at any given moment.

 

No I'm throwing your snark back at you. and using your schtick. You must think it is valid because you use it for yourself quite frequently.  Okay off to grab JS quotes.

 

Turin does it at the beginning of this quote nest, I call him on it, he gets snarky, I point out that that is inconsistent and now he covers.

 

Clear conflicts in presentation and shifting your opinion to the moment that it best suits you = wolfing.

 

 

 

So much for skimming

 

Placeholder, I think this is the beginning of the Gladiator 'challenge' and I want to read that with a fresh head. I'll try to make it on tomorrow before work, but may not wake up in time. If not, I'll try to find signal at lunch and try mobile posting :)

 

 

 

Don't think the initial catch was good, hypocrisy doesn't equal mafia, but the reaction is strange.

 

How do you mark the difference between hypocrisy and abusing things when they work for you?  It's wolfy behavior.

[Darthe]

That we aren't having this conversation at night right now is annoying.  Day lasts too long and it causes towns to lose focus and WIM.

[Turin Turambar]

 

@Darthe, just keep telling yourself that.  

Vague means of trying to weaken player's status through making them look incompetent

 

That's in wolfing 101 by Darthe

 

You make yourself look incompetent. I am just trying to help you see it. Using your own logic you should be voting me if you thought I was really mafia and then dealing with Hallia tomorrow. Because with a wolf down you could afford a day off. 

 

That is whty I want JS lynched. He is most likely wolf. 

 

 

@EP, Survivor just has to live to the end game. If they live regardless if mafia or town win, they win.

Wolf post.  Survivor is essentially wolf at endgame and here on D1 you're advocating for her to live.

 

Hally 3p

Turin/???/??? wolves.

 

keep em coming

 

Moronic conclusion. I answered the question. Do you deny that is how the role works? I agree that at L-1 a survivor basically has to side with mafia. But if the mafia get caught before then then the survivor can be kept around. That is why I would rather lynch mafia. Hence Snow. Mafia are the ones that will always go along with a 3p lynch. 

 

TBH I don't know your stance on it. I prefer to lynch mafia first. Hallia needs to come truly clean tho right now. Hold nothing back. Basically explain everything about herself and play super town or she will be the lynch when there is a question mark.

[Gabriel Kross]

I revoted Hallia Darthe when I saw she said third party. Oh guys remember how I said early game that Jigglypuff wouldn't be town? I need to go see who disagreed with my thought process.

[Hallia]

If it'll help, my cop effectiveness is 80.

[Darthe]

Turin taking the two in the bush (supposedly) over one in the hand is wolf behavior to a T.

 

@EP I called it dumb and stand by it being a wild guess.

[Darthe]

If it'll help, my cop effectiveness is 80.

 

It doesn't.  You're valuable in a one ring sort of way.