[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Leelou]

I refuse to post lolcats. I will remain adamant that your read is wrong.

 

FYI - 99.97% of the time, Des thinks I'm scum. He's wrong 98.67% of the time. I'm not afraid of Des.

[Cory Caboose]

I would suggest voting Tina then - maybe you'll live longer.

[Tommyrod]

Cory I'll play devil's advocate and show you a different perspective on every spew analysis you make

[Tommyrod]

So there was only one death last night with a coroner. And not a second no coroner kill. Anyone care to game what that means?

That basically tells me Nolder was the mafia kill and desbat was shot by someone else.

?_?

[Nynaeve]

Kathleen, Nyn, what color corsages?

 

Purple  <3

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[_CLOUD]

So there was only one death last night with a coroner. And not a second no coroner kill. Anyone care to game what that means?

 

That basically tells me Nolder was the mafia kill and desbat was shot by someone else.

 

I believe that both the mafia team and the Vig shot Yates. He lied about his claim afterall.

[Leelou]

I'm not voting anyone yet when I know your read on me is wrong.

[_CLOUD]

I'm not voting anyone yet when I know your read on me is wrong.

 

What happened to your scum read on me? :P

[Tommyrod]

This isn't usually a popular opinion but on 2+2 I read a bunch of theory posts about how forcing a non-peeked lynch the day a wolf is outed leads to better info than letting town stagnate for a day (or two in this case).

 

The game has been lazy enough as it is, with two guaranteed lynches in a row there will be no action. Let's push someone else.

[Nynaeve]

I'm not voting anyone yet when I know your read on me is wrong.

 

Yeah, don't be rude Cory. She needs time on the scum QT to strategize.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Leelou]

 

 

I'm not voting anyone yet when I know your read on me is wrong.

What happened to your scum read on me? :P

Still 100% there. Scum

[_CLOUD]

I'm going to re-read their posts tomorrow. Cya.

[Tommyrod]

I'm officially un-clearing everyone but CorJay. I think I was bang on when I said it's the people not making a splash who are scum. Leelou and Verb fit that. In retrospect, Hallia was spamming a lot lately. That's usually a scum sign for her.

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

I, like len was thinking that you should have kept some of that original info back Yates but now that you explain it, it does make sense.

 

 

Tina i am hurt. Did you forget I was in the game? Even after quoting something with my quote in it??

 

Oops! Sorry Dice. I went over that post twice to see that I didn´t forget anyone. Actually I don´t know where I got you this game. You sound much more calm than you use to do. Maybe it´s because people haven´t suspected you much yet? But you have almost the opposite thoughts than I have. You have a town read on both Red and Mynd, who are on the top on my scum list. Then we have posts like these:

 

also  mynd kept asking des to case or give his reads on the hydras.

 

Why is that a bad thing? how is it different then asking someone for reads on a bunch of players?

 

What would it have hurt if someone did case the hydras? They may find some interesting info. they may almost clear some people. They may get mynd to shut up about hydras which a number o\f people seem to want.

 

 

Be clear here i am not saying focusing exclusively on the hydra's only is a good thing but i dont see how casing them is a bad thing either. Hydras are not masons there could be mafia among them.

 

Don´t know why you choose to agree with Mynd about the hydras. A lot of people have made lists including the hydras. But why focus only on them. You say that you don´t think that we should focus only on hydras but that is what Mynd seems to want and you are agreeing with him.

 

 

 

also  mynd kept asking des to case or give his reads on the hydras.

 

Why is that a bad thing? how is it different then asking someone for reads on a bunch of players?

 

What would it have hurt if someone did case the hydras? They may find some interesting info. they may almost clear some people. They may get mynd to shut up about hydras which a number o\f people seem to want.

 

 

Be clear here i am not saying focusing exclusively on the hydra's only is a good thing but i dont see how casing them is a bad thing either. Hydras are not masons there could be mafia among them.

 

Right; they're no different than other players. Mynd has been arguing that they are more dangerous than a non-hydra player and using that as a reason to focus on them. It's factually incorrect, but has become a huge talking point because Mynd keeps bringing it up as if it's a really good strategy.

 

 

 

Blue   but they are a little. they have a QT and can work together to plot and achieve an end. that does make them a little different just like it does masons. Ordinary town players don't have somewhere to go and bounce ideas off someone or strategize except the thread.

 

 

Ehm... now I´m getting drawn into this fruitless discussion as well. Town hydras has someone to bounce ideas off - I don´t see why town hydras or scum hydras would be more powerful. 

 

@Tina - why do you feel that someone making bets on their alignment is more likely a scum thing to say?

 

I felt that she did it only to look town. 

 

I'm just not sure who I think is scum. Nobody has said anything that seems particularly scummy to me. I will admit that my last vote was just a bandwagon vote and I had no reason for voting her besides me wanting to get rid of my joke vote on Red (who I don't find scummy at all)

 

And I'm confused about all the random, non-game related meme stuff getting mixed up with what's important. It makes it difficult for me to figure out what is actually important and what is just silliness. Even a lot of things that look serious end up turning into some sort of joke. 

 

96 pages and you think that nobody has said anything scummy?

 

Krak... are you holding a Seance?

 

I lol´d. 

 

Krak seriously looks like scum just trying to find posts scummy enough to push. I think his suspects are Red, Dawn, Dice, and... Nolder?

 

I think Dice was the only non consensus one. Then he stopped.

 

Since mafia didn't shoot Nolder he could have been reading the thread with only the knowledge that DesBat was dead.

 

Makes more sense than him remembering the small black font no-coroner reported death and not the large blue font death anyway.

 

This is quite possible. It´s strange that he didn´t remembered the first killed that was mentioned. 

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo: I´m not sure what to say about him. The "I told you so" post look ugly but he hasn´t said much this game. 

 

Havnt said much? Ive said more than you and many others. It worries me that you are unable to decide one way or the other and take an actual stance on me. 

 

 

Len - the first serious post you had was #922. First you posted a lot of jokes/fluff and then you were away. When you got back you did your catch up posts. In the last one you listed Mish, Red and Dawn as mafia, and Desbat, Dice and Jack as maybe mafia. I agreed with Red and Dawn but not the others. Then you voted Red, said Mishtress couldn´t be scum because of vanilla claim and the next I remember is that you told us that you knew Mish would turn up town. Not much to go on. 

 

Tina: Can you show me a post or two of mine that you like or agree with?

 

Sure. Wait. 

 

 

It has taken me a long time to catch up. Here are my thoughts:

 

Feels town:

 

Cory/AJ: Have gone after Red and Mynd and I agree with most things they have said. I also agree with Cory about Dawn. I´m not sure that I agree with Red being town but otherwise a lot of good posts.

 

Tommy: Like Cory/AJ, I like his posts. 

 

Yates: I believe his vig claim. I also like they way he went after Red and Mynd. 

 

X: Voted Mishtress, which I didn´t believe in, but he stayed there and had reasons for his vote.

 

Nyn/Kat: The same as X. I´m a little worried that X and Nyn buried their votes on a townie but they tried to convince others to vote there so I get a townie feeling. 

 

 

Don´t know:

 

Zanube: All things she has done this game has been her strange vote. Want her to post more. Hope she is well.

 

Hally/Leelou: Hally seemed to hide behind her suspiciouns of Dawn but Leelou where more out in the open. I usually know her alignment but I can´t say she has done anything that is townie enough or scummy enough yet.

 

Jack: Will he read the whole thread soon? 

 

Krak: The same for him.

 

Lenlo: I´m not sure what to say about him. The "I told you so" post look ugly but he hasn´t said much this game. 

 

 

Mafia:

 

Mynd: I don´t like the way he defended Red. Why would anyone think someone would fakeclaim but still be town? I don´t like how he is going after the hydras. I didn´t like the story he tried to sell today with the na´s. I don´t like the way he talked about character claims being able to clear people. He said that we (Verbalina) jumped between Mish and Red which is false. We only voted Red.

 

Red: Still think she is mafia and I`m afraid that she will skate through the game now since she survived d1. 

 

Dawn: I have only played one game with her and she was clueless in a way that made me believe she is town. Here she is more absent than clueless. 

 

Amega/Cloud: Cloud has posted well but Amega has written some strange things. Amega went from believing Mynd to voting Mynd to vote Tommy for something that happend in the beginning of the game. Very weird. 

 

 

These are all probably worth looking @.

 

I'm locking in Red as town and I'm pretty sure the Yates kill was done to make her look bad.

 

Tommy, you look good from Tina's interactions with you as well.

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count (Of Doom):

Halleeloujah (1/8): Cloud

 

Non-voters (of doom) 12/13:

Krak, Crayjay, Len, X, Dawn, Jack, Verbalina, Halleeloujah, Dice, Red, Nyan, Tommy

 

71 hours til Night

[Cory Caboose]

I'm officially un-clearing everyone but CorJay. I think I was bang on when I said it's the people not making a splash who are scum. Leelou and Verb fit that. In retrospect, Hallia was spamming a lot lately. That's usually a scum sign for her.

I feel very confident all-but-clearing Nyn, Krak (Hallia had the scummiest nudge of Krak ever during Day 2, AJ pointed it out, it's one of the reasons we jumped ship on that lynch), Red and Jack.

I want to clear you but you know I never truly can. <3

[Tommyrod]

I think Tina might be spewing Krak scum there, but that's level 3. I'm not sure what level her spew is usually at. It's one of those soft "oh hey, later I can say I was suspicious of him when he flips" comments.

[Tommyrod]

I have to assume that a scum team that large would have been busing in small capacities from the start. Prolonged, day long pushes and momentum gathering votes are reasonable spew. One-off me-too comments are not.

[Nynaeve]

It is unusual that Verbal is so quiet. Usually he breaks out the big guns on D2 with all his logical crap. We're into D3 and I've seen nothing from him.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Tommyrod]

Btw CorJay this is for you

 

[Cory Caboose]

I don't know if I can pressure her any more than I already have. After finding it easy enough to soulread her last game I thought she was outed after her first post this game, but we weren't allowed to lynch her because it would be improper.

[Tommyrod]

Leelou had me fooled. Hallia also had some early comment that I thought was so poignant it put her out of her wolf range, even days later. I'm kinda disappointed (in myself).

[Cory Caboose]

I don't know if I can pressure her any more than I already have. After finding it easy enough to soulread her last game I thought she was outed after her first post this game, but we weren't allowed to lynch her because it would be improper.

 

This was about Dawn

 

as for the bussing, I think a bunch of derptown took holds of the narrative earlier (Mynd, Red, etc.) and scum just sat back and laughed @ us

 

I could see what Leelou-Cloud were doing yesterday as consequential bussing, and Hallia has treated Dawn very "oddly" as a suspect.

 

It would be really funny if we had three scum hydras

 

 

HYDRAS

[Andrej]

Lol scum u mad?

[Cory Caboose]

Leelou had me fooled. Hallia also had some early comment that I thought was so poignant it put her out of her wolf range, even days later. I'm kinda disappointed (in myself).

 

Leelou trying to fool you is actually what gave me that little gnaw on my brain where I knew I needed to know her alignment.

 

She FOSed Mish hard for her early "tempermental" posts, making it seem like she was overreacting Mafia

Tress posted a really villagery post about Mish being like that

You swooped in and said "Tress, this is a villagery post and I understand what you are saying about Mish being tempermental and it checks out"

 

Leelou throws a reads list that says "I understand Mish being tempermental early but Tress was clearly doing damage control"

 

One of the reasons I'm arguing in my Hydra QT that you are probably town, I think Leelou modified her read to suit your town narrative