[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[elffern]

##unvote ##vote golden , figure he's not gunna turn up anytime soon (sorry Hallie)

[Tommyrod]

 

If Golden flips town we move on and adjust our reads. If he's scum we scored big already. Is it lazy of me? Yes; don't really care right this moment though. 

 

But you avoided voting Nolder because your mafia reads weren't voting him. This makes little sense.

 

 

It's pretty simple, I had a stronger scumread on Golden than Nolder when Golden inexplicably sniped at me and Nolder actually tried to defend himself. Gold's bad opening, nonsense reads, interaction with Via is also difficult for me to ignore. I'll analyze the voting pattern after the flip, but if it's between the two of them today, I'm going Golden. Even if it's hypocritical reasoning, it's just one out of a dozen things that influences my decision.

[_CLOUD]

The fact someone hasn't hammered yet makes me feel good about this.

 

Why?

[Tommyrod]

 

The fact someone hasn't hammered yet makes me feel good about this.

 

Why?

 

 

I'd expect scum to quickly mobilize on a town wagon. If it's a scum wagon and it's obviously not going to change, I'd expect scum to hammer before a townie does to get town cred. If it's a scum wagon and there's a chance it'll change, they won't hammer.

[Tommyrod]

This is all D1 voting assumptions, btw. The same logic wouldn't work on D4, for example.

[Hallia]

Well I guess that settles that!  S'ok Elfie ^_^

[Elaevia]

Reading back a bit Nolder's train seemed to accelerate quite quickly, putting him into pole position for lynching. I liked his reaction to that though - continuing to post, add opinions to add to the game.

 

I don't agree with trying to start another train so close to deadline though, whatever the policy reason is and how strongly people feel about it.

 

Hallia seems quite ummmm flippy floppy with her vote in this last section of the day - seeming to change her mind quite a few times.

 

The game seems to have got a lot less heated recently as well, which I see as a good thing: looking at the tone of the first pages (after the day actually started around page 5 somewhere) there seemed to be alot of poking and riling.

 

As an aside at the mod: I quite like your alterntaive vote count, but in conjuction with the standard. As said above its is good to look at who has votes where without going through notes / posts but the standard one is best for instantly seeing the current situation.

[Elaevia]

Tom, yeah I read your notes. Let's just lynch both Golden and Via to settle the matter, lol.

 

 

So more setting up lynches then?

[BFG]

Ninjaed but never mind

 

Obviously I don't have the time right now to read some of the massive posts some people have made but rest assured when I get to them you'll hate me because I'll just be spamming the thread with catchup. Ketchup? Anyway...

 

I see Hallia hasn't voted anyone yet. Has she even posted since I voted?

I don't want to bury my vote over non participating because it's a null tell but I'm reluctant to vote people who are participating without better reads on them.

Eh whatever. Sorry but this is the best I can manage right now. Next week you'll probably be sick of how much I'm posting but for now you'll have to settle for this.

 

 

 

 

I will switch to Golden if Krak's train won't take off.

I have no issue voting Krak, either.

I don't see where Theo is going to get us right now though.

 

Might get us 1 up on scum. :P

 

It's not uncommon to see mafia, at least some of them, lay low on day 1 and let townies tear into each other.

 

 

Contradicting yourself here

 

BFG, from what I understood of Tom's post he is feeling good about Nolder because his scum reads aren't voting for him, which translates to the mafia not wanting to be seen on a townie lynch. They can then later push forward the argument that their reads have been better etc.

 

So mafia are more likely to vote on their teammates then town?

 

 

 

If Golden flips town we move on and adjust our reads. If he's scum we scored big already. Is it lazy of me? Yes; don't really care right this moment though. 

 

But you avoided voting Nolder because your mafia reads weren't voting him. This makes little sense.

 

 

It's pretty simple, I had a stronger scumread on Golden than Nolder when Golden inexplicably sniped at me and Nolder actually tried to defend himself. Gold's bad opening, nonsense reads, interaction with Via is also difficult for me to ignore. I'll analyze the voting pattern after the flip, but if it's between the two of them today, I'm going Golden. Even if it's hypocritical reasoning, it's just one out of a dozen things that influences my decision.

 

 

This makes more sense

[csarmi]

VoteCount Day01#17

 

 

01 - Peace: -> Elf -> Golden

02 - Cloud: -> Elf -> Turin -> Hoof -> Turin -> Nolder -> NULL -> Krak -> Golden

03 - Krak: -> Cloud -> Hoof -> NULL

04 - GoldenEyes: -> Elf -> Via -> NULL -> Nolder

05 - TommyRod: -> Peace -> Turin -> Hoof -> NULL -> Nolder -> Hally -> Golden

06 - Leelou: -> Nolder -> Hally -> Nolder -> Golden

07 - Theodora: -> Golden

08 - Elffern: -> Peace -> NULL -> Nolder -> Golden

09 - Hally: -> Golden -> Nolder -> NULL -> Krak

10 - BFG: -> Golden -> NULL -> Nolder

11 - Via: -> Golden

12 - Nolder: -> Hally -> NULL -> Theo

13 - BlackHoof: -> Peace -> Nolder

14 - Turin: -> Tommy -> NULL -> Krak -> Golden

 

 

 

Golden - 8 - Peace, Thea, Via, Turin, Tommy, Leelou, Cloud, Elf

Nolder - 3 - BFG, Hoof, Golden

Krak - 1 - Hally

Theo - 1 - Nolder

 

Not voting: Krak

8 to lynch.

Deadline: 2013-12-29, 20:00 GMT - this is final, no extension will be given

Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131229T21&p0=50&msg=ChristmasMM-D1

 

That's a lynch. Scene incoming.

[_CLOUD]

BFG, of course not, but you don't exactly want to be seen on every townie lynch either as mafia. That's also the reason why they spread their votes out over multiple trains.

[BFG]

@Cloud, also that's not what I meant. Your case on Krak seemed to be primarily that he had you as mafia then followed your vote. This is exactly what Tommy did, by your tells this should look bad, so what do you make of that?

[_CLOUD]

Where did he do that? I think he was feeling good about Nolder because the people he was suspicious of weren't voting for him. That's different than the thing Krak was doing, right?

[_CLOUD]

Krak followed me onto Hoof while he thought I was mafia.

[_CLOUD]

Oh you meant Golden.

 

*facepalm*

 

Now I really feel like an idiot, lol.

 

Yeah now that I think about it he did the same thing as Krak.

 

Care to explain why you are following your scum reads, Tom?

[csarmi]

...

 

'But I did nothing wrong? You can't do this to me!' says GoldenEyes. He looks baffled. Also angry. Very angry.

'Yes we can' says BFG calmly. Elfie saw you taking those plates. 'What you intended to do with them, I can't start to imagine!'

'They were mine. You said that we should bring stuff to the party?'

'With our family logo on it? A likely story. But you see, this is a christmas party. Just leave.'

 

With that, GoldenEyes is escorted out of the building. As it turns out, he never even had an invitation. A party crasher!

 

GoldenEyes, maffia goon, has been thrown out of the party.

 

...

 

It is night. You have 18 hours to send in your action. Day will start at 2013-12-30, 14:00 GMT

[BFG]

 

 

Tom, yeah I read your notes. Let's just lynch both Golden and Via to settle the matter, lol.

I'm leaning that way currently. But we'll see if I'm right or not when someone dies today.

 

 

 

##vote Golden

 

 

VoteCount Day01#17

 

 

01 - Peace: -> Elf -> Golden

02 - Cloud: -> Elf -> Turin -> Hoof -> Turin -> Nolder -> NULL -> Krak

03 - Krak: -> Cloud -> Hoof -> NULL

04 - GoldenEyes: -> Elf -> Via -> NULL -> Nolder

05 - TommyRod: -> Peace -> Turin -> Hoof -> NULL -> Nolder -> Hally -> Golden

06 - Leelou: -> Nolder -> Hally -> Nolder -> Golden

07 - Theodora: -> Golden

08 - Elffern: -> Peace -> NULL -> Nolder

09 - Hally: -> Golden -> Nolder -> NULL -> Krak

10 - BFG: -> Golden -> NULL -> Nolder

11 - Via: -> Golden

12 - Nolder: -> Hally -> NULL -> Theo

13 - BlackHoof: -> Peace -> Nolder

14 - Turin: -> Tommy -> NULL -> Krak -> Golden

 

 

 

Golden - 6 - Peace, Thea, Via, Turin, Tommy, Leelou

Nolder - 4 - BFG, Elf, Hoof, Golden

Krak - 2 - Cloud, Hally

Theo - 1 - Nolder

 

Not voting: Krak

8 to lynch.

Deadline: 2013-12-29, 20:00 GMT - this is final, no extension will be given

Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131229T21&p0=50&msg=ChristmasMM-D1

 

 

 

 

There's a lot of votes on Nolder. If he flips town we should go after Hallie. 

 

I don't like this post. Why would Hallia be scum if Nolder flips town? It sounds like you are trying to set up lynches.

 

Nolder - 7 - BFG, Elf, Hally, Hoof, Cloud, Leelou, Golden

 

Because if he's town, then a few probable townies now have a scum read on Hallia: Leelou, Nolder, myself. The wagon on Nolder went a little too smoothly, IMO. BFG (confirmed town) started it, another probable townie (Elf) got on, and then some grays/scum leans piled on it. Hallie, Hoof... Golden being on the end of that wagon seals the deal in my mind that Nolder is town (assuming Golden is mafia, which his low activity, weird interaction with Via, and behavior just now leads me to believe). Interactions-based reads can change a lot based on new info. 

 

I'm also uncomfortable with it because high scum suspects (Krak, Turin) aren't on the wagon.

 

 

 

Basically you don't follow the case of the person you suspect to be mafia onto someone else.

 

Cloud, what do you make of Tommy given this statement?

 

Also Tommy why are you happier being on the same train as your mafia suspects?

 

 

Turin is one of Tommy's suspects, was already voting Golden before Tommy joined the train...

[Tommyrod]

Oh you meant Golden.

 

*facepalm*

 

Now I really feel like an idiot, lol.

 

Yeah now that I think about it he did the same thing as Krak.

 

Care to explain why you are following your scum reads, Tom?

 

It's still D1; let's see what he flips. I change my mind a lot with new information.

[BFG]

ninjaed twice lol

[_CLOUD]

Huzzah!

[csarmi]

Nights will have a fixed 18 hour length. I will not call an early end to night in case all actions are in.

[Tommyrod]

Et voila. Any further questions?

 

This game probably won't last long. (Why does salami spell mafia with two f's?)

[Hallia]

I feel vindicated

[_CLOUD]

Knowing that Golden was mafia I won't be surprised if Via is too. Tom and Nolder both look good after Golden came with that terrible post where he said that he would be going after Tom if Nolder would flip town.

[Tommyrod]

The thread title threw me off. I hadn't realized we were in Day 1 til I saw the thread had gained like a million pages already. Looks like a pissing contest already? Tommy is slightly obnoxious, but I saw a preview of that in his secret circle game. I think between his and Turin's post lengths I'm going to go put on my glasses. Town reads on both. Cloud appears to be coming out a little more aggressively, but he's been lynched Day 1 in several recent games, so I'm not sure if that's a meta change or just an effort to survive Day 1, something Blackhoof seems to not be doing at all. Leaning scum on Cloud. I'm getting a townie vibe from Leelou, always Null on Peace at this point, I admit to have a hard time reading him. Nothing else as far as early reads go. I'll be around tomorrow night most likely, but probably not for the rest of the day. Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates, or whatever your end of the year holiday happens to be.

 

This post was made early enough (#208) that I doubt he could have predict he would be lynched by EOD1. Let's see:

 

-Says Tom and Turin are townfighting

-Null/fencesitting on Cloud, then scum on Cloud

-Implicates Hoof

-Town on Leelou

-Null on Peace