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Who *are* you, Nakomi? (Full spoilers)

Nakomi's ture identity  

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  1. 1. Who was Nakomi?

    • Just a random Aiel
    • A Jenn Aiel, somehow still around by TG
    • A time-traveler, someone from earlier days
    • Verin, she's all over the place, that one
    • An effect of the Wheel, or maybe a Creator-avatar
    • A Hero of the Horn
    • Lanfear
    • Graendal
    • Moghedien
    • Moridin
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    • Demandred
    • Taim
    • Tigraine


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What made the WoT such a great read was all the mysteries. That's why I loved the ending of AMoL. I read that book months ago, and here I am, on break from work, on Dragonmount discussing who the Aiel was in the final act. The pipe, Nakomi, all that stuff is intriguing to me. Personally, I believe Nakomi is an avatar of Tigraine passing between both worlds. Tigraine could be just a wise old soul who among other accomplishments sometimes gives birth to the Dragon Reborn.

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If she's Jenn, its absolutely theory fodder. There was nothing in the books that would lead down that road, absolutely deus ex machina. If its an avatar, she makes RJ a liar and is literally deus ex machina.

 

I like the Tigraine theory though. If that's it (or something else with some thread of foreshadowing in hindsight), I'll gladly eat my words on hating the mystery.

Unfortunately she doesn't physically seem a good match.

Why theory fodder if shes jenn, imo going by the books her being jenn is the ONLY theory that makes sense.
Because it drops out of the sky. It only makes sense because of how its dressed up- ie, she is dressed like an Aiel and has mysterious powers. Lets put it this way- if this scene happened in Egwene in Tar Valon with Nakomni dressed as an AS, the only logical thing would be that she was an ancient AS. There's nothing previous to her appearance that explains her appearance, aside from her appearance itself.
It makes sense because we know the jenn had some knowlage of the future and the motive for wanting to save the Aiel, now we know it happened while Avi was asleep adds more weight to Nakomi being a jenn dreamwalker.
We know AS had some knowledge of the future, motive for wanting to save AS, and ability to dreamwalk.
Yeah but the meeting didnt happen in the tower and wasnt significant to the future if the AS. It happened in the waste were the future of the Aiel was at stake. Your senario was hypaphetical while mine happened.
Yeah but thats my point- your argument is circular. It happened because it happened, not because anything we've read made it necessary or predictable that it would happen. Thats exactly my point.
Sorry mate , forgive my stupidity but not sure what this means.

Was Nakomi necessary whatever she was? Who wants any story to be predictabe?

Oops, just saw this. Anyway, while nobody wants a story to be too predictable, most people definitely dont want things to have no logical connection to things happening previously (particularly when they would seem to have been ruled out by the authors off camera words). Dumping something in at the end of a story that you cant go 'aha! this makes perfect sense based on what i know from previous actions' is a bad practice in general. For instance, it was a big surprise and pretty unpredictable how Rand laid the trap for Ishmael and used Calandor with the TP, but enough evidence had been previously displayed to make it logically entirely acceptable. It was foreshadowed (and foretold) that this would happen, but how it actually happened was still surprising and novel. In fact if it didn't happen, we'd feel cheated.

Nakomi is different. She drops out of thin air in the Waste for a minute, and then pops back up at the climax of 14 books. Its not quite Deus Ex Machina given that Nakomi didn't actually save the day, but otherwise all the objections to deus ex machina are present with her. If those two scenes were stripped out, we'd be none the wiser that this character ever existed, would exist, or should exist.

i agree, i always thought of nakomi as theory fodder serving no real purpose other than fan speculation. But be that as it may, she must have been SOMEONE.

 

Her being Jenn would be the only posible theory with a hint of foreshadowing, still fodder yes, but less so than other explanations.

 

ps. sorry for late reply.

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It seems like an interesting theory (and did Slayer actually have Luc's soul? It was my understanding that only one of them was dead, and if that were Luc then I could see the Horn working on him) the only problem with that (well there are several) is that it should have been referenced at some point in the series, one would think it would have played a role in the Last Battle at least? Admittedly RJ's position on the Horn seems to have been somewhat vague, at least in the notes.

 

 

The problem is that though Luc may not be properly dead and therefore would show up in his previous form, Tigraine should show up as a Hero of the Horne as Tigraine which she does not, granted they don't have to show up as their previous life, but it is my understanding that that is definitely the protocol.

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I know this is a bit late to be throwing out theories, but something made me think about this again recently and I think I have an answer that might make sense, and no, it is none of the choices offered in the poll...

 

The Wheel of Time series was completed several years ago at this point, the Companion is out, and none of them explain who she is. There is unlikely to ever be any outrigger novel published, nevermind, any outrigger novel that will explain who she is. I think we just have to accept that there will never be anything published that will explain who she is. So the question that burns in my mind, is WHY was this something that Brandon Sanderson could not answer. None of the proposed theories for who she is, AFAIK, explain this strange restriction. The odd thing is, there are 3 restrictions, (1) Who Nakomi was, (2) How Rand lit the pipe at the end of the series, and (3) How Rand and Moridin swapped bodies. With regard to how the pipe lit, Brandon himself does not know that as he has said. This leads me to think he does know or has an inkling the answer to one or two of the other "mysteries."

 

Regarding lighting the pipe, it is possible that RJ never told anyone how that happens, also he may never have fully formulated how it works, but wanted it to be there, so he just left it as a mystery. It does work as a wonderful ending, and the lack of the reader comprehending how Rand is able to manipulate reality without channeling is food for fodder, rather than a major letdown.

 

Regarding the body-swap, this one I suspect BS knows what is going on... I also suspect on this one, the reason he can't explain is related to the same reason he can't explain who Nakomi is... So back to the real question here, who is Nakomi? I think the only answer that makes sense is that Nakomi is Harriet, RJ's wife. I suspect the idea for the body swap was hers, and when RJ formulated the end the way it appears in the books, he decided rather than concocting some explanation for how the body swap worked, he would just have Nakomi (i.e. Harriet) show up and somehow provide encouragement.

 

I think that for whatever reason, Harriet did not want anyone to know Nakomi is her, and wanted to keep it private, so to do so, it kind of required not being able to answer how the body swap is done (not that there necessarily is an explanation formulated ever by RJ), which would have led to the revelation that Nakomi is Harriet.

 

Just to be clear, I think the pipe question is unrelated to the body-swap and Nakomi, rather in the end it was just a separate mystery that RJ felt needed no explaining.

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I voted for "Creator-Avator" but I also like the idea someone brought up about Nakomi being the previous Dragon to do what Rand did somehow still around (time travel, body trade, being super old, etc). I know Dragons are always male but that doesn't he can't be in a female body. Seems far-fetched still, but no more than the others =)

 

What ties does Verin have to Aiel? :wink:

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Reading through this entire thread, the best argument seems to be that Nakomi is an avatar of the Creator.  It's not definitive, but the people arguing it have presented the best evidence and made the best case by far. 

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My main issue is why would the creator take a hand in preserving the Aiel?  Seems rather unlike the creator to get involved like that for a group and to take such an open act. 

 

Any forsaken or BA can be ruled out, since again why would they care?  They would of been morel ikely to simply kill or capture Avi.

 

I still think there is a Jenn angle to this.

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Perhaps the Creator's champion is born by bloodline?? The Aiel are The People of the Dragon. Also, I do not agree that Nakomi is Tigraine, though I wish it were true. The reason is Rand would recognize her because of the tapestry. Shivan would look like Tigraine when the Horn was blown, just as Artur Hawkwing is known by his last life. Only channellers can disguise themselves. The Creator Avatar theory is still the strongest theory. It balances soo much and also helps explain the body swap. If the DO can, then Creator can. He would be forced to step in if the Pattern and Wheel were destroyed because Rand died when it was intended for him to live. This is an ability that only these two beings should have.

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12 hours ago, DemandredFO said:

Just like the red ships, maybe it would've been explained later but can't be now.

 

 

I think there's a hint in MoL where Amys or another wise one says Nakomi is an ancient name. which red ships do you mean Demandred? 

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6 hours ago, DemandredFO said:

Red ships I mean the ones that were in the prologue of ToM I believe.

 

cheers I'll try to find them 

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Nakomi, she was definitely from the future. 

I am far from my clan, yet very near...

And Aviendha says she looks familiar.

She could be her  and Rand's daughter. She can will things into existence , exactly like Rand after the Last Battle. 

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Which means she was probably Jenn, Far from clan yet very near,  Rhudiean after all was home to the Jenn and could be Avi saw her when she entered the rings in book 4.

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