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Hey, I may sound VERY stupid asking this question(if the answer turns out to be obvious) but I have to know! I was completely confused by Faile's anger at Perrin during the whole time they were together before she got kidnapped. I'm pretty sure it was described in Winter's Heart the most, but i'm not sure. So, does anyone have an answer for me? This has been bothering me for a while because I just don't get it.

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I think you'll need a woman to explain it, but i believe she was jealous and/or furious with Perrin for even putting up with Berelain.

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Faile is Saldean. We've learned that saldean wives like their husbands to yell at them. Maybe she thinks the only woman he should be so forceful with is her (Faile).

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The most important reason probably is that Faile is a woman, and so makes everything complicated naturally. However, Saldaean and Two Rivers customs are different. For Faile, his being purposefully submissive toward her means he thinks she is that much weaker than him, that she cannot stand up to him at all. She wants him to be stronger than him, but not condescending, thus the hurt. At the same time, he is shouting at Berelain, as if she is worthy of the challenge, and also plays cat and mouse with her as if wishing her to chase him. He acted like he had something to hide, and ran from Berelain like a maid from a courter. Thus the jealousy. She knows his behaviour results from his Two Rivers background, but that doesn't stop her thinking like a Saldaean, in her heart of hearts.

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yes, i think i tried to say something like that. I knew someone else could explain better.

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The most important reason probably is that Faile is a woman, and so makes everything complicated naturally. However, Saldaean and Two Rivers customs are different. For Faile, his being purposefully submissive toward her means he thinks she is that much weaker than him, that she cannot stand up to him at all. She wants him to be stronger than him, but not condescending, thus the hurt. At the same time, he is shouting at Berelain, as if she is worthy of the challenge, and also plays cat and mouse with her as if wishing her to chase him. He acted like he had something to hide, and ran from Berelain like a maid from a courter. Thus the jealousy. She knows his behaviour results from his Two Rivers background, but that doesn't stop her thinking like a Saldaean, in her heart of hearts.

 

Thank You.

Now that thats out of the way, now all that needs to happen is for the anti-faile crowd to come running in yelling and screaming about how faile is just a bitch, unlrealistic woman ect. And her reasonsings for being jealous of perrin are completely her own fault and has nothign to do with anything other then there own hate of her..

Then instead of me posting basically what you wrote, I can just quote it. Once again.

Thank You.

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There's the real answer.

 

The most important reason probably is that Faile is a woman, and so makes everything complicated naturally.
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There's the real answer.

 

The most important reason probably is that Faile is a woman' date=' and so makes everything complicated naturally.[/quote']

 

Thats only a given if you are a man. For women however the answer is much more complicated. The shadow of the shadow of the real thing would make your skin fall off. :P

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The truth of the matter is that all women are crazy, and RJ does an outstanding job of showing just how crazy Faile is.

 

It is also true that all men are stupid, and RJ does an outstanding job of showing just how stupid Perrin is.

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It's the simple fact that Perrin did not ignore Berelain's attempts and he allowed her to get under his skin. Faile wants Perrin to veiws these attempts as beneath him and unworthy of his notice. when he rises to the occasion (gets mad at Berelain} Faile deems this as "Taking notice" of another woman. The slants all point at what Faile deems as Perrin looking at another woman.

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Hey' date=' I may sound VERY stupid asking this question(if the answer turns out to be obvious) but I have to know! I was completely confused by Faile's anger at Perrin during the whole time they were together before she got kidnapped. I'm pretty sure it was described in Winter's Heart the most, but i'm not sure. So, does anyone have an answer for me? This has been bothering me for a while because I just don't get it.[/quote']

 

As the first response says, i'm assuming you're male? Nothing wrong with that - she's jealous of Berelain and cant understand why Perrin doesnt tell her to **** off. He's too polite of course, but she sees it as a slight to herself.

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As the first response says, i'm assuming you're male?

I don't know about the original poster, but don't make assumptions. I'm female, and I didn't understand Faile's problem either, at first. It was explained, eventually, but I still think it was an incredibly silly thing to fight over. Why couldn't she have just communicated with Perrin? (Or he with her, for that matter.)

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...but I still think it was an incredibly silly thing to fight over. Why couldn't she have just communicated with Perrin? (Or he with her, for that matter.)

 

You're looking at it through the lens of our culture. The whole point of the passage was that it was a culture clash that they couldn't seem to get around.

 

It's not a simple matter of communicating. This is the way she has grown up, the way she lived her whole life. This is normal for her, and doesn't need to be explained. When Perrin reacts to her the way he does, she reacts back through the lens of her culture.

 

You might as well tell a man from Japan that family honor is silly.

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Well, Faile is a Saldean noblewoman. Perrin is a Two Rivers blacksmith. So, when two people of opposite genders from VERY different backgrounds come together, misunderstandings are inevitable. With that in consideration the whole Berelain thing just makes it worse. If I'm not wrong, Faile's sour attitude towards Perrin began in Dragon Reborn when Perrin tried to get Faile off so that he could go to the Two Rivers alone. So I don't think you could say that the strange attitude began in Winter's Heart.

 

By the way...I am male.

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The whole point of the passage was that it was a culture clash that they couldn't seem to get around.

I'm aware of that. And as I said, I blaim Perrin for the lack of communication, too. Communication can get you around a "culture clash." But no amount of harping about cultural differences is going to change the fact that I don't like Faile, and that I think the fight was silly ;)

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