has egwene done the nasty?

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

just wondering, since pretty much every other major character has. i remember in LOC when she was in cairhien with gawyn them meeting at an inn. does this mean they have consummated their relationship?

[RobertAlexWillis]

just wondering, since pretty much every other major character has. i remember in LOC when she was in cairhien with gawyn them meeting at an inn. does this mean they have consummated their relationship?

 

I doubt it.  If I remember correctly, they were just canoodling in the common room, not GETTING a room.

[Gentled Ben]

There are hints that she might have gone that far in Gawyn's dreams, but not in the physical world, no.

[Graendals favourite]

I seem to recall they got a private dining room when they met, and Egwene thought to herself of the innkeeper smirking in a way that made plain her thoughts on what Gawyn and the Aiel wench were doing there. Not sure if they went beyond canoodling still though. But in Gawyn's dreams, yes.

[Caedn of the Taardad]

I don't think so either.

 

For one Egwene still seemed have some of the scruples which Rand and his three have now all thrown away; and for another, they where only in that room for an hour or so each day, which was largely talking according to some of her comments. 

 

[nnokwoodeye]

But in Gawyn's dreams, yes.

 

 

This is kind of creepy if you consider that she was sucked into his dreams against her will.

 

Then again she doesn't seem to mind so I guess it o.k.

[Casco]

Yes its kind of creepy..but on the other hand she did like it..alot :) She did consider joining his dreams more after that ;D

No, i dont think she did the goodie with Gawyn (how can you call it the nasty??) not with her body anyway, her real body.

[The Watcher and Wanderer]

I doubt it.  She was raised to believe in those good ol' Two Rivers values and I'm pretty sure those values dictate that a girl should wait until she is married.  After all Nyneave and Perrin both waited and Rand thought he had to marry Avi after they did it.  So in general I think Two Rivers folks just don't believe in pre-marital sex.  The one exception is Mat, but I don't think values were ever really his thing.

[Shard]

It may be creepy but then she's the one that didn't listen to the Aiel Wise One's warning against checking out other's dreams.

[Osan`gar]

they did have several encounters in the dream world. one would argue that sense she is a dream walker and can control herself and her environment there that any encounter she may have with gawyn in his dream is as real as any encounter in the waking world. if you can get injured and die you can do other things as well.

[Caedn of the Taardad]

they did have several encounters in the dream world. one would argue that sense she is a dream walker and can control herself and her environment there that any encounter she may have with gawyn in his dream is as real as any encounter in the waking world. if you can get injured and die you can do other things as well.

 

I don't think so, she may have been a Dream Walker, but she wasn't in Tel'aran'rhiod, she was in the place between, then in Gawyn's dreams, so it probably wouldn't have been real like in the world of dreams itself.

[MikeRiley]

When a dream walker enters another person's dream fully, the dreamer has full power over them.

[CUBAREY]

I don't think so either.

 

For one Egwene still seemed have some of the scruples which Rand and his three have now all thrown away; and for another, they where only in that room for an hour or so each day, which was largely talking according to some of her comments.   

 

 

I agree but have a second question. Since injuries in the Dream World are injuries in the Real World, could Egwene be considered to have lost her virginity. ;) :'( ::)

[RobertAlexWillis]

They didn't do it in Tel'aran'rhiod, people ... as far as we know, Gawyn was never in the World of Dreams except as part of Egwene's visions, and once as part of Moghedien's attempt to trap Egwene, and that wouldn't have been the real Gawyn.

[The Watcher and Wanderer]

I don't think so either.

 

For one Egwene still seemed have some of the scruples which Rand and his three have now all thrown away; and for another, they where only in that room for an hour or so each day, which was largely talking according to some of her comments.   

 

 

I know this is a nit picky thing, but for the record Perrin never threw away his scruples, he and Faile didn't do it until after they got married.  Mat really didn't throw away his scruples either because I suspect that he never really had them (lol).  

 

Ironically Berelain went after both Rand and Perrin but never went after Mat where she almost certainly would have hit pay dirt.

[lgautam]

I doubt it.  She was raised to believe in those good ol' Two Rivers values and I'm pretty sure those values dictate that a girl should wait until she is married.  After all Nyneave and Perrin both waited and Rand thought he had to marry Avi after they did it.  So in general I think Two Rivers folks just don't believe in pre-marital sex.  The one exception is Mat, but I don't think values were ever really his thing.

The Two Rivers do believe in pre-marital sex. When Rand insists that he marry Aviendha, she educates a little about Two Rivers customs. According to Egwene, if you were betrothed to the guy all you had to do was ask your mother's permission to do it. Aviendha says that Egwene told that she was planning to ask her mother's permission to do it with Rand.

 

[Shard]

When a dream walker enters another person's dream fully, the dreamer has full power over them.

 

And this is exactly what she was warned against.

[Caedn of the Taardad]

I know this is a nit picky thing, but for the record Perrin never threw away his scruples, he and Faile didn't do it until after they got married.  Mat really didn't throw away his scruples either because I suspect that he never really had them (lol).  

 

Ironically Berelain went after both Rand and Perrin but never went after Mat where she almost certainly would have hit pay dirt.

 

To be nit picky in turn, I wasn't talking about Perrin and Matt, I was refering to Rand and his three: Elayne, Aviendha, and Min.  Perrin keeping his scrupels just further supports the case.  Also, you may recall how embarssed Egwene was when she was just sitting on Gawyn's lap, let alone kissing him...

[CUBAREY]

The Two Rivers do believe in pre-marital sex. When Rand insists that he marry Aviendha, she educates a little about Two Rivers customs. According to Egwene, if you were betrothed to the guy all you had to do was ask your mother's permission to do it. Aviendha says that Egwene told that she was planning to ask her mother's permission to do it with Rand

 

Actually you are wrong when telling Aviendha of Two Rivers "Customs" Rand thinks to himself that anyone asking permission for what he and Aviendha had done would have been whipped or some such. Pre-marital sex in Emonds Fields was not unheard of but it was definately not a commen thing or one you asked permission of your parents for.

[Gentled Ben]

Well, you notice that she makes the distinction of getting her mother's permission...cos you know what her Daddy's gonna say!  :D

[lgautam]

What Aviendha told Rand -

<quote>

"Egwene said she thought of asking her mother's permission for you, but before she mentioned it her mother told she had to wait another year"

</quote>

<quote>

"If she wants him, and is old enough to marry, why should she need permission?"

</quote>

There's a whole lot more but from what I can make from it is that once a couple gets engaged they've got to wait a year before getting married. During that year, if the girl wants to do it, she's got to ask her mother's and the Wisdom's permission. The men know nothing of this custom.

The reason Bar Dowtry and Kimry were punished after being caught was because Kimry failed to ask permission.

[a5m]

Ironically Berelain went after both Rand and Perrin but never went after Mat where she almost certainly would have hit pay dirt.

 

I believe she saw Matt and didn't consider him since he was too much like herself.

[zzyzx_scarecrow]

Quote from: The Watcher and Wanderer on March 28, 2009, 07:19:35 PM

Ironically Berelain went after both Rand and Perrin but never went after Mat where she almost certainly would have hit pay dirt.

 

I believe she saw Matt and didn't consider him since he was too much like herself.

 

That was in Shadow Rising, I believe.  Mat hears her muttering something like that as she passes through the halls of the Stone.

[deathgate]

Don't forget that although everyone talks about how beautiful Berelain is she is not Matt's type as he always talked about plump woman and how Tuon is too skinny.

[Charlz Guybon]

Don't forget that although everyone talks about how beautiful Berelain is she is not Matt's type as he always talked about plump woman and how Tuon is too skinny.

Berelain's got curves.