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Whilst camping by Illian in tPoD, Rand sends Narishma to fetch something for him. Knowing of the impending 'cleanse', I had initially thought that it was the two figurines (I forget their names, sorry) that Rand had hidden in the wall in his apartments that Narishma had been sent for.

 

It turned out to be Callandor. I was stunned, as perhaps I had missed something, but it seemed a totally random thing for Rand to send for after all this time.

 

Also, I like Narishma, I havent got further than book 9 but I like him. I trust him and he was not (I dont believe) involved when Dashiva et al tried to kill Rand, mentally retarding Morr. But sending him for Callandor!? Rand must trust him beyond belief, yet he talks of a 'massive risk'... why couldnt he just Travel to the Stone, and retrieve Callandor himself?

 

Obviously things would have been much better for the Light-side if Rand HADNT had Callandor as is seen shortly afterwards.

 

When did he decide to get it, why, and why send Narishma?

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So Narishma will be faithful? I hope so.

 

I think i've just read the first splitting of the BT, if you can call it that. Taim has listed Dashiva etc as deserters but has included Narishma and Flinn on the list. He must know that they were not involved, Rand told Taim that he'd told them to stay out of the way. The chapter also mentions that Logain and Taim now have their own factions in the BT, and if I were a bonded Aes Sedai, i certainly know which faction I would want to follow...

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Also, when Narishma gets back he tells Rand that Rand neglected to tell him about all the traps woven around Callandor and that he almost got killed because if it.  I never had a clear understanding of what and why that happened?  I have seen mentioned on the boards before, but there was never a clear answer.  What did happen? did Rand not tell him everything?  or forget something? and Why did it happen?  Did someone else place traps around Rands in an effort to kill Rand?

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I imagine that Rand wove some sort of traps around Callandor that meant only certain types of people could get to it; ie no darkfriends or forsaken. He wouldnt have told Narishma about this as he wanted to be sure that Narishma wasnt a darkfriend. I seem to remember Rand's fears were that Sammael or someone else would come and take Callandor from him (wasnt he fighting Ba'alzamon for it before Moiraine killed B?)

 

I think the fact that Narishma managed to figure it all out and bring back the sword proves that he is astute, intelligent, capable and trustworthy.

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the traps were inverted so maby Rand told him how to do it, but narishma didn't how to begin. But it wasn't Rands goal to kill him.

and I guess narishma is faithfull, but prophesy is never clear, who knows what "will follow him" means, but I think he's faithfull.

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I always thought that the whole "I nearly died because you didn't tell me about all your traps" - "I swear I told you about all the traps" thing was a result of Rand telling Narishma about all the traps HE laid down, but somehow neglecting to mention the additional traps that any one of the forsaken placed on the sword after he left it there in the hope that they'd get Rand were he to come back for the sword.

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What is the whole prophecy about another taking Callandor out of the Stone?

 

into the heart he thrusts his sword

into the heart ot hold their hearts

who draws it out shall follow after,

what hand can grasp that fearful blade.

 

That's the best I can do from memory as I don't have TSR right handy.

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    Something else to consider, this is also during the time when Rand is having problems dealing with the power, leading to when it sickens him and also, he is still trying to cope with LTT being inside his head.  I think that he unknowingly, forgot to mention a couple of traps. It had been a long time since Rand had done it and with all the pressures wheighing down, he could have forgotten.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

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into the heart he thrusts his sword

into the heart ot hold their hearts

who draws it out shall follow after,

what hand can grasp that fearful blade

 

Hmmmm. Its only my interpretation, but I would read that Narishma is going to follow Rand IN something. Not just be a follower of Rand, but be the follow-up TO Rand.

 

How weird would it be if Narishma was the body-swap...

 

I know i'm going to get flamed here, so please remember this is purely my own personal musings on the issue!

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Hmmmm. Its only my interpretation, but I would read that Narishma is going to follow Rand IN something. Not just be a follower of Rand, but be the follow-up TO Rand.

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I remember some people saying they thought when Rand retires Narishma would be given "Dragon duties." Thats how they put it. The thing wrong with that, though, is that Narishma isnt a Dragon, not a reincarnation of the Dragon as RJ had described it, so Narishma cant be the next Dragon.

 

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into the heart he thrusts his sword

into the heart ot hold their hearts

who draws it out shall follow after,

what hand can grasp that fearful blade

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The last line bothers me. The first line is obvious-Rand thrusts Callandor into the Heart of the Stone. The second line indicates that Rand does it to bind the Tairens to him. The third refers to Narishma bringing it back to Rand. And the fourth... "What hand can grasp that fearful blade?" That has to mean Narishma is special in some way. Technically and male channeller can use it. Rands traps werent attuned so that only Narishma could grab it, so what does that fourth line mean?

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what hand can grasp that fearful blade

 

When I look at this last line I believe it is speaking of Collandor being flawed; meaning what hand can grasp this dangerous broken thing? 

 

Min had a viewing of Elayne with a "hand floating" over her head.  It was in one of the early books.  Not sure which one.  I think Elayne will make a hand that will allow Rand to wield Collandor.  The hand will offset the flaw within Collandor, giving Rand an ace in the hole.

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Elayne to make a hand for Rand? It would go down well I suppose, especially if the hand is a ter'angreal, but could she really make one that make Callandor safe? I dont think shes powerful enough myself even though she is noted for her potential

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Just because she can make them doesnt mean she can make any. Callandor is second only to the Male Choeden Kal that we know of. Just because she can mae angreal, do you think she could make another Choeden Kal? Callandor amplified the Taint, encouraged the minds wildness, we know this from what Cadsuane said. So is it really possible for Elayne to make something that would make Callandor safe? It would have to be a VERY powerful angreal/terangreal, and Elayne, at this point, has only been able to make a few terangreal so far

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I look at it like this:

 

There was a reaason for the viewing that Min had of the hand floating over Elayne's head.  The viewing had nothing too do with Rand because it was a viewing for Elayne, something that Elayne would do.  She's the only one in a coon's age who can make any sort of focus item.  It stands to reason that if she can make one, she could make others as she gained experience.  I think of this as sort of blacksmithing with the power.  You get better as you practice.  . 

 

Elayne is included in those strongest to be found in who knows how long group with the others, Egwene and Nynaeve.  She hasn't tried to make anything uber powerful as of yet but I believe she is getting better piece by piece. Anyway, so who's to say that she can or can't.  Everything that has been done by her, Egewene, or Nynaeve thus far have been things that they shouldn't have been able too do. 

 

Lastly,  Cadsuane  doesn't know anything about the making of, or what it takes to make angreal or ter'angreal.  Everything Cadsuane knows was passed down by word of mouth and nobody even knows where it came from. No one does with the exception of possibly the Forsaken, who lack the ability as evidenced by their greed for certain items,  and Elayne.  Any Aes Sedai would be doubtful of anothers rumored ability to make these things because no one has done it since pre-breaking.  They believe the talent is lost along with the instruction for training.  ELayne has shown that its more of a feel for what you want the piece too do, rather than a set recipe.

 

My money is on her making the hand for Rand.  Makes sense and was forshadowed at a point where it would largely be forgotten; as it was barely mentioned as a memory, I believe as it was mentioned in like book three or four, and only once that I remember.

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what hand can grasp that fearful blade

 

When I look at this last line I believe it is speaking of Collandor being flawed; meaning what hand can grasp this dangerous broken thing? 

 

Min had a viewing of Elayne with a "hand floating" over her head.  It was in one of the early books.  Not sure which one.  I think Elayne will make a hand that will allow Rand to wield Collandor.  The hand will offset the flaw within Collandor, giving Rand an ace in the hole.

 

I like this interpretation.  Elayne doesn't have to remake Callandor, She only has to make a ter angreal that will form a buffer between it and Rand's link to the source.  Like pouring soup though cheese cloth. 

 

Also, since the taint is gone, magnifying that particular aspect is no longer a concern.

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There was a reaason for the viewing that Min had of the hand floating over Elayne's head.  The viewing had nothing too do with Rand because it was a viewing for Elayne

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My money is on her making the hand for Rand.

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You said in the same post that it would have nothing to do with Rand.

 

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Min had a viewing of Elayne with a "hand floating" over her head

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How does it describe the hand? Does it say it is a severed hand? A quote or book & page number would be nice for that viewing. Im curious about it now

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narishma retrieved callandor for rand ... that was his task .

but i think that one of the forsaken ( probably female ) wove extra traps around callandor in order to destroy rand when he came to recover it ... narishma managed not only to undo rands weaves but also those of the unknown forsaken. the forsaken did not know that rand had the 'keys' to the Choden Kal.. and did not know of narishmas other task

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Avegot beat me to the punch, thanks. 

 

Its in The Great Hunt in chapter 24.  Min saw a severed hand when she looked at Elyane. 

 

When I said it had nothing too do with Rand I meant that the viewing didn't mention rand.  It had to be something that would be done to Elayne or something that Elayne would do.  Since Rand had his hand severed and Min saw the severed hand when she looked at Elayne; I believe that Elayne will make a new hand for Rand and through it he will be able to wield Collandor at full strength and the hand will compensate for the flaw.

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'severed hand"????

Rands hand was burned away with the power , it wasnt severed... but just about anything short of death can be healed. plus if Bale fire burns out the threads of the pattern into history, then the power (in theory) can reach into history ... perhaps a way of recovering the hand thru that.

just an idea.

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