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Do you think one Forsaken will betray the DO?


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Then again look at Ishy.  He went over to the Shadow because he convinced himself that was the winning side.  If he sees the DO losing.....he might be tempted to lead the Shadow..

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Graendal is the only one who I see possibly fitting into this category, and the possibility is very, very small.  The Forsaken are all very, very intimidated by the Dark One.

 

And no, Lanfear would not leave the Dark One for Rand.  She always loved power more than Lews Therin.  Her "love" of Lews Therin was her love of controlling him and the power he represented.

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Like Robert, I see Graendal as being the only possibility, and a slim possibility at that.

 

Moridin is the least likely. Of all the Forsaken he is the only one to actually believe in the cause. The rest are all acting out of self-interest.

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I don't see any of them betraying the Dark One either.  The only reason any of them might is because they are motivated by self interest.  If they get to losing too badly, one or two might think about it, but none actually would.  Betraying the Dark One is going to be a lot more fatal at least in an immediate sense than betraying the Light was.

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Lanfear's loyalty is to herself and only herself.  Simply changing sides to support a winner wouldn't be adequate for her ambition.  She doesn't want to serve, but to be the one who is served.

 

Of course, that ambition has been curtailed quite a bit.  It is rather difficult to have you own agenda when wearing a mind trap.

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If there was a better chance of them surviving by betraying the DO than staying with him then I think they would betray the DO, but unless it's a pretty sure thing that they'll survive, I really doubt it. The Forsaken are all about saving their own skins. Loyalty is not a concept they understand.

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Ishy wouldn't betray the DO.  He's not in it for self interest.  He thinks he's on the right side.  He didn't join the DO for glory, power, lust, greed, envy, spite, acceptance, vanity or fear...  He actually believes the DO knows what's best and unlike the other Forsaken I think he even knows he's just a tool.

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You do realize that he is about as nuts as you can get?  Anyone who thinks killing time, destroying the world in other words, has some serious issues.  Apparently, he is so far gone that he doesn't even realize he wouldn't survive the obtaining of his goals.

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Doesn't realize it or doesn't care?  I think Ishy wants reality to end and recognizes his own end in it.  No, he's not sane, but I don't think he has any delusions about what will happen if the DO wins.

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Apparently, he is so far gone that he doesn't even realize he wouldn't survive the obtaining of his goals.

 

I think he does.  You'll notice he doesn't bother setting up for a post Day of Return kingdom to rule.  I think he wants annihilation for everyone, including himself.  He just wants to be last in order to make sure everyone else went before him.

 

Truthfully, I don't think he has much of an independent mind left anyway.  I think the "ultimate price" of using the True Power is having your will completely subsumed by the Dark One.

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You do realize that he is about as nuts as you can get?  Anyone who thinks killing time, destroying the world in other words, has some serious issues.

 

I am not >.>

 

doesn't care?  I think Ishy wants reality to end and recognizes his own end in it.  No, he's not sane, but I don't think he has any delusions about what will happen if the DO wins.

 

I know it will be my end and i don't care, let the world burn^^

 

(honest to god, ishmael is easily my favorite forsaken for the simple fact that we share a lot of the same views, and i see how if one lost their mind how my views could easily lead to the situation ishmael is in)

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the only forsaken who ever even showed an inkling of betrayal was asmo, it was a small seed, but given time he might have come over to the light.he is dead, so now we will never know.

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Asmo was betrayed by Lanfear.  When that happened, he had nothing left but to consider going fully over to the Light side.  Yet he didn't.

 

Lanfear actually came much closer.  She wanted Rand to use the Choedan Kal with her and attempt to overthrow both the Dark One and the Creator.

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I can see Demandred, under similar circumstances to his betrayal of the Light, betraying the Shadow- to make himself the winner, in a manner of speaking. Doing what Lews Therin can't, or backstabbing Ishamael- and consequently the Dark One- at the wrong time, something along those lines.

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