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Moiraine at the White Tower

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It's clear she didn't have the angreal in New Spring, since she would of used it in her fight with the BA.  Also after the Dragon was reborn the companion goes on to say a lot of older Aes Sedai were dying (being killed off by the BA since they suspected only older and experienced Aes Sedai would be involved in the hunt).  This caused a big turnover in things like sitters.  So after a few years Moiraine leaving the tower without permission was a small thing, especially since from 972 to 988 when Siuan took over there had been three other Amirlyns.  With such a turnover Moiraine was hardly a big priority or going to be arrested on sight for leaving the tower as a young Aes Sedai without permission.  

 

Tamra Ospenya was Amyrlin when the dragon was reborn and wouldn't allow Siuan or Moiraine to go out on the hunt.  As the companion said Moiraine was held by Tamra's command to stay in Tar Valon and do various make-work.  With Tamra's death, Siuan and Moiraine  were freed to take part in the search, since each had a list of names to go by.  Moiraine went off alone because Siuan was being groomed to be the Blue' eyes and ears.

 

Sierin Vayu took over for Tamra but was assassinated by reds because she was about to put an end to the male channler program and then Marith Jean took over.

 

Siuan never said Moiriane has never returned in twenty years, just twenty years of planning and two messages since you left the tower.  But as someone else pointed out she never said when Moiraine last left the tower.  We know they have spoken since Moiriane left the tower because they spoke in New Spring.  Moiraine coming and going as she pleases, without asking the ajah head or anything, would also explain why she needs to be taught discipline.  It's unlikely after so long they would simply be upset about Moiraine leaving with out permission.  But Moiraine sneaking in or coming in and getting an angreal would or simply leaving without saying a word. 

 

Also it would seem a bit odd in that long of time Moiraine never gave one status update until saying she was going to the Two Rivers.  She probably sent where she was going each time so Siuan would at least know where to send any important messages through the Blue's eyes and ears.  No one seemed surprised she bonded Lan, so how would they know if she never contacted or been to the tower since she left?

 

 

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Also another make you wonder moment in TGH pg 322 Moiraine says "Before we left Tar Valon I made arrangements, should anything happen to me, for your bond pass to another".  So when was this?  We know it wasn't when she was at Fal Dara since she said we had no word of Lan leaving Fal Dara for any length of time, also highly unlikely she would ride to the WT and the ride back while beating the Amirlyn coming by ship.  

 

Since she slipped off again and the Amirlyn was annoyed, we know she didn't go there after leaving Fal Dara since there is no way she could of beaten the other Aes Sedai there.  They were going by ship and using the power to speed their journey, so no way Moiraine could of beaten them there.  Unless Lan and her snuck in the WT.  So when was Lan and her and the WT?

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To Sabio:

 

I think you have already made clear that Moiraine visited the WT a few times while searching for a Dragon in previous posts.

It is no longer necessary to respond to another questioning , because who wants to keep to his "truth" ...

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Just bringing it up since it's a moment I had forgotten all about, I had always assumed they left Fal Dara and went to the WT.   Since it would seem to fit, Moiraine knows Lan is in love and one day wants him to be with Nyn.   But this conversation got me thinking about how that wouldn't make any sense.

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On 12/3/2019 at 11:55 PM, Sabio said:

 

Also another make you wonder moment in TGH pg 322 Moiraine says "Before we left Tar Valon I made arrangements, should anything happen to me, for your bond pass to another".  So when was this?  We know it wasn't when she was at Fal Dara since she said we and no word of Lan leaving Fal Dara for any length of time, also highly unlikely she would ride to the WT and the ride back while beating the Amirlyn coming by ship.  

 

 


good catch. I’d also forgotten completely about that. It states outright she had been back to the Tower (no Aes Sedai twisting). Of course it could have been after Fal Dara and before she ends up with Adelaes and Vandene. 
 

we know Moiraine did the pass-the-bond weave to Myrelle at some point, and per Myrelle she was specifically supposed to pass it to Nynaeve once she was raised to the shawl. Obviously she couldn’t have set up passing it to Nynaeve before going to Emonds Field. I always assumed she set up the bond passing before going to Emonds Field, then sent Myrelle a message after tEotW. 
 

at the risk of not supporting the Moiraine-returned-to the WT after NS viewpoint the quote could just show that Moiraine and LAN went to the WT after Fal Dara. Doesn’t make much sense since the Amyrlin and Co went straight to the WT from Fal Dara and Moiraine left them before they got there. 

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Also, there is this, from tGS, chapter 13. Gawyn is sparring with two Warders, Sleete and Marlesh:

 

"Sleete carried a heron-mark blade and was near-legendary in the White Tower for his prowess. He was said to have bested even Lan Mandragoran twice out of seven bouts, back when Mandragoran had been known to spar with other Warders."

 

To me, that reads as though Moiraine has been back to the Tower in the past. More than once, really (back when Lan used to spar with the Warders, and then later on when he wasn't doing it anymore).

 

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