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18 hours ago, Sooh said:

Having the candidates create a thread for the individual Ajahs' public boards within a topic that suits that Ajah and host that for a set amount of time might be a good task? We could create a list perhaps together of various topics and separate them by Ajah. 

 

I like that idea! They can do it 1 Ajah (and Warders) at a time, or a few together. That means they can move at their own pace.

I also like the idea of creating a list of topics, for those who can't think of something themselves.

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I like the way that this is going but how would we make the difference between Novice/Accepted and then Algai/Manshima?

 

Maybe they could do a bit more general stuff for the first stage and then a more involved ajah by ajah/discipline by dicipline at the second stage?

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I get that people have a history of not wanting to make things easy here but looking at it objectively, we lost a huge percentage of people with interest in the WT by requiring a very work like class, and then a lengthy leveling up procedure.

 

if the board wants traffic, if it wants to be a place people come for socialization and entertainment, I really think that all needs to change.

 

the more things are like a job the less people will want to hang out. It's a different world, and people use the internet differently than they used to.

 

we want to welcome new people who may only be familiar with a TV series, and we don't event know what that Tv series will be like yet.

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6 hours ago, blank said:

I like the way that this is going but how would we make the difference between Novice/Accepted and then Algai/Manshima?

 

Maybe they could do a bit more general stuff for the first stage and then a more involved ajah by ajah/discipline by dicipline at the second stage?

 

Is that necessary? Or is it something that creates a sense of onus in people that causes them to be repelled by the board in general?

 

we get a lot of burnout here. 

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I think there should be something to earn, and thus be proud to have accomplished. It is finding a home within the White Tower.

 

If it's just a matter of pick an Ajah or become a Warder, then RP club may be best suited for them. But to be a part of a real community, I think there should be some path to follow.

 

With that said, I think it can be a simple path, but there should still be effort and an opportunity to explore to find their home. The initial class is a good intro. Having a mentor is a liaison to the Tower and understanding the process. There needs to be visiting and an opportunity to go more in-depth with top choices so they can find their home. The previous points could have been a bit daunting. So we need the process, but keep it simple and straight forward.

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

I'm glad I joined The Tower when I did as my advancement felt like an accomplishment. However we revamp the process, there still needs to be that sense if making an effort and advancing so it can be a meaningful experience and accomplishment.

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I also appreciate having to earn a title or rank. I don't want to see people show up on their first day and announce themselves as "First Captain General Lord of the Purple Undead Army," or whatever.

 

(Although, come to think of it, that would be an awesome rank.)

 

That said, I earned my initial ranks (Aspie, Algai, etc.) when it was easy to do so. We had a lot of activities going on where I could earn points, so my training and rise was swift and didn't feel over-burdensome.

 

Then came the outages in 2018, and suddenly a lot of people were AWOL, and it became impossible to achieve higher rank. That was frustrating, and could easily be the cause for people to drop out from lack of interest. 

 

So maybe a balance? Perhaps continue the introductions and fact-finding missions, but not quite so many points needed to qualify before advancement?

 

 

And on a different note, is anyone else bothered by the fact that it's impossible to see if a club has new unread posts without clicking down into each one? The top of this page has eleven links to sub-clubs (is that the right term?) plus Members link and a blog, and I have no idea if any of them have anything new.

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Overview is super useful. You can also see Unread Club posts, when you go to forum and click on "Unread Content". It includes club stuff with the forum posts.

 

James makes a good point. I don't know if our current system works for raising people. I've been starting to think on viable raising systems with the limited activity. Tricky part is it would need those that are Active to step up. Maybe even a merging of the ranks, that way we don't have to separate the future warders and sedai's until they officially aspire one group or another.

 

 

Possible Raising Requirements: (Forgoing the points system.)

  • Introduction Class (Same as)
  • Write a Blog Post about a current Interest & Share
  • Interview one (Aes Sedai or der'Mashima (?)) member, minimum 6 Questions
  • Petition an Ajah or Warder Path for a Project. (Yellow's may suggest research one plant on healing properties. Red's maybe a specific badass woman in history, Browns a book review, Warders a weapon style, or battle in history, etc). No word requirement.
  • Actively Post for 1 Month as any given rank??
  • Share a Book Character or Chapter that is important to you (in some way).
  • Write a silly story about the White Tower using the members of the tower. (with their permission?)
  • Pull off a Prank. (A personal favorite)
  • Visit every Group!

 

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Stupid thing posted before i finished. I can add more once I am not yelling at my hooligan children from running around our new tv. ?

 

I think my suggestions ideally encourage self-starting activity instead of just relying on others to post. This way we can use the new blood to re-boot the old blood.

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added a few more. 

 

Maybe pick 2-3 to complete to get to the next rank. This way they can rush through with all sorts of things, or take their time. This will help fill the ranks quickly but also appeal to those that like doing things. (I mean, if they are just active for a month, that's kinda nothing, but at the same time projects aren't always wanted by everyone). 

 

And maybe have a special "title" for people that complete all of them. 

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I like them Arie. I do think there needs to be a visit of some kind with each group as to provide opportunity to get familiar with them, so an educated choice in Aes Sedai and Warder, and then home, is possible. Keep the tasks simple. Easy to do, but effort needed. Option to do more at their own pace. 

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I think the Introduction class kinda covers the visits, right? (if i recall correctly). So that's included in that set up. I could be wrong tho, so then yes, that's another good one to add to the list!

 

We could give a list of subjects, for certain! I think it's also fun for people to learn to reach out and ask?

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There's the "visit threads" and then there were visits with each Ajah, where certain amount of points. Maybe points can be replaced with an activity with each Ajah and Warder group. 

 

1. Class with Teacher (Novice/Warder Path equivalent, at least a month minimum, can take longer)

2. Get Mentor

3. Activity in each Ajah and Warder Group

4. Chose path Aes Sedai or Warder (Accepted/Warder Path equivalent, at least a month minimum, can take longer)

5. More in depth Activity with Aes Sedai or Warder Group

6. Time to Explore to decide Home

7. Pick Home (Aes Sedai/Warder)

 

Just some quick thoughts.

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that one sounds the most rounded out. with enough exposure/time to really choose which path and ajah are for you. that's my biggest concern in slimming things down. you dont want people coming thinking they know what ajah they're going to and not having enough time to realize their home is elsewhere

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Kinda goes both ways. We like getting to know people too, and we can't do that if it's all about us. So a combo of it is just as important. People are often more excited to share things they care about then to listen only to what other people care about. Balance is important.

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i agree. my only point is they need time and exposure. we can't streamline that out 

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makes complete sense. A lot of what you listed is kinda in the intro class..  -ish.

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The class was the last we saw of almost every new member for the last two to four years.

 

if the place is complicated enough to need that level of depth just to be able to be part of the group, it's not going to work.

 

if there's anything that can't be covered in the intro R&u posts, it should maybe be added there.

 

when I joined the class was mainly about getting comfortable with other new members and a little intro to some older members. Then it suddenly became a part time job a few years ago and it stopped working. 

 

By stopped working i mean it stopped engaging people with the group and started driving people away. And making such a mess over having to present yourself with intro posts in every group.... there's like ten groups... in every group... and god forbid you copy paste your intro or fail to interact with these people you don't know or go back and have in depth convos in ten threads... people will be mad at you forever.

 

Most people just want to hang out at their leisure and they should be able to do that. If you want to keep a healthy active group anyway.

 

some people may want to do extensive dissertations and fields of study and fine, have that available.

 

but I beg y'all not to keep putting up barriers to regular people who don't have endless hours and interest in turning what is perhaps a simple interest into a job. 

 

And keep in mind that what flew for book nerds may not fly for tv fans. Cause face it, we tapped the book nerd market and if there's any new life coming it will be tv fans.

 

if I'd joined after the reqs and all got so intense I'd probably have left. As it is now, the field trip threads and the social obligations (which I can't meet and feel guilty about) of dealing with new people who are forced to post in every Ajah despite a sometimes very clear lack of interest, knowing full well ill never see most of them after their field trip post, makes me not want to even look at DM much of the time.

 

does it have to be like this? Like the classic book white tower that insisted on not changing even though the world changed completely? Cause people are just gonna go to Facebook or something. The one or two a year who are of a temperament to stay are not going to keep the place afloat.

 

I propose:

 

put most of the material from the classes in a main join up intro post for people to absorb as they will. R&U and move on.

 

do away with the class or else hold it with small groups of new members as small groups appear and have it be more about socializing and feeling comfortable than doing homework. Homework is a dealbreaker for most people playing on the Internet. Why list all the Ajah heads when most of them will be gone by the time the class is done for example. Why list any of the things that can be looked up as needed,

 

let people choose AS or Warder path when they're ready. With few exceptions, people know coming in what they're going to choose and very little will change that unless they're very young and don't know themselves.

 

make reqs for next two level ups simpler and able to be accomplished with or without active Ajah members within a maximum of one year and I would say much less, because this is for fun, and endless slogs aren't fun for most.

 

run a thread or discussion suitable to each group maybe? Lasting a week at most? 

 

Next step if we must have two steps... idk, people are different, Ajahs are different. We don't have events and I don't anticipate enough people to have events for a long time so... some one on one time in three or four ajahs? A longer discussion or thread in three or four ajahs? There's little point in forcing continued interactions with every Ajah and disc if you have no interest in several because there are usually pretty solid and permanent reasons you narrow your interest down. And letting folks interact more naturally and at their own volition in other ajahs without having to deal with a coercion factor would make it a more welcoming place.

 

for the final jump let that be up to the ajahs and discs if they have anyone around I guess.

 

im thinking in terms of getting new people interested and invested without feeling overwhelmed or turning their personal choice of relaxing happy fun time into a time and life suck that they quickly regret.

 

im sorry I m brusque, I don't know how to make things sound nicer. I honestly want DM and the WT to succeed and to grow and I've been watching them wither away for so long, I just really want to see it turned around and get off the path it's been on ?

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@Arie I like where you're going you say things nicely.

 

only thing I don't like is pranks but I assume that's not a req.

 

definitely like the self guided aspects and the ability to speed up the process.

 

Vote Arie

 

 

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I agree the process should be at the discretion of the individual. Some may choose to linger at a certain level while others rush through.

 

I think the "class" could be streamlined to be less "deep". It should be fun and engaging, less a chore. Maybe part of it could be like a scavenger hunt. Just feel like there should be some form of "introduction" a bit more than just read this and sign you understand. A group class could be a good idea, at least as long as there are a few to participate at once.

 

A teacher and a mentor were very beneficial to me. Helps to have folks to ask and help the newcomer gain confidence.

 

Definitely want to see us grow our numbers. Don't want to frighten folks off, that's for sure. Just want advancement to be a meaningful experience. For those who just "kniw" where they're going to wind up, it may be a quick experience, and for those who want to explore a bit more, might take longer.

 

Maybe have a role that's a member prior to choosing to start their "training".  Then when theur ready, the can start the "streamlined" process. Just want to see becoming a Warder or Ads Sedai be a bit more than announcing that they're joining a particular group just because they want to without any chance to experience The Tower or examine themselves within it.

 

Just hope that makes sense. I'm willing to help in any way I can.

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*blushes* thank you!

 

The class can totally be streamlined- especially since a lot of the hunting stuff is no longer in the public eye. 

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i agree dj

 

streamline definitely, and totally agree with cindy on the whole homework aspect of the process especially given how flux leadership in some ajahs have been recently. at most knowing the leadership structure within the tower should totally be a read and agree type thing. 

 

i think we're all on the same page as to making it fun and engaging and not in any way a burden that would dissuade people interacting and joining. there does need to be a balance though. books or tv, achieving a rank should feel special. not something you can just willy nilly claim. 

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I mean, I'm just suggesting new raising projects, not scrapping the traditions and such that often comes with raising.

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i know. i think we're in one of those talking past eachother while in total agreement type things

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