Little Miss Mafia [Basic] 9'er - Game Thread

[The Crusher]

19 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

K ta - bold clarifies what was bothering me. Won't go back and pull quotes but I thought the gist of it was

Dice - Explains NB in Dice way

Crush - You're saying a lot of nothing. Why?

Cass - You think it's weird of Dice to do that? (It isn't really? But what's your thoughts?/reasoning)

Crush - 

Dice - I think the issue Crush, is that I'm trying to explain NB in a Dice way, to you, who doesn't know NB.

Cass - But... ?

 

Essentially, I don't think Dice answered Crush's question

Or that Crush answered mine.

Which <.<

What question would you like answered? 

[Lizabeth]

9 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Yes. And then I'd like to hear your take on her take on notbob's take on the argument too.  

 

Lol

We're a hydra and I don't even feel like I know what your thoughts are on anything...

[Lizabeth]

27 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

Caught up to here. Words cannot express how happy I am that there were not 4394892385908940589034 pages to catch up on, and to see this shift.

 

FTR AJ, I am happier with this than the vote on me. 

 

Gonna add that I think this shuffle/consideration looks good for AJ. Caveat that it could be from lack of real traction on me? 

 

Assignment still not done. I'm regratting all my avoidance strategies. Still a dead horse with a lull in higher order thinking, so don't expect any amazing calls connecting things together just yet.

How do you think of his vote independent of his previous vote on you, though?

 

(good luck with the assignment, tho. I do not envy you, my friend! :hug: )

[Lizabeth]

14 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

 

 

I don't know what to make of Kat. I don't have her either way, but I do recognise that her talk of being bad at maf etc can happen when she's Town. Pretty sure I've seen her emulate it as scum though, @Sooh?

 

Actually, I'd like to hear Sooh's thoughts on this as well, if she has particular insight.

 

I'm kind of being stubborn in my town read on Kat, because it's the kind of read on a kind of player that I'm usually right on. But yeah....

 

(I still think she's town!)

[Cass]

No insights on the rest, really.

 

At this point I probably wouldn't lynch Nyn/Liz, but ?

...

Won't fight a lynch on anyone else but me, cos I know my worth ? *flex*

 

 

10 hours ago, Sooh said:

I think it's more about attitude and approach than specific reads for me. She's open and inquisitive, and she fires questions in several directions plus considers the answers. I feel like in the past she has had much more of an agenda when she has been scum, but take that with a grain of salt, because my memory is a sieve.

 

I didn't actually get the feeling that she had me so very low. Can't really remember what she said about Kat without going back to look (which I may or may not do. Had a busy day and tired!).

Sooh with reading my mind.

Forgot to talk about your read on me - The talk about 'punchy' reads was weird ?

 

10 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

Lynch me and find out ?

 

Pretty sure I’m right about Cass though. And feel decent out of the rest it’s Bob with her.

Well then...

 

10 hours ago, Andrej said:

Specifically because out of everyone she has mentioned, she made the most pointed comments about how she can’t read him, etc.

Thoughts on this now?

 

10 hours ago, Andrej said:

(I’m mostly waiting to see who Cass votes for)

FTR This one bugs/ed me AJ

 

In the sense that I know you know my history with voting, and for you to use 'who' I vote for as a thing to try and analyse me (fit me with your reads), before any flips, rather than reading me on how my behaviour looks for me seemed like waiting for a chance to push.

 

OTOH You do tend to approach the game more logic-ish than me, so ?Maybe it fits.

 

I can't word this properly right now. But logically, I'm not sure it makes sense.

You have reads on people. At this point in the game, they can't be solid data for a towny, but you say you want to use my reaction to THEM to read me. Instead of reading my approach to the game. Which meh

 

But then, you reconsider instead of pushing me on it... so hmm.

 

How would where I put my vote (or lack of) influence your thoughts on my alignment?

[Lizabeth]

Gah, I always feel wary when NTJs say what I'm thinking >.>

 

And yes, AJ, I think you're an ENTJ

?

 

But yeah....

 

##vote @鲍勃不是我的名字

 

 

[Lizabeth]

2 minutes ago, Cass said:

No insights on the rest, really.

 

At this point I probably wouldn't lynch Nyn/Liz, but ?

...

Won't fight a lynch on anyone else but me, cos I know my worth ? *flex*

 

 

Sooh with reading my mind.

Forgot to talk about your read on me - The talk about 'punchy' reads was weird ?

 

Well then...

 

Thoughts on this now?

 

FTR This one bugs/ed me AJ

 

In the sense that I know you know my history with voting, and for you to use 'who' I vote for as a thing to try and analyse me (fit me with your reads), before any flips, rather than reading me on how my behaviour looks for me seemed like waiting for a chance to push.

 

OTOH You do tend to approach the game more logic-ish than me, so ?Maybe it fits.

 

I can't word this properly right now. But logically, I'm not sure it makes sense.

You have reads on people. At this point in the game, they can't be solid data for a towny, but you say you want to use my reaction to THEM to read me. Instead of reading my approach to the game. Which meh

 

But then, you reconsider instead of pushing me on it... so hmm.

 

How would where I put my vote (or lack of) influence your thoughts on my alignment?

What about Sooh's comment about "punchy reads" feels weird to you?

 

And I kind of did feel like I missed something between AJ saying you were scum and him saying you might be town...I'll have to go back and reread his reads list. I didn't even have to skim because there was so little to catch up on.

[Cass]

 

10 hours ago, Sooh said:

I don't know yet. I have you and NB as my lowest ones. 

 

I find it interesting that you think it's Cass and NB but you're basically only pushing Cass now in terms of asking everyone their thoughts on her. 

 

This was a good point. Contributed to my thoughts on shift possibly as a thing for lack of traction.

But him shifting to NB means he's at least considering us both as options. Right now I'd say it at least means that AJ & NB are ? less likely to be WW

 

 

25 minutes ago, Andrej said:

I’m doing the stuff I didn’t really want to do this game because nobody else is doing anything ?

 

Luckily work is slow and so I have literally nothing better to do.

 

I’m going to reiterate in saying that Liz/Nyn, Zander & Sooh should be off the table imo. Don’t wanna lynch any of them.

 

Crusher is playing and I like what I’ve seen so far but I don’t know his scum play so I’m not the one to discern. He seems chill though and pointing out good stuff. Not concerned here.

 

That leaves me with four, and presumably if I’m correct with the above then two scum within that group.

 

Cass. I’m less sure on Cass being scum but I still wouldn’t put her in my townie pile. I admit that we are very different thinkers and that makes it hard for me to understand her style, and while she has been mostly commenting on the going-ons of the game, I feel the focus/conclusions are wrong. Like delving into the idea that Liz dislikes being read incorrectly which was what perpetuated the flare up. Or how Zander getting/being stoned changes stuff. It just seems nonsensical to my robotic, analytical brain (forgive if you are town Cass ❤️) as to why it’s important to her. It just reads like much ado, in the sense that she is showing work but not necessarily doing it?

 

What makes me less certain was her questioning towards Crusher in more recent posts regarding Dice’s read-but-no-read on NotBob that Crusher called out. It seems like she’s starting to press Crusher a little over it, which to me aligns more with what she said about him in her reads (null/uncertain). Still, I wonder how much she thinks Crusher’s history with Dice is actually relevant.

Hopefully all more clear now?

 

25 minutes ago, Andrej said:

Dice. Null. There are some thoughtful posts (irt Liz) that showed depth imo but I sort of like Crusher calling him out on that NB read. I know Dice got asked a lot to explain the whole JC/NB thing but that has been a large portion of his filter. Would like to know where he stands suspect wise.

Agree. 

The fact he explained NB that way/as null? Can go either way.

I think he's had an ok focus/looked at other people, but not in any TOWN!DICE! way yet

 

 

25 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

Kat. Always a soft/sore spot for me. I know that she hates D1, and will complain about sucking and not having good reads, but moments like today when she was around and posting gifs puts my back up, especially after some of the conversation that took place before she came back (she responded to Zander) and knowing she’ll likely not be around for since it’s a holiday tomorrow so her vote will go unused. All that said, she could still be town. but one of these days she’s gonna burn me not hanging her for it.

Kinda what I said about her, IIRC, but you called me out on it for not having her more Town and now you put her in the same basket I did?

 

 

For whatever reason DM won't let me get under the bottom quote so, WRT NB I actually would like a clearer idea of why he wants to lynch Zander. I'm probs def missing stuff, but was it the take that Z's not as ENFP SUPER CRAZY so far?

@NB 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

NotBob. His Sooh scum tells are bunk. The reason to want to lynch Zander is bunk. Looks like he’s making this stuff up as he goes while playing to his unconventional ways as cover to not explain or answer questions.

[Andrej]

8 minutes ago, Lizabeth said:

Gah, I always feel wary when NTJs say what I'm thinking >.>

 

 

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And yes, AJ, I think you're an ENTJ

?

 

 

But yeah....

 

##vote @鲍勃不是我的名字

 

The last time I did one it was ISTJ, but the I/E and S/N were pretty close. As it pertains to Mafia I think my S traits come out more strongly in the later parts of the game cause I have hard evidence to analyze than I do on D1 where I’m mostly playing blind.

 

You nailed the TJ part ? 

 

why does it make you wary tho

[Lizabeth]

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

 

Cass. I’m less sure on Cass being scum but I still wouldn’t put her in my townie pile. I admit that we are very different thinkers and that makes it hard for me to understand her style, and while she has been mostly commenting on the going-ons of the game, I feel the focus/conclusions are wrong. Like delving into the idea that Liz dislikes being read incorrectly which was what perpetuated the flare up. Or how Zander getting/being stoned changes stuff. It just seems nonsensical to my robotic, analytical brain (forgive if you are town Cass ❤️) as to why it’s important to her. It just reads like much ado, in the sense that she is showing work but not necessarily doing it?

 

 

While I also disagree with her conclusions (about me specifically, obviously ? ), I do get the ENFP (seemingly) random questions thing. And I do get how Zander being stoned could change things, because that did make me pause and go "Ohhh...that could explain it..."

 

But, I have felt like I wanted more "oomph" from her pushes. Still not sure if it's about business or if the business is convenient.

 

And ftr still not sure on you because of the Clov Treatment...but dammit you sound like you're town. But I know that means nothing when it comes to you two ?

 

Wouldn't lynch you today, though. Hopefully you help us flip scum and I can (semi) clear you! \o/

[Lizabeth]

Just now, Andrej said:

 

The last time I did one it was ISTJ, but the I/E and S/N were pretty close. As it pertains to Mafia I think my S traits come out more strongly in the later parts of the game cause I have hard evidence to analyze than I do on D1 where I’m mostly playing blind.

 

You nailed the TJ part ? 

 

why does it make you wary tho

Lol, the tests aren't that accurate, imo. I've taken tests that labelled me as an introvert (which is just lol for anyone who has known me since childhood :P).

 

And I'm wary because I have a history of being pocketed by strong Te users because that logic is so damn tantalizing to me

 

Just ask @Nynaeve

 

 

[Lizabeth]

Oh! And I just remembered what bothered me about Cass with the Zander vs. Me thing. In two separate posts it seems like she was playing both sides...like if it was in the one post, I wouldn't have been pinged. But she had one post that seemed to be saying "Liz just doesn't like to be misread, that was the problem", and then when I reacted to that, she had another post saying something like "Zander was just high", but it didn't seem linked to the original post?

 

Not sure if that thought makes sense to anybody but me, but let me know if you want me to clarify and I'll try.

[Andrej]

1 minute ago, Lizabeth said:

And I'm wary because I have a history of being pocketed by strong Te users because that logic is so damn tantalizing to me  

 

[Cass]

Last reply then I'm out.

 

26 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

I think the “you” Dice is talking to here was actually you? As in Cass. Obviously Dice would know that Crusher knows NB.

Yep. I got that, now, just reading it at the time didn't follow it that way, hence why I was clarifying relationships who knew who. Higher order thinking skills, remember?

 

19 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

What question would you like answered? 

The ones right there, that I said I asked but you didn't respond to?

Why was the way Dice worded his NB read so 'weird' to you? Knowing Dice?

 

16 minutes ago, Lizabeth said:

How do you think of his vote independent of his previous vote on you, though?

 

(good luck with the assignment, tho. I do not envy you, my friend! :hug: )

Answered, and thanks. Hopefully it'll teach me a lesson. I've certainly learned a few things, in any case?

 

6 minutes ago, Lizabeth said:

What about Sooh's comment about "punchy reads" feels weird to you?

 

And I kind of did feel like I missed something between AJ saying you were scum and him saying you might be town...I'll have to go back and reread his reads list. I didn't even have to skim because there was so little to catch up on.

Punchy feels weird because it's like she's saying she'd expect TownCass to have punchy reads, which I don't understand. Want to see her explanation to decide if it was just filler.

 

WRT AJ's shift to me, I'm considering that him considering differences in our play (my behaviour) might be a good thing.  OTOH, it depends how much weight he gives my behaviour, generally. There are some things I expect him to use to weigh me, and I know he recognises the difference in our play styles. In this case it's likely NAI - could be logical shift and giving me space, from a Town perspective, could be Scum moving off a non-traction-gaining vote.

[Cass]

8 minutes ago, Lizabeth said:

While I also disagree with her conclusions (about me specifically, obviously ? ), I do get the ENFP (seemingly) random questions thing. And I do get how Zander being stoned could change things, because that did make me pause and go "Ohhh...that could explain it..."

 

But, I have felt like I wanted more "oomph" from her pushes. Still not sure if it's about business or if the business is convenient.

 

And ftr still not sure on you because of the Clov Treatment...but dammit you sound like you're town. But I know that means nothing when it comes to you two ?

 

Wouldn't lynch you today, though. Hopefully you help us flip scum and I can (semi) clear you! \o/

 

You too, with the oomph on the pushes? o.O 

 

[Lizabeth]

2 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

[Cass]

3 minutes ago, Lizabeth said:

Oh! And I just remembered what bothered me about Cass with the Zander vs. Me thing. In two separate posts it seems like she was playing both sides...like if it was in the one post, I wouldn't have been pinged. But she had one post that seemed to be saying "Liz just doesn't like to be misread, that was the problem", and then when I reacted to that, she had another post saying something like "Zander was just high", but it didn't seem linked to the original post?

 

Not sure if that thought makes sense to anybody but me, but let me know if you want me to clarify and I'll try.

 

Makes sense to me.

My scattered thoughts, less so.

 

Essentially I was just trying to read each of you based on your own behaviour, see if it fits with my understanding of you both. It's not like either/any of those things were a problem in the sense that you were pushing each other for it. They were just what I was considering might contribute to your natural reactions/reasons for arguing so much about it. I see the whole thing as pretty NAI.

[Lizabeth]

2 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

You too, with the oomph on the pushes? o.O 

 

Sorry.

 

And it's not so much the pushes as the questions.

 

Although I'm realizing that I might never have played with town!Cass. I think I've read town!Cass from the spec stands before though....

 

I mean, you've acknowledged that you're not playing at full throttle so far. I'm willing to give you another day though.

 

I've already forgotten whose voting whom other than the votes on NB and zander, but who do you think would be the best lynch for today?

[Cass]

❤️

 

Out.

 

 

[Lizabeth]

Just now, Cass said:

 

Makes sense to me.

My scattered thoughts, less so.

 

Essentially I was just trying to read each of you based on your own behaviour, see if it fits with my understanding of you both. It's not like either/any of those things were a problem in the sense that you were pushing each other for it. They were just what I was considering might contribute to your natural reactions/reasons for arguing so much about it. I see the whole thing as pretty NAI.

Okay.

 

*ponders*

[Lizabeth]

1 minute ago, Cass said:

❤️

 

Out.

 

 

Glgl! ❤️

[Zander?]

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

Of course nightmare scenario would be like a Zander/Crusher team.

 

Am I being too cavalier with you @Zanatron ???

 

I don’t wanna meta dive but I may need to.

 

I hate the Cavs...WE THE NORTH BABY!!!

 

Also...funny in this scenario for me its you and Crusher boo.

[Lizabeth]

1 minute ago, Zanatron said:

 

I hate the Cavs...WE THE NORTH BABY!!!

 

Also...funny in this scenario for me its you and Crusher boo.

Why those two?

[Lizabeth]

Oh, you mean that's your nightmare scenario?

 

[Zander?]

52 minutes ago, Lizabeth said:

I was true slanking today (so proud of myself! :P) and I'm not caught up, but I'd really prefer not to lynch kat today.

 

If she's scum, I'll eat my hat (metaphorically) but I'm pretty convinced she's just typical town Kat. She's actually the town read I feel most confident in, just based on my track record with her (which admittedly includes mostly town games with one survivor role thrown in...but I think the soft signs point ot her being town).

 

I won't defend her if she doesn't step it up by D3 though. I know she's capable of being useful as town when she makes an effort. (*cough @Katiora)

 

Anyway, I'm going to skim. Not sure where Nyn is at on things, but I'll post some thoughts, assuming I have some new ones.

 

Liz.. how many games have you played with Kat for her to be your strongest Town read...?!?!?!