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Who should/will the Dems run in 2020?

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31 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

He lost to Cruz in Texas. Name me a Democrat who hasn't lost to a Republican in Texas. And I mean Texas at large, not the Mayor of Austin.

 

Ann Richards had a pretty good run although she eventually lost to Dubya in her bid for reelection.

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"I don't like Beto for Pres given he just lost to Cruz but he would make an excellent VP candiate imo.  I'd love to see him unleashed in VP attack dog mode lol."

 

That was the Idea when Bush !, selected Dan Quayle for VP. That turned out to be a politcal disaster although to his credit Quayle proved to be an above average VP by most other standards.

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10 hours ago, Lenlo said:

From what I have seen? Some people want O'Rourke to run, since he managed to get Texas in contention, even if he lost.

Here is an Atlanitc article that disputes the fact that O'Rourke actually proved to have run an exceptional campaign and which highlights some of this polic positions which would be problematic in National race where the decision would likely rest on middle of the road unaffiliated voters.

 

"https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/why-did-beto-orourke-lose-texas/575104/

 

 

Also, just remembering the almost decisive hit which Bush II took in 2000 when his DUI was revealed days before the election we should remember that O"Rourke has a decidedly more serious DUI record to explain to the national audience. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Police-reports-detail-Beto-O-Rourke-s-1998-13195088.php

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7 hours ago, WWWwombat said:

Also, I love Elizabeth Warren, but I don't see her as a good national candidate being a super-liberal from MA.  I also really dig having her represent me in the Senate.  It would be fun to see all the Persist posters though.  Seth Moulton's been getting some buzz.  He's got a great resume and he could be a great candidate some day, but I don't think he has the political chops yet (as evidenced by his involvement in the attempt to take down Pelosi without actually offering a viable alternative).

 

Yeah, Moulton is a 24/28 candidate.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Tyzack said:

Would you rather have the Rock perform open heart surgery on you or a medical doctor?

Being a surgeon, and being the president are two completely different things.

 

There is no 8+ year degree requirement to be president.

You aren't required to be a lawyer, a businessman, or even ex-military. Literally any tom dick or harry can be President.

 

So you're argument is nonsense.

Trump is a horrible president, NOT because he's an glorified reality tv star. He's a bad president, precisely because he is a horrible human being.

 

Any actor in Hollywood, are just as much of a businessman/woman as reality tv star Trump. Sometimes Hollywood actors have agents, sometimes they represent themselves. They all negotiate, and make deals, some like Sienfield are better at it then others.

 

 

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On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

 

In no particular order 

 

Warren

No longer a threat imo.

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Harris

I dont think she can be the top of the ticket. Maybe VP but honestly she should sit as CA senator for awhile longer. 

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Beto

Maybe. I don't think he plays well on a national level though tbh.

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Abrams

Not sure who this is. Might be indicative of something.

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Gilabrand

Which purple states do you think she could sway? I don't see this happening but I guess it's not impossible.

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Booker

I don't think so.

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Bloomberg

He might run. I think he would lose though.

 

On 12/7/2018 at 7:40 PM, Tyzack said:

Hickenlooper

 

Too bad Deval dropped out, others I can’t think of right now

Don't know either of those names.

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5 hours ago, Nolder said:
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Abrams

Not sure who this is. Might be indicative of something.

 

Stacy Abrams, ran for govenor of Georgia. 

She'd probably end up as a better VP choice, but, again, we are talking ticket position here, we're talking running at all.

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5 hours ago, Nolder said:
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Hickenlooper

 

Too bad Deval dropped out, others I can’t think of right now

Don't know either of those names.

 

Hickenlooper is the governor of colorado, Deval Patrick was the governer of massachusetts. 

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5 hours ago, Nolder said:
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Harris

I dont think she can be the top of the ticket. Maybe VP but honestly she should sit as CA senator for awhile longer. 

 

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Beto

Maybe. I don't think he plays well on a national level though tbh.

 

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Abrams

Not sure who this is. Might be indicative of something.

 

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Gilabrand

Which purple states do you think she could sway? I don't see this happening but I guess it's not impossible.

 

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Booker

I don't think so.

 

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Bloomberg

He might run. I think he would lose though.

 

Harris/Gillibrand -> I think either one would make a strong top ticket, actually. Gillibrand could make a good play in the midwest, since she's from there, and if you pair her with Beto, Abrams or Gillum for VP, that ticket would also be strong in the south.

 

I think Booker and Warren have "lightly campaigned" for long enough that they need to run, though I don't think they'll win. 

 

I roll my eyes of Bloomberg.

 

 

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On 12/8/2018 at 9:21 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Being a surgeon, and being the president are two completely different things.

 

There is no 8+ year degree requirement to be president.

You aren't required to be a lawyer, a businessman, or even ex-military. Literally any tom dick or harry can be President.

 

So you're argument is nonsense.

Trump is a horrible president, NOT because he's an glorified reality tv star. He's a bad president, precisely because he is a horrible human being.

 

Any actor in Hollywood, are just as much of a businessman/woman as reality tv star Trump. Sometimes Hollywood actors have agents, sometimes they represent themselves. They all negotiate, and make deals, some like Sienfield are better at it then others.

 

 

 

...I disagree.

 

Being President is essentially three jobs 

 

1.) Being head of state - representing the US nationally and internationally.

2.) Directing public and foreign policy.

3.) Running and managing a large corporation/bueracry. 

 

Our current President has no experience doing any of that. He farms out most of 2 and 3 to whatever D-list Republican operatives are left, and he seems to enjoy being a cermoinial head of state, though has no ability to act like it - take his "communications" last week which had the market swing wildly on Monday and Tuesday after he "announced" a trade deal with China (there wasn't one) then the market corrected when it realized he was making stuff up.

 

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8 minutes ago, Tyzack said:

 

Stacy Abrams, ran for govenor of Georgia. 

She'd probably end up as a better VP choice, but, again, we are talking ticket position here, we're talking running at all.

Ohhhh her. I don't think she'll play well outside the South.

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9 minutes ago, Tyzack said:

 

Hickenlooper is the governor of colorado, Deval Patrick was the governer of massachusetts. 

Eh, I think they'd have trouble on a national level but the CO gov might be a good VP pick.

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55 minutes ago, Tyzack said:

Our current President has no experience doing any of that. He farms out most of 2 and 3 to whatever D-list Republican operatives are left, and he seems to enjoy being a cermoinial head of state, though has no ability to act like it - take his "communications" last week which had the market swing wildly on Monday and Tuesday after he "announced" a trade deal with China (there wasn't one) then the market corrected when it realized he was making stuff up.

And if you want a D win, they can just as easily farm out those positions to the best qualified people in the party.

And then all Tom Hanks has to do, is act presidential.

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"Our current President has no experience doing any of that."

 

He actually has lots of experience running a large corporation/buruacracy.  

 

Unless the President has specific knowledge in foreign policy that is almost always left to experts. Trump is a Clumsy and inarticulate Reagan or Kennedy in the sphere of foreign policy. However, I much rather have a Trump who is inarticulate but is determined to follow policies that favor AMerican interests then someone like Obama that was very articulate but had a foreign policy that seemed to be more concerned with how the world saw him then what was actually in the best interests of the US population.

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1 hour ago, CUBAREY said:

"Our current President has no experience doing any of that."

 

He actually has lots of experience running a large corporation/buruacracy.

 

No.

 

The Trump real estate company was a best a small - and not very good - player in luxary real estate holding. They were really only good at building in places where the ... maturiaty ... of the local economy was ... loose ... enough that they could get away with their quasi-legal sales, marketing, and construction strategies.

 

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"The Trump real estate company was a best a small - and not very good - player in luxary real estate holding. They were really only good at building in places where the ... maturiaty ... of the local economy was ... loose ... enough that they could get away with their quasi-legal sales, marketing, and construction strategies."

 

His business empire (and that is what it is) although centered on real estate holdings is much more accurately described as a marketing and franchising of the Trump brand name. 

 

As for the his real estate holdings, except for certain allegations concerning discriminatory pracitces which most large real estate developers of his kind have had to deal with his practices and construction strategies along with his sales and marketing strategies have been overall quite successful and no more legally questionable then any other large developer of premium luxury properties. 

 

His only true failures have been in the Atlantic City Gambling Casinos which he has owned. But then again he is not alone in suffering severe losses in that market as most of the Casinos in Atlantic City have proven to be unproftiable over the long run and their are quite a few of even of the largest players that have suffered bankruptcies in that market.

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Ok ok I know we all disagree about Trump and as much as I enjoy arguing about him it's getting to the point that every topic devolves into a Trump debate. This is about Dems 2020 candidates can we talk about that without bringing up Trump any further than whether or not a potential candidate can beat him?

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5 hours ago, CUBAREY said:

His only true failures have been in the Atlantic City Gambling Casinos which he has owned. But then again he is not alone in suffering severe losses in that market as most of the Casinos in Atlantic City have proven to be unproftiable over the long run and their are quite a few of even of the largest players that have suffered bankruptcies in that market.

Trump University?

Trump Steaks?

 

5 hours ago, CUBAREY said:

and construction strategies

Like not paying your contractors for the jobs they do, citing it wasn't good enough, which coming from Mr.Trump is just a cheapskate tactic to avoid paying. I bet he has more failure to pay dispute judgments against him then most businessmen.

 

3 hours ago, Nolder said:

Ok ok I know we all disagree about Trump and as much as I enjoy arguing about him it's getting to the point that every topic devolves into a Trump debate. This is about Dems 2020 candidates can we talk about that without bringing up Trump any further than whether or not a potential candidate can beat him?

That's the 2020 election in a nutshell.

 

We'll talk about some candidates, than Trump will say something stupid and our attention will go to him like we were fat kids and he was a hotcake.

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4 hours ago, Nolder said:

Literally everyone hates him. 

 

I did a spit-take when I heard it too, but, again, this thread is for speculation.

 

His best chance would be on a third-way/moderate republican ticket.

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8 hours ago, Tyzack said:

 

I did a spit-take when I heard it too, but, again, this thread is for speculation.

 

His best chance would be on a third-way/moderate republican ticket.

Only Republicans that would vote for him would be Never Trumpers. And after his October surprise I do not know what Democrats would vote for him. So. I think any talk of his running is more of an ego kick then anything else.

 

 

 

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