Jump to content

DRAGONMOUNT

A WHEEL OF TIME COMMUNITY
Vrron

Ogier Life and Society Before the Corruption of the Ways?

Recommended Posts

The Ways provided safe and rapid travel and communication between Stedding until they began to change and Machin Shin, the Black Wind, made them too dangerous to consider using under any circumstance short of an emergency. However, before this change I would think they would be utilized heavily by anyone who could read the Ogier script covering the Guidings. There would be a much greater incentive for one to learn to read Ogier script and therefore many more would do so, leading to even greater use. In my mind, Ogier society (and to a lesser extent any other society with easy access to Waygates) would become much closer to a single, massive community which happens to span a much larger physical area than a collection of small, secluded communities. This ease of sharing resources and ideas would lead to accelerated cultural and technological development near the scale that we see in the cities of our modern world.

 

This is intriguing to me as there doesn't seem to be any evidence of such a society ever existing in the books. Is there something I'm missing? What are some reasons you think this wouldn't happen? What do you think it would be like if it did?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When the ways were created most of the land was simply trying to survive, kill the remaining shadowspawn, and then rebuild.  When civilization did start to rebuild Ishy was spun out to trash the land again.  It also doesn't seem like the Ogier were advertising the ways much.  The BWB does say only Ogier and Ogier guided humans used the ways, so it doesn't seem like the Ogier trusted humans using it alone.    Plus the BWB also says the Ogier only grew a path to groves.  So there was never a desire by them to make paths to major cities etc if there was no grove near.  My guess is they simply didn't trust humans not to misuse the ways.

Edited by Sabio

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was thinking more along the lines of the Ogier using the Ways in this way. There were more than one thousand years between the end of the Breaking and the Ways becoming corrupted in which the Ways would be the best way to move between Steddings. Rather than forming a city or going to a city, I was wondering about all Ogier with access to a Waygate becoming like a single community who regularly traveled between the Steddings by using them due to the ease and safety of doing so. Even if an individual Stedding was nowhere near the size of a city, they would be so closely connected that their society would resemble that of a city.

Edited by Vrron
Elaborating

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not sure I agree with this.

 

Although the Ways make travel faster they are not instantaneous by any means, you could have a number of cities who are as close to reach conventionally as you via ways and yet you don't see these sorts of effects. I'm also not clear that people enjoyed totally free access to them - and the Ogier don't seem that interested in technology.

 

On the other hand, you do see the continent developing a common language which could be attributed to the influence of these closer connections. 

 

Also, I think it was more like 2,000 years of use, I think the Ways did not become essentially unusable until the War of the Hundred Years (maybe a little after) although I think different versions of the Eye of the World may have said different things.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Theradnecro is right, the BWB just says sometime during the War of a Hundred Years a change was noticed and almost 2000 years of use.  Only humans with ogier guides were allowed use of the ways.  Ogier simply didn't trust humans enough to allow them free access.  As you see ogier try staying away from human problems, the last thing you want to do is allow these chaotic humans free passage to the ways that lead right to steddings.

 

Each stedding is like a small village, you use the ways to visit other villages, they had no desire to become one large ogier community.  They simply wanted to stay in contact with steddings, the ogier don't seem big into technology and advancements.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2/3/2018 at 8:22 PM, Vrron said:

I was thinking more along the lines of the Ogier using the Ways in this way. There were more than one thousand years between the end of the Breaking and the Ways becoming corrupted in which the Ways would be the best way to move between Steddings. Rather than forming a city or going to a city, I was wondering about all Ogier with access to a Waygate becoming like a single community who regularly traveled between the Steddings by using them due to the ease and safety of doing so. Even if an individual Stedding was nowhere near the size of a city, they would be so closely connected that their society would resemble that of a city.

 

Not quite.

 

The Ways were created as a gift for the Ogier so that they could travel between their steddings without experiencing the turmoil of the rest of the world. While they speed up travel considerably, they are by no means instantaneous. For example, traveling from the Waygate near Tear to the one in the Two Rivers required Perrin and co to camp overnight. Traveling from the Caemlyn to Fal Dara required, IIRC, more than a day.

 

The Waygates linked the steddings so that they were like nearby villages rather than distant places. The Ogier certainly do seem to be a close-knit community.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Posts

    • https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/20/pew-research-1-in-10-u-s-voters-in-2020-election-will-be-foreign-born/   Muh Russian influence. LOL! We are giving out country away and not enough people care. I suppose one thing follows the other though doesn't it?
    • The educational system in South Africa is the same as in many countries. I want to talk about what kind of educational system is in America. Kindergartens are not very popular in America. Parents prefer that their children study with their nannies or with them at home. Children go to primary school at 5 years. Children graduate from primary school at 11 or 12 years old. Children who are smart and who study for each class one year, finish school at 11 years old. Children who have difficulties with learning, and who repeat their studies in a certain class, finish school at 12 years old. Children go to secondary school at 11 or 12 years old and children finish high school at 14 or 15 years old. A high school has a duration of 3 years. For graduation from school, a student must write a graduation paper with which the college essay writing service www.paperial.com can help and a student must pass exams which belong to different fields: such as mathematics, physics, chemistry, and so on. After a student finishes school, he or she can go to college where he or she will study for 2 years or may go to college or university in which he or she will study for 4 years. In order to enter a college in which students study for two years, or to enter a college or university in which students study for 4 years, a student must pass the entrance exams and have a card in which there are good grades received at school. After graduating from a college or university which obliges a student to study for 4 years - a student can enroll in a magistracy and study there for 2 years. In conclusion, a master can study 3–6 years in order to obtain a doctor’s degree.
    • You can’t touch the source without reaching through the taint. 
    • "if the number of qualifying candidates is too unwieldy for a single debate, the Democratic National Committee said it’ll hold primary debates on multiple nights if necessary, assigning candidates randomly to the two debates"   That opens up the possibility of a lot of mischief.      " 1 percent support in three national polls or polls of early primary states, or raise money from a minimum of 65,000 donors from 20 states, including at least 200 unique donors per state. "   What polls? Do candidate polls count? Who decides if a state poll is worthy of inclusion? Do polls which have more then a 4.5% magin of error count (many early polls are at or over this level although they are statistically unreliable)? How do you include candidates with one or two percentage support if the margin of error in even the best polls are above 2.5%?      
×