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Tainted Minds - A Black Tower Mafia Game: Game over - Town wins

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Hey guys, no time to read the thread right now I'll catch up later.

Right now I'll just drop my N0 result.

Got an Innocent on Ben.

Aaaaand there's the part where I should stop joking around. [unvote]

I swear, this derpy part of day 1 gets shorter every game.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

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Read this while eating breakfast. As I said in the sign up thread I won´t be here today. Because I´m going to see Iain Glen!!!!!!!! 

 

I won´t reveal my N0 peek right now but I think this might be a good game to view yourself. I read Kivam´s Police Academy game years ago and there everyone were some kind of cop. They figured out their own sanity by watching themselves and comparing their views with others later on. I´m not sure it would work here since there are less player in this game (I think at least) and there are framers. I´ll leave it to the more intelligent players to see if this would be good or not in a game like this. 

*screams really loudly*

 

omg!! SO JEALOUS!!!

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it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM :unsure:

I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

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it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM :unsure:
I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

It's ~not calling out the contradiction

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it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM :unsure:
I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

It's ~not calling out the contradiction

 

an obective spectator would say that it is not necesarily alignment indicative either way. You are just reading to much into lzm not reading clearly. Cory is saying that there is an optimal way to play this setup having played it before, It is independent of his thoughts on the setup. That is of course assuming several things but I digress.

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So real quick question about the NO and then name, thing. What is the NO stand for and what is the significance of the name? I'm still really confused over that point.

N0 = Night zero.

 

As per the OP, the town cops could submit a name to investigate on night 0, and would have gotten a result back. The name would be who they chose to investigate, and the result would be guilty or not guilty.

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So real quick question about the NO and then name, thing. What is the NO stand for and what is the significance of the name? I'm still really confused over that point.

it is basically someone saying they have a report on said person. A mafia would definitely do it to fit in. I do not recommend it...

 

night zero (n0) report - Dar'Jen inno. If I am the cop and die the person I named will be looked at. And it helps the actual/real cops hide amongst vanilla losers.

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it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM :unsure:
I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

I did think they were the same thing. Once explained, I dropped the point.

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it is important for all villagers to leave seer cover in this set-up btw

 

the cool things is you dont have to worry about it too much, since how hilariously unreliable everything will be, but itll be good for data compilation later in the game

FWIW I had a long internal debate about this once the setup was announced. I was trying to decide if there was any value, and I pretty much came up with "not really, until one of the cops is dead". But even after that, we won't know which one flipped and which is alive - nor will mafia.

 

I don't know that I think SHC is completely worthless in this kind of setup, but it's definitely nowhere near as helpful.

SHC is totally useless IMO

 

too much V A R I A N C E

 

 

That's a huge contradiction. From one post to the next you just changed your stance on seer cover.

Think this could be a good look for LZM :unsure:
I thought the opposite at first , actually. There are contradictions that matter for one's alignment, and then there are the kind people push because it's easy to call someone out for stuff that's completely inconsequential.

 

I figured it was null if he thought shc and seer cover were the same thing though

It's ~not calling out the contradiction

an obective spectator would say that it is not necesarily alignment indicative either way. You are just reading to much into lzm not reading clearly. Cory is saying that there is an optimal way to play this setup having played it before, It is independent of his thoughts on the setup. That is of course assuming several things but I digress.

Eh, I may well be reading too much into things, but it's not lzd calling out the contradiction or confusing shc and seer cover :dry: I can explain better later, but for now I want to see something play out.

 

I'm also not sure Cory's played this setup before, but regardless I don't see much value in seer cover in this setup to outweigh the negatives, but I may well be missing something :unsure:

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Speaking of mechanical things; when is the deadline for D1?

Not set yet

 

Any spicy reads?

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So real quick question about the NO and then name, thing. What is the NO stand for and what is the significance of the name? I'm still really confused over that point.

Any thoughts? :happy:

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Also a heads up that I have a 3.15am pick up tomorrow and then have the day in Paris :p I now have free mobile data over there so won't be completely absent, but I won't be around much :)

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About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

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Speaking of mechanical things; when is the deadline for D1?

Not set yet

 

Any spicy reads?

 

I felt Niniel seemed relaxed off the bat. As for the rest I don't have too much worth commenting on yet. I mean, I voted Ironeyes, you could tell me what you think of that vote. I quoted the reason I made it.

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About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

When Cory is talking about cover, then that's what he's referring to. He says he thinks it's advantageous for everyone to pretend they are a cop and give us who they peeked and their result, so that when people eventually die there may be conclusions drawn from those peeks, fake or not. 

 

I'm on the fence myself in terms of how much the peeks, real or fake, will be worth this game with both an insane cop and two framers around. I think for actual game purposes it more muddles than clarifies things, and I don't want to spend too much time looking at peeks. I'm just going to pretend it's an all vanilla game and lynch scummy looking people :tongue:

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About the naming someone thing? Is everyone supposed to do that?

 

General thought: game seems to be a bit more complex than usual for me, but this is my third full game, so I'm still pretty new to mafia I guess.

 

Thoughts on other players? Don't really have much yet. Other than curious as to why SK would vote for self and want others to vote too. Still trying to get a feel for folks.

It's the last that I wanted, thanks :)

 

the game isn't complicated <3 the most important thing to understand is that our cops results are unreliable, but not worthless.

 

If cops can figure out sanity then in general town results (mafia results if the cops insane) will be more reliable than mafia results.

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Sooh, I like your approach.

 

By the way, hope we get to play together longer this time.

 

I think I'll stick to trying to determine who is town and who is scum. That seems complicated enough under the circumstances.

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Speaking of mechanical things; when is the deadline for D1?

Not set yet

 

Any spicy reads?

 

I felt Niniel seemed relaxed off the bat. As for the rest I don't have too much worth commenting on yet. I mean, I voted Ironeyes, you could tell me what you think of that vote. I quoted the reason I made it.

 

Nothing in the post you quoted stands out to me :unsure:

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