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Dunno I'm more interested in the actual claim. If LZM claims a random character he can hit a character of a townie or scum. So the the cc is null. Town would cc and a smart scum would too. Ie... i dont think the cc is a lie. Just that the root of it is... why would lzm claim a character that isn't his?

If LZM is scum though, and claims a random character, he'd only hit town because he'd know the characters of the other scum.  Also, if LZM really isn't Sammael, then I'd go with scum for sure, when in doubt, scum are much more likely to lie than town.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh gotcha, yeah mobile trimming is definitely a little bit of a challenge, always takes me some time to make sure I got the right opening and closing tags matched up.

 

And RIP haha, I spend way too much time looking at NFL stuff in general, thanks though, I know about Peko specifically because I was analyzing the contracts that he and Sly Williams got and thought that they weren't worth it for the level of play they had in 2016, as both had down years relative to their normal play.  The thing about Peko to me is that although he's had a little bit of name recognition, he's never really been that good for the past several years.  I use BR's scouting projects and PFF's grades from the past two years to get an idea of how a player's been in the past, and Peko's graded out poorly in the last two years via PFF, and BR's scouting projects haven't even had them in their top ~50 defensive tackles since 2013, where he still wasn't top 50, he was just placed 59th.  However, that being said, he was a NT before, but in a 4-3 scheme, so idk if switching to 3-4 will be the scheme change he needs, or the environment change.  He had good teammates in Dunlap and Atkins, but you simply can't match the kind of support on the line/edge you get when you have Von Miller/Derek Wolfe/Shane Ray/Shaq Barrett/DeMarcus Lawrence all around you.  How has he looked this preseason? I haven't been able to really follow the Broncos this preseason, other than to hear whats happening with the QB battle.

 

I dont have much experience with SK or most of the players really. Last game as scum he was very measured in his posts and overall neuteral in tone. He posted in small bursts and it was usually pretty logical overall. He was going with middle of the road approach and it worked for him.

 

This game he seems less concerned with how he comes across so far and there's a bit of sas to his tone. I feel like he's more engaged and he's in plain sight. So he's either very capable and switching things up to avoid meta detection... or he could just be town this game.

 

I'm not familiar enough to determine much atp but he does seem like a capable player. Reminds me a little bit of clov. And as such i rather observe him for a while and take my time. But right now he's not on the table for me.

This is a good point about SK, he's definitely off his meta from last game as mafia.  How much experience does SK have again?  I'm curious if he's experienced enough to change up his meta like that.

 

Okay, Niniel said at the beginning that the characters and the flavor really have nothing to do with the game, that any character could be town or scum, so I don't see the point in claiming, and I really don't see the point in counter-claiming, but I'm interested in seeing which one is lying over nothing. Unless neither one is Sammael. :unsure:

I thought about the neither one is Sammael possibility, but it seems very unlikely.  And you don't see the point in counter claiming? You catch someone in a lie, given that you're telling the truth obviously.

 

I'm very interested in how we have a direct cc, but we don't have any votes from you or Nyn after the reveal.  I would mention DJ too, but she obviously hadn't read anything and was going to reread (unless that's just what she wanted us to think)

 

I think we got Peko for less than we would have had to pay Sly if we had picked up his 5th year option, and Peko, in his day, was better than Sly is now, and Peko's little cousin is on our team and shows promise (kid unfortunately got injured in OTA's, but I think he should be back soon), and so we (the fans on MHR, the SB Nation Bronco blog) mostly felt like if we can get one decent year out of Peko (and we imagine him seeing fewer snaps than he saw in Cincinnati, I mean, he was getting like 35 snaps a game with them at his age), then he's a stopgap who can hopefully help elevate his cousin. Also, we expect to get a serviceable fat guy at cut down time from one of the other teams with better DL depth to help with the rotation. 

 

I don't know how much experience SK has, but he seems to have a solid grasp of the game and carried us early on when Clovdyx got busy and started to disappear, and then when I got home from vacation and started posting a lot more, he coached me up a lot with some good advice, so I would assume that he's a good player. I guess I also assume that he's a he, but it actually says "not telling." :unsure: I guess that means I get to decide, and I have decided that he's a dude. :smile:

 

Well, I guess I just don't understand all of the implications of claiming and counterclaiming. My experiences with it are as follows: In my second game, I was leading a train on Darthe, who suddenly claimed to be Harry Potter (it was a Potter-flavored game), but since the mod had said at the start that mafia had safe claims, I figured "So what?" The other players were split between, "Oh wow, he's Harry Potter; don't lynch him," and "So what?" It turns out that he was Harry Potter, and he was town, and it was a big "So what," because he could just as easily have been mafia, per the mod in the dead thread. 

 

In my last game, DPR claimed vig, then scum killed him, and he flipped as vanilla town, and I did not see the point in it, except that you said that he did it because he was reading scum to so many people that he knew he was a distraction, so he got scum to NK him, essentially taking one for the town team, even though he reduced their numbers by one. Nynaeve went into this further with me in a Facebook chat we had the other day, where she explained that it is important to spot roles as well as town and scum, because if I am a vanilla townie, I might want to claim a PR for the similar reason as DPR, namely that it's better for me to die as a VT than to lose a PR, and I think I understand that, BUT...

 

...there are no power roles in this game (unless we upset the mod, which means those roles would probably suck anyway), and the characters are all random (meaning Perrin could be scum and Alviarin could be town), so wt actual f with this claim and counterclaim? :unsure:

 

Ahh gotcha, that actually really makes sense for a Peko, he'd be a great mentor for younger players.

 

And oh RIP on calling SK a he haha, my bad if you're not.  But hmm that's interesting to know.  I'd expect changing up your meta from a very advanced player tbh, I don't even do that, and it takes a lot of work to make it seem natural.

 

And I see what you're saying, and that makes sense for a claim, but for a counterclaim, 2 people can't have the same role, so that means one of them must be lying, which almost certainly means that whoever's lying is scum.

 

Also, yes, no PRs

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I know you said it was a hunch, which is anything anyone has to go on D1, but was there anything else that made you feel that way? Or are you trying to get discussion going?

 

I have to agree with RandA about your claim LZM. I don't see what you'd gain from claiming as town but if you're scum, trying to get some town leans for "that's not something scum would do" would be beneficial. 

 

As I'm curious as to your thoughts [v]Vote SK[/v]

 

 

Is that a question for me? I am not entirely sure about it being for me.

 

Yes I voted for ben based on a justifiable hunch that I intentionally pushed hard. I wanted to see if someone would call me out or ask why not DJ as well. Or why isn't DJ just as guilty as ben. The hard push on people when the game starts It causes a loss of motivation as town when someone tunnels on you, scum would blow up or fake blow up in my opinion. Town might blow up more often town would just vote me back. Which is what I was waiting for from Ben, but scummier fish to fry. There was nothing else that made me feel that way. And discussion would happen either way I am not responsible for what others posts, but if I am indirectly involved I am more than happy to move things along. And I have not forgotten about Dj's what could be considered entry faux pas into the game. Randal seems almost to happy to move things along. Nyn and ben trying to be game solvey really looks good for them.

 

But let's put things in perspective. You haven't proffered any reads. Just a vote. Several things have happened and you have remained neutral. Like a rock. Someone in thread said a lot more significant posts have been made than in 10 pages. So...onto your post

 

 

ATM I think a lot of posts up to this point could be either town or scum trying to under/over play their responses to the situation. DJ's response to Nyn's random vote on her being overly critical, or over- analyzing as DJ puts it, and then her later responses to questioning could be town/scum.

 

SK going after Ben pretty hard for what he called a joke vote seems scummy to me. You called out one player when another had done something quite similar.

 

So Ben.... lets get serious here... it can't be all just fun and games....
 
You scum broseph? Cause you ain't fooling me again :P

 

 

It is hard to follow the intent in this post. Your rudimentary analysis of the situation isn't done here. You have listed 'possibilities', but have not given your reasoning on why which theory is most likely.

 

To be completely honest I am not sure to who you are talking to in your posts. I can't actually read your mind, so can we go through it step by step.

 

1. Which posts can be town or scum alternatively who can be town or scum based on their posts i.e. Whomst are you refering to at the beginning.

 

2. What about Dj's response to nyn is it town or scum? Which is more likely? and why.

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I am still waiting for ironeyes and that other person I forget that players name. Effort does not indicate alignment. Infiniti tell me something that makes you town in poem form, or not y'know?

 

@Ben Do you think Randal is right that their is no benefit as town to claim therefore it follows that the person that claimed had nefarious intentions?

 

@infiniti Do you think town should lie? Just unfettered curiousity.

 

@everyone did you know that it is actually not appropriate to toast during yom kippur (I am watching the good wife).

 

Reads list:

 

 

Ben

Nyn

ironeyes

infiniti

lessa

Rand

Dj

lzm

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@Rand

 

On my phone and rather not quote your jumbo post.

 

I understand what you're saying about scum lying more. With that said there is like zero gain from a scum pov to claim a character that isn't his in a game where characters and flavor means nothing. There's even less of a reason to falsely CC a character claim. Lol

 

All i know is that if this is some mod troll, it'll be hilarious. But i doubt it.

 

LZM are you actually the character you claimed? What do you have to say about the CC?

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I would switch him with infinti except I haven't liked what infiniti has said. Or maybe lessa except I don't fully understand what lessa is saying. So... Who would've thought that doing nothing is good for your health. Effort does not indicate alignment. So like ironeyes I will wait. Unless you think ironeyes is evil. Do you know something I don't?

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I´ve skimmed a lot so if this vote count is wrong just let me know. 

 

 

Vote count

 

 

LZM (1) - Ben

 

Dar´Jen (1) - Nyn

 

LZM (1) - Shitsure

 

Shitsure (2) - Lessa, Rand

Not voting - everyone else 


With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. 

Dl is Friday 9 PM CET. 

 

 

 

 

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I´ve skimmed a lot so if this vote count is wrong just let me know.

 

Vote count

 

LZM (1) - Ben

Dar´Jen (1) - Nyn

LZM (1) - Shitsure

Shitsure (2) - Lessa, Rand

 

Not voting - everyone else

 

 

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Dl is Friday 9 PM CET.

 

 

 

Count down

 

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I would switch him with infinti except I haven't liked what infiniti has said. Or maybe lessa except I don't fully understand what lessa is saying. So... Who would've thought that doing nothing is good for your health. Effort does not indicate alignment. So like ironeyes I will wait. Unless you think ironeyes is evil. Do you know something I don't?

I just cant recall him posting so the placing looked odd

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Dunno I'm more interested in the actual claim. If LZM claims a random character he can hit a character of a townie or scum. So the the cc is null. Town would cc and a smart scum would too. Ie... i dont think the cc is a lie. Just that the root of it is... why would lzm claim a character that isn't his?

Because that is my character.

 

My claim was my way of getting into the game with a splash. I figured a bit of reaction would get the ball rolling, however the direct CC has me wondering what SK's game is. I'm not gonna jump to him being scum yet, because I've noticed once I do my mind stays on that person until their slot is resolved.

 

Also, football discussions don't belong here. It's a nice way to keep everyone trudging through your WoT's and not seeing much. (Looking at you Rand) lol.

 

So, I think that's all I got on my brain at this point.

C'ya at lunch

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I would switch him with infinti except I haven't liked what infiniti has said. Or maybe lessa except I don't fully understand what lessa is saying. So... Who would've thought that doing nothing is good for your health. Effort does not indicate alignment. So like ironeyes I will wait. Unless you think ironeyes is evil. Do you know something I don't?

I just cant recall him posting so the placing looked odd

 

Where would you put him?

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I would switch him with infinti except I haven't liked what infiniti has said. Or maybe lessa except I don't fully understand what lessa is saying. So... Who would've thought that doing nothing is good for your health. Effort does not indicate alignment. So like ironeyes I will wait. Unless you think ironeyes is evil. Do you know something I don't?

I just cant recall him posting so the placing looked odd

Where would you put him?

No where. I dont even recall him posting.

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Good morning.

 

I have been looking over posts and getting a few ideas brewing.

 

When I am ready to vote, how do I do coding for it to be red? And bold? Sorry for my lack of coding skills, especially since I'm on my phone.

 

Got to head back to work, so hoping to post something more substantial ahortly. So, have all the players posted now? I sure hope so.

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I know you said it was a hunch, which is anything anyone has to go on D1, but was there anything else that made you feel that way? Or are you trying to get discussion going?

 

I have to agree with RandA about your claim LZM. I don't see what you'd gain from claiming as town but if you're scum, trying to get some town leans for "that's not something scum would do" would be beneficial. 

 

As I'm curious as to your thoughts [v]Vote SK[/v]

 

 

Is that a question for me? I am not entirely sure about it being for me.

 

Yes, it was meant as a question to you, I apologize that it wasn't clear. It's why I voted you, to get you to answer.

 

Yes I voted for ben based on a justifiable hunch that I intentionally pushed hard. I wanted to see if someone would call me out or ask why not DJ as well. Or why isn't DJ just as guilty as ben. The hard push on people when the game starts It causes a loss of motivation as town when someone tunnels on you, scum would blow up or fake blow up in my opinion. Town might blow up more often town would just vote me back. Which is what I was waiting for from Ben, but scummier fish to fry. There was nothing else that made me feel that way. And discussion would happen either way I am not responsible for what others posts, but if I am indirectly involved I am more than happy to move things along. And I have not forgotten about Dj's what could be considered entry faux pas into the game. Randal seems almost to happy to move things along. Nyn and ben trying to be game solvey really looks good for them.

 

But let's put things in perspective. You haven't proffered any reads. Just a vote. Several things have happened and you have remained neutral. Like a rock. Someone in thread said a lot more significant posts have been made than in 10 pages. So...onto your post

 

 

ATM I think a lot of posts up to this point could be either town or scum trying to under/over play their responses to the situation. DJ's response to Nyn's random vote on her being overly critical, or over- analyzing as DJ puts it, and then her later responses to questioning could be town/scum.

 

SK going after Ben pretty hard for what he called a joke vote seems scummy to me. You called out one player when another had done something quite similar.

 

So Ben.... lets get serious here... it can't be all just fun and games....
 
You scum broseph? Cause you ain't fooling me again :P

 

 

It is hard to follow the intent in this post. Your rudimentary analysis of the situation isn't done here. You have listed 'possibilities', but have not given your reasoning on why which theory is most likely.

 

To be completely honest I am not sure to who you are talking to in your posts. I can't actually read your mind, so can we go through it step by step.

 

1. Which posts can be town or scum alternatively who can be town or scum based on their posts i.e. Whomst are you referring to at the beginning.

I was initially referring to DJ/Nyn interaction and your interaction with Ben. Your interaction with Ben could be seen as 1 of 3 ways: 1) 2 townies thinking the other is scum, 2) 2 scum trying to distance themselves from each other, or 3) a scum going after a townie. At the time I thought option 3 was the most likely but as the game has continued I find it has gone more the way of option 1. You haven't kept hard on Ben this whole time, instead gone on to ask others their thoughts on the situation.

 

2. What about Dj's response to nyn is it town or scum? Which is more likely? and why.

I find DJ's reponse to Nyn scummy. In the last game we were in she did a very good job of being scum and was similar in her responses to being questioned by others. She also did a lot of "rereading will post later" posts and didn't contribute to the discussion a whole lot. And it worked really well for her.

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I am still waiting for ironeyes and that other person I forget that players name. Effort does not indicate alignment. Infiniti tell me something that makes you town in poem form, or not y'know?

 

@Ben Do you think Randal is right that their is no benefit as town to claim therefore it follows that the person that claimed had nefarious intentions?

 

@infiniti Do you think town should lie? Just unfettered curiousity.

 

@everyone did you know that it is actually not appropriate to toast during yom kippur (I am watching the good wife).

 

Reads list:

 

 

Ben

Nyn

ironeyes

infiniti

lessa

Rand

Dj

lzm

 

Response are in green. Atm DJ is pinging me the most so [v]Unvote[/v] [v]Dar'Jen[/v]

 

Lessa how much experience do you have with mafia?

In all the time I've played, maybe 10 games. The last game I played was the HP one in the WT and it has been years since the last time I played before that. The first one I remember playing was a WoT based one where I was Basel Gill and made to the very end and then died because the last person on the scum team was great and I didn't catch on.

 

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Vote count

 

 

LZM (1) - Ben

 

Dar´Jen (2) - Nyn, Lessa

 

LZM (1) - Shitsure

 

Shitsure (1) - Rand

Not voting - everyone else 


With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. 

Dl is Friday 9 PM CET. 

 

 

 

 

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Why is voting on LZM listed twice above, instead of as (2)?

 

And why does Lessa think I'm "scummy"? Because of yesterday morning's conversation?

 

Oh well. Think I'm scummy all you want, but I promise you that I am very clean and am town. But the thing about this game is every statement can be scrutinized and dissected.

 

If I vote Lessa, it would be viewed, likely as retaliation, and honestly, I don't have a good feel on her.

 

Not sure about Nyn, but I get that she is experienced and talented at the game.

 

I believe that LZM did do a reveal for the sake of conversation, so trying to determine how I want to take that.

 

Random talking football could be conversation, or an attempt to distract, but haven't decided how I feel about it yet.

 

Infiniti is new and trying to get started. Good luck by the way.

 

Ben. Feeling more town than mafia to me, but could be that he conversed with me.

 

Ironeyes. Brief time. Not much opinion.

 

Shitsure. Thinking there. Thinking they made same claim as LZM? Will have to look back for that. If so why? Could be truth. But way lie about being the same character this early? Unless to cause concussion? (Scratches head in confusion.) Good job. But I need to double check that, and see who I'm missing.

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