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I would very very strongly recommend that one of Nini or Nyn unvote me NOW because Nego is going to hammer me and we're going to lose as soon as he comes online.

 

What, so that you and Nego can then put down two very fast votes on me or Nyn if anyone else votes one of us so that that train overtakes you right before deadline?

 

Ley - just to clear this up. You voted Leelou to see what Nyn would say. She posted in the qt but never mentioned your vote. She didn´t react to it and that is why you unvoted. Right? 

 

Correct.

 

I'm just gonna repeat it here, if Nyn is indeed scum, then very well played, win deserved.

 

And I got ninja'd and forgot I couldn't make them appear if I didn't do so immediately, so I may not have replied to the most recent posts yet.

 

 

This one once again does not align with the following line Ley said about the test earlier:

 

 

 

Well, I guess I did not get the information I wanted. I got the information to know I would not get any more. If you really need to know, from my lover.

 

With the "if Nyn is indeed scum, then very well played, win deserved" he's trying to make it look like he doesn't fully trust Nyn to make it look like he doesn't have the information about Nyn's alignment only wolves would have. In a regular game that line would be soft-shading, setting up a potential narrative in case the opportunity to lynch Nyn arises at some point. Obviously that's not the case here since it's a lover game and the two of them are lovers together.

 

 

Nope, I don't fully trust Nyn. I'm only 99% sure, as I already said. Of which 80% is coming from her, with the remainder coming from my scum read on you. I can see it happen that she played me, but I don't expect it. It's always possible, and if I know that an alternative is possible, I don't talk in absolutes. I just don't.

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You're convinced that Nyn is a villager because she was willing to follow up her suss on you with a brief vote?  What was scum!her supposed to do when you challenged her with your self-vote, go "nah you got me, gg?"

 

LZM being convinced that I'm a wolf is news to me. He literally said he's voting our pairing for yucks. Whether that's the truth or he's trying to get reactions out of people it's a massive stretch to apply conviction to his vote.

 

Well maybe he isn't and he's doing random stuff, though I doubt it. I don't know. I have faith in where my vote is now.

 

 

Another good example of how thorough Leyrann is with reading the thread.

 

 

 

People don't always mean what they say. Yes, Led said that he was doing random stuff, but that doesn't mean he isn't acting on a hunch at least.

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Okay, notes from re-read:

 

LedZepMan - Had an alright start but have to say him taking my early Ben comment seriously does not bode well. Posts from yesterday were good though.

Niniel - I like Niniel's posting from today. Shows that she's thinking. Early game wasn't hot but today's been good.

Gentled Ben - Seems relaxed in his first game which makes me think he's a villager for now.

Leelou - Helped Ben on mechanics but that's always an easy way for the wolves to look like they are contributing. I like her questioning on Niniel about her Ben vote.

Leyrann - Odd reaction test (Leelou vote) that lasted for 30 minutes and had no results. Odd progression when explaining it. He said his lover told him he would get nothing out of the reaction test which seems iffy.

Nynaeve - Focused too much on the joke. Did question Ben and Led though.

Shad - Came to the thread late so can't say much about him yet apart from that his first posts are alright for someone coming late to the party. I know he's a good player though when he's town so I'm not voting him today.

 

 

 

See what I write about Leyrann above, especially the bolded part. It makes me think his lover is potentially mafia with Leelou, who Leyrann tried to test.

 

I've been operating on the thought that Leyrann acted alone but just noticed he said his lover gave him advice, so I'm retracting my vote.

 

[/unvote]

 

Instead I'll vote Leelou because of mechanics talk and the potentiality of her being a wolf with Leyrann's lover.

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

Just noticed that, in this post, Nego links my lover (back then not yet known) and Leelou together as mafia (and on a faulty reason, that is; I never said my lover told me anything about the reaction test, which also didn't happen). My suspicion is that these are the two v/v teams. Will refer to this in my soon-to-come reads list, but figured it was worth pointing out seperately.

 

Umm... Yes you did:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes.

 

Did you meet your goal before unvoting?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

What was this goal?

 

 

I saw a possible, although very small chance, to get a lot of information from it.

 

I did not.

 

 

If you gained no information why did you say you met your goal before unvoting earlier?

 

And why didn't you wait for the person you voted for to react?

 

:|

 

 

I got all information I wanted.

 

"trashcan guy" is normally called Oscar, by the way.

What was this info then?

 

 

The answer: I didn't get anything out of it in terms of either information or reads and knew I would not, so I unvoted.

 

I...

 

ok. I don't know what to say.

 

 

 

If the phase ended in an hour, who would you vote for and why?

 

 

Well, I guess I did not get the information I wanted. I got the information to know I would not get any more. If you really need to know, from my lover.

 

As for who I'd vote for, maybe Oscar, though with eight pages it's hard to say anything. I do dislike inactives though. I probably wouldn't go for Nyn, and there's a lot of people here that I don't know well and are therefore hard to call. I think I'd also not go for Led.

 

 

Oscar, what are your thoughts so far?

Why Oscar?

 

 

Because he hasn't yet posted.

 

[v]Leyrann[/v]

 

 

The information I got from my lover was the lack of a reaction.

 

But even disregarding the semantics, is that seriously your whole reason for voting me? Because even in a 24-page game, that's not even trying. I could pick anyone in this game - even Nynaeve, who I got as locktown - and make a better case.

 

 

It's not.

 

But it's also showing how blatantly you are misconstruing my posts and lying about things I have said, trying to paint me look like the bad guy. You've even ignored posts you made and acted as if I was not doing things that I have done. Like when you said I hadn't even mentioned Shad which was simply not true.

 

 

If it's not, why aren't you bringing more?

 

I'm not lying about things you have said, otherwise, show me. Misunderstanding, could be, but I'm not gonna lie, wheter I'm town or mafia. Lying never works.

 

Anyways, gimme a moment to write a case on you.

 

 

Already did. I even said in this thread I was going to go through some more posts in a moment. Shows you don't really read my posts.

 

You have lied and I have argued about them as well. See posts above.

 

 

 

 

Actually, I did a full ISO of your posts, and you had not brought any other point to the table than my vote on Leelou and interactions about it afterwards. You have only done so since this post you quoted.

 

If I'm wrong, show me, and everyone. With a quote, instead of accusations.

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While I was talking a shower I actually realized that I'm not 99% sure Nyn is town. I'm 100% sure. As Nego mentioned, there would be no reason for Nyn to vote me if she were mafia, what with me and Nini both being convinced of a Shad/Nego scum team, at least yesterday.

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(hope this isn't a doube post)

 

While I was talking a shower I actually realized that I'm not 99% sure Nyn is town. I'm 100% sure. As Nego mentioned, there would be no reason for Nyn to vote me if she were mafia, what with me and Nini both being convinced of a Shad/Nego scum team, at least yesterday.

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I mean, right now you're just distrusting me because I had an epic win a few months ago, this just isn't based on anything from this game.

It means that i dont do well reading you. And it's one of you and nego. You're in the poe, deal with it.

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I will be gone until tonight so I will post then. Just some questions:

 

Ley - how sure are you that Nyn is town?

 

Nyn - tell me why Ley is mafia. Is it because of something special? Do you see a connection between him and Shad?

It's one of ley or nego. They're both reading their lover as town so that's not helpful. Yes there are things about nego i didnt like. Irt ley there isnt something that bothered me a lot lbut at the same time there isnt really much that i liked about him either and made me think town.

 

Then there's shad voting nego. I dont think that at the point he voted he already knew he was a goner to the extent that he'd choose to bus over a mislynch at lylo.

 

Bottom line is ley is pretty good as scum so im not discounting anything irt him. Nego had some iffiness and im not familiar with his play to weigh things in properly. But out of the two his tone and the way he comes across just seems more genuine to me. *shrugs*

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I mean, right now you're just distrusting me because I had an epic win a few months ago, this just isn't based on anything from this game.

It means that i dont do well reading you. And it's one of you and nego. You're in the poe, deal with it.

 

 

That's fine. If I get lynched because people think I'm mafia, it's okay, that happens. It's just that I don't want to get lynched out of a feeling of "we don't want him to outplay us again". Also because it means I lose and I don't like losing, but also because I want an eventual lynch to be based on this game and not on another game.

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Okay. Time to read the thread again. It might take a while. I really, really hate this situation. 

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Play to win, play within the spirit of the game, if you feel somebody is personally attacking you personally then message me!

 

This is a hybrid-hammer game, whoever has the most votes at deadline will be lynched or day will end when the hammer falls. Ties will be decided via plurality (whoever reaches the tie number of votes first is lynched)

 

 

 

 

Wondered what would happen if we get a tie. If I chose to vote Nego in this situation and no one moves then Ley will die anyway. 

 

Votecount

 

Nego (1): Leyrann

 

Leyrann (2): Nego,

Nyn

 

not voting (1): Niniel

 

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch

 

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Please note that the deadline may be pushed back a few hours as I'm out on Saturday

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Wondered what would happen if we get a tie. If I chose to vote Nego in this situation and no one moves then Ley will die anyway. 

 

Was about to mention this.

 

If you feel uncertain, you can just put your vote on Nego and let Nyn decide to either hammer (killing Nego) or not (and have me die at deadline).

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I feel like I cannot do a whole lot more for this game, but I'd like to ask Nyn to hurry up a bit because I don't really wanna wait another 24 hours.

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Okay. Here are some thoughts. I don´t have the energy to make a big case with a lot of quotes.

 

 

The first thing Shad does is to defend me. Why would he do that? Maybe because he is known to read me good so he felt that he was expected to do so or to get me on his side? But it´s obvious that it was a bad read from reading one post (I mean he just made it up, but that was what he said) and you can´t say that I had played very well so far. That was why I had two votes already. So my only conclusion is that he was trying to protect me. 

 

He later voted Leelou and that made us both in the lead. But, as I just noticed, if there were a tie,  I would had died anyway. That is why Nego had to vote as well. I also noted that Nego voted Leelou because he thought that Ley´s lover might be mafia with Leelou. Nyn wrote that he was at least wrong about one of them but Nego didn´t comment on that post even though he posted after that. 

 

I realise that he could have tried to save me knowing he is town as well but here Shad´s defence of me is important. 

 

Shad voted Nego D2 but I don´t know if it means anything. 

 

Nego never showed up yesterday to vote at all. That is not good.

 

When it comes to Ley I feel that he wouldn´t have tried the vote/unvote Leelou/check Nyn if he was mafia. It would have been unnecessary. The selfvote and follow up vote by Nyn doesn´t mean anything to me though. 

 

 

Could Nyn be mafia? Of course but she knows Nego will vote Ley and it´s quite possible that I could hammer him so I don´t think so. 

 

 

[v] Nego [/v]

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I guess it´s up to you, Nyn. Nego and Ley won´t change their votes. If you still think it´s Ley then keep your vote and he will die. I will not try to persuade you because I suck at lylo. I´m really happy to leave that decision to you. :p

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Votecount

 

Nego (2): Leyrann, Niniel

 

Leyrann (2): Nego,

Nyn

 

 

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch

 

pin_1500744600.png

 

Please note that the deadline may be pushed back a few hours as I'm out on Saturday

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Bottom line is ley is pretty good as scum so im not discounting anything irt him. Nego had some iffiness and im not familiar with his play to weigh things in properly. But out of the two his tone and the way he comes across just seems more genuine to me. *shrugs*

 

I actually somehow missed this line or something the first time I read it, but I'm just gonna go ahead and talk about my own meta here.

 

I would argue that I am not pretty good as scum or, more precisely, that I'm not good at the game as a whole. In fact, the game we had here a while ago was my first game - ever - where I felt like I was actually one of the better players in the game.

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Okay. Here are some thoughts. I don´t have the energy to make a big case with a lot of quotes.

 

 

The first thing Shad does is to defend me. Why would he do that? Maybe because he is known to read me good so he felt that he was expected to do so or to get me on his side? But it´s obvious that it was a bad read from reading one post (I mean he just made it up, but that was what he said) and you can´t say that I had played very well so far. That was why I had two votes already. So my only conclusion is that he was trying to protect me.

 

He later voted Leelou and that made us both in the lead. But, as I just noticed, if there were a tie, I would had died anyway. That is why Nego had to vote as well. I also noted that Nego voted Leelou because he thought that Ley´s lover might be mafia with Leelou. Nyn wrote that he was at least wrong about one of them but Nego didn´t comment on that post even though he posted after that.

 

I realise that he could have tried to save me knowing he is town as well but here Shad´s defence of me is important.

 

Shad voted Nego D2 but I don´t know if it means anything.

 

Nego never showed up yesterday to vote at all. That is not good.

 

When it comes to Ley I feel that he wouldn´t have tried the vote/unvote Leelou/check Nyn if he was mafia. It would have been unnecessary. The selfvote and follow up vote by Nyn doesn´t mean anything to me though.

 

 

Could Nyn be mafia? Of course but she knows Nego will vote Ley and it´s quite possible that I could hammer him so I don´t think so.

 

 

[v] Nego [/v]

On what universe do i start a train on my lover if im the last scum? Like seriously.

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I guess it´s up to you, Nyn. Nego and Ley won´t change their votes. If you still think it´s Ley then keep your vote and he will die. I will not try to persuade you because I suck at lylo. I´m really happy to leave that decision to you. :p

Hate you so much right now lol

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Atp both nini and me could have hamnered and ended the game if scum.

 

Gonna iso ley and nego and decide. Frolly gonna f it up too :-/

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I guess it´s up to you, Nyn. Nego and Ley won´t change their votes. If you still think it´s Ley then keep your vote and he will die. I will not try to persuade you because I suck at lylo. I´m really happy to leave that decision to you. :p

Hate you so much right now lol

 

 

:baalzamon:

 

But really, I don´t trust myself in these situations. 

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I guess it´s up to you, Nyn. Nego and Ley won´t change their votes. If you still think it´s Ley then keep your vote and he will die. I will not try to persuade you because I suck at lylo. I´m really happy to leave that decision to you. :p

Hate you so much right now lol

 

 

:baalzamon:

 

But really, I don´t trust myself in these situations. 

 

 

be honest though. Are you voting nego cause you don't wanna make the call or cause in your opinion he's most likely to be the last scum?

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Niniel was my top town read at a super lazy glance earlier so meh @ her being the leading wagon

 

 

 

I'm kind of nervous about Shad. He is sort of defending me and my lover. Which makes me afraid that they are mafia. I mean coming to my help referring to my post where I noticed that the dl is soon seems weird. Like he needs to protect me. Could be that he gets that I'm town but from that post?

lolShad

 

But I really did.

 

Might have taken it a bit differently if I'd seen you had the most votes at the time, but I didn't see it so it's not a factor in my initial reaction.

 

 

lolshad indeed.... teehee.

 

Interesting that he's trying to give false excuses here for town reading Nini.

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