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Not really news: The country is politically (and now geographically) divided

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7 hours ago, CUBAREY said:

Well many of us would say that the line was crossed in 2000 when many insitutional Democrats took the position that the election was stolen by the supreme ourt and the Bush Presidency was illegitimate.

 

It was my understanding that was people not party

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The point of both the 538 article, and the one from the atlantic, is that it is normal/accepted/expected to have civitizen level members (voters) of parties feel animostiy towards the other side, as one side will win and others will lose in elections.

 

The idea behind the "Loyal Opposition" is that despite losing, the losing elected officals will, non the less, work with the winning party to continue the project of joint/democratic goverenace.

 

It's the idea of McCain's "country first", or Bushes promises to work with democrats (he did!), or Obamas' "no red and blue america, just america" compared with trumps "american wasteland" and "i'm fighting for the people who voted for me" which is an understanding of elected office which differs greatly from the traditionally held belief that once elected, you represent everyone who you represent, not just the people who voted for you. 

 

When politicans (and in the 2018 midterms it was very much in both parties), campaign and govern from a platform of "only representing the people who voted for me" then the idea of a "loyal opposition" falls appart.

 

Which is bad for everyone.

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9 hours ago, Tyzack said:

 

It was my understanding that was people not party

It was largely led by people like Rep. Waters who was/is a representative. It's true that once the Supreme Coourt ruled Gore took it upon himself to be a statesman  but that can not be said of many Democratic national elected officials who were among the first to attempt to deligitimize the Bush Admininstration.

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25 minutes ago, CUBAREY said:

It was largely led by people like Rep. Waters who was/is a representative. It's true that once the Supreme Coourt ruled Gore took it upon himself to be a statesman  but that can not be said of many Democratic national elected officials who were among the first to attempt to deligitimize the Bush Admininstration.

 

Does standing up and yelling "You Lie" during state of the union some like something a democrat did under bush, or a republican under obama?

 

 

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7 hours ago, Tyzack said:

 

Does standing up and yelling "You Lie" during state of the union some like something a democrat did under bush, or a republican under obama?

 

 

Regardless, Joe Wilson was right. 

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