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Demos on A Crown of Swords, chapters 6 - 7

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Chapter 6: Old Fear, and New Fear

 

Rand leaves with the rest of the group who stayed behind, which leaves Faile and Perrin to finally be able to talk. Faile is still a little uneasy, and it comes out that she was afraid they had come back under Aes Sedai control. I guess they could have compelled them, but I would think you would be able to notice. You would think Rand's reaction towards Colavaere would have been enough to convince her otherwise. Other than that, there isn’t really a weave to be able to control someone is there? You can maybe add the Warder bond in a sense, but that’s a different situation. Anyway Perrin seems to be catching some of Rand’s ideals in refusing to kill women. He refuses to let Faile and Dobraine kill Colavaere. Later on Perrin also stands up to Rand when it sounds like he may let the Aes Sedai prisoners be killed. More on that later.

 

Selande and her group try to follow Perrin and Faile around until Perrin sends them off, but not before Faile nods her head. I'm not positive yet, but it seems like Faile is leading this group. She has formed her secret spy group of sorts. She always talks about doing it for Perrin, and I doubt him telling her "no" is enough to stop her. Back in their rooms, it looks like Perrin has finally satisfied Faile’s jealousy until Rand busts in. He mentions Berelain is staying on the Sea Folk ship. Oh Rand, you need to be a better wing-man than that. Faile obviously has a spike of jealousy, and that whole situation is starting to make me wonder more. It seems the whole Faile-Perrin-Berelain triangle has lasted a decent amount of time. It started a couple books back, before Perrin left for the Two Rivers. Something has to give here soon; one of these two girls has to win. It’s pretty clear, as of now, that it will stay Perrin/Faile, but I’m waiting for the big bang to happen. I’m going to be annoyed if nothing happens and I have to spend the next 6 books listening to Berelain flirt with Perrin, and Faile getting jealous.

 

Back to the story. Rand asks Perrin one last time if he will think on leading the army against Illian. It leads to that scene where Perrin stands up to Rand about not harming the Aes Sedai. What is confusing is Rand says he won’t harm any Aes Sedai who does not deserve it. I know he is increasingly hard against Aes Sedai, but he couldn’t even kill them right after he broke free from his crate. His rage and hate had to be at its highest then, yet he kept it in check. That along with his personal rule of not harming women makes this confusing. Is he making an exception for female Aes Sedai? Anyway Rand leaves and says he could use Perrin in another spot if he won’t do Illian. Perrin and Faile then get some much needed alone time..

 

 

Chapter 7: Pitfalls and Tripwires

 

Once again, Rand tests the limits of his sanity as he walks around holding saidin to his fullest. He wonders over Berelain, and about her hiding Annoura's identity. It’s a valid question, and only adds to his problems. We also hear about another group of Aes Sedai who have just arrived. Sulin arrives and it brings Rand out of his thoughts. She has a group of maidens, as well as three Asha’man, who will travel with Rand on his three stops that night. First, they head to Caemlyn where they are snuck into the Palace. I was confused at first as to why he needed to be bound like a prisoner. We find out later it was in order to not alert Elayne to his presence (if she would have been there). I guess he is still trying to keep that clean break from her, but I’m just waiting for her to get his hands on him.

 

Once inside the Palace, Rand meets with Bashere and Bael (and their wives). Rand confirms that they are still supportive of him, and denies attacking the White Tower. Again, we find a gathering of Aes Sedai in the city. Is this another Elaida plot? Why do they all seem to be gathering in the cities Rand controls? Another thought is these could be Aes Sedai who came to the city in order to control events after Rand was taken. His recent return just put a damper on those plans. Word had also arrived of Colavaere’s coronation, and two nobles declared for the throne in Caemlyn. Luckily, it looks like Dyelin is legitimately behind Rand in his statement for Elayne to have the thrown. Dyelin has had the others arrested for treason and been made somewhat of a steward until Elayne returns.* Rand leaves one of the Asha’man in disguise in order to have messages sent back. He then travels to Lord Semaradrid and the High Lord Weiramon and leaves the other two with them. It sounds like the attack is about to start!

 

 

* My recent bone to pick is with Elayne. Yes, they found this bowl that "may" fix the weather or something like that, but why hasn't she left that for Nynaeve to figure out? She talks a lot about her people in Caemlyn, and was upset over Rand "giving" her the thrown. Why hasn't she jumped at the opportunity to head back there and set things straight? My only idea is that she thinks this will serve the greater good of the whole world or something. The longer she makes everyone wait in Caemlyn, not to mention Cairhien, the harder I think it will be for her. She either needs to find this bowl ASAP, or give it up and have Mat bring her back as quick as possible. I think Rand wins the "for the greater good category". So her job needs to make his life easier, and take care of at least one of those cities for him.

 

 



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Not control them? I believe you see some real mind control this book. Just wait.

 

The Faile Berelain thing takes a while. Once Berelain pushes to far and Faile gets a chance to deal with it she takes care of it. But something big and EXTREMELY TIME CONSUMING happens first. You have plenty of time to be annoyed with that.

 

It's not just a Rand thing. It's a Two Rivers thing. Mat is just as bad. It doesn't come up as much for Perrin, but him to.

 

Right now I don't think the Aes Sedai will let Elayne go. Not until she's raised. At least in their eyes.

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Other than that, there isn’t really a weave to be able to control someone is there?

 

There are several different weaves like that.

You have seen a few of those already.

 

1) Morgase was compelled by Rahvin. She did put on a very believable act (nobody doubted she was the one responsible for all those stupid decisions she made). See how she fought it, AND defeated it, however - eventually.

 

2) Nynaeve and Elayne are interviewed by Moghedien in TSR. That interview starts with a compulsion. Nynaeve's mind does fight it and eventually, she overcomes it (just before her fight with Moghedien)

 

3) Some people argue (and I agree with them) that Moiraine puts a mild compulsion on Mat/Rand/Perrin in the Eye of the World (along with those coins). It doesn't work on them very well.

 

4) The testing for Aes Sedai includes some form of compulsion.

 

5) The warder bond involves compulsion. It can be used to compel. Alanna tries to compel Rand but fails (we don't know why exactly, we do know that a man holding sai'din cannot be compelled and he does hold sai'din).

 

6) Most of the AS going to the tower have some tricks of their own already. Usually something to do with compulsion or eavesdropping (for reasons that should be evident if you think about it).

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I’m going to be annoyed if nothing happens and I have to spend the next 6 books listening to Berelain flirt with Perrin, and Faile getting jealous.

 

Well, what can I say. You will be annoyed.

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She either needs to find this bowl ASAP, or give it up and have Mat bring her back as quick as possible.

 

There is no 'or' here. If she doesn't find the bowl, the world is doomed. Have Mat bring her back? She knows travelling, Mat doesn't. Besides, no one 'brings' Elayne anywhere. Especially not Mat the scoundrel who is of no use to anyone.

 

All three had this dream, which makes it especially significant. Rain, coming from a bowl. There are snares and pitfalls around the bowl. If the right hands pick it up, they will find a treasure perhaps as great as the bowl. If the wrong hands, the world is doomed. The key to finding the bowl is to find the one who is no longer."

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As other's have said: There is a way to control people, it's called compulsion, you've seen it used already and will much more as you go on.

 

The Faile/Berelain/Perrin triangle is going to go on for a long, long, long time. Nope, longer then you think. Nope, longer then that. Just don't expect it to end, ever. Cause it won't for a long long long long long long long long time.

 

Nynaeve can't freely channel at this point, so leaving her there to bargain with Sea Folk, and find the bowl, and fight two Black Ajah sisters plus any Forsaken that might pop up, plus negotiate with Tylin, plus negotiate with the White Tower Aes Sedai who are there, plus leave her to control the Aes Sedai Egwene sent with them and the other's who are there, plus have her control the Band and Mat, plus the other things they find in Ebou Dar, seems like it would be completely beyond Nyaneve to do with no help what-so-ever. Plus, finding the Bowl of the Winds is FAR more important then coming to Caemlyn so Rand can give her control of the country there by undermining her power and leading to her assassination as no one would respect a Queen of Andor who was given the throne. So no, Elayne is totally in the right to stay in Ebou Dar for now.

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Elayne and the Andor storyline probably my least favorite aspect of the series. One of the few things that irritated me in the books.

 

 

In my mind way too many chapters were spent getting her the crown. It could have done in much fewer chapters and way less detail. I recall when it was going on and coming to another Elayne chapter and just dreading it.

 

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What did annoy me about some storylines (and you might notice that too) that people spend too much place getting from place A to place B when they could just use travelling (and I didn't even mention travelling to get reinforcements or hold meetings).

 

Demos, just because Rand is the prophecised saviour, people shouldn't support him without question. It is a book for us but they have a life to live and they all have their tasks. It's not about Rand, it's about the world. Small things and people doing their job is important. More important than 'helping' Rand.

 

At first you might not realize it (because you get PoVs from him, not from those around), but Rand is quite mad and unreasonable at this point. Just try to keep in mind how those things in his PoV might look for those around.

 

He also keeps doing very stupid mistakes and he IS arrogant.

 

He also thinks he knows what is best to everyone. See how he's trying to stay away from Elayne, try to prevent the maidens and Min to put themselves to danger.

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As was said, we benefit from Rand's POV, but Rand comes off as brash and extremely hot-headed to a lot of people, in addition to all his mad eccentricities that people notice (muttering to himself or someone that's not there, cocking his head to listen to things that aren't there, and more). He's also not very good at understanding how other people view him or politics (whether actual political politics or, perhaps more so, the personal, intimate politics in relationships). He asks people to do things with little sensitivity as to how they feel about being asked to do it, etc...

 

Just think back to when Rand made the Asha'man and the ranking system at the Black Tower. Taim was obviously very insulted by the way Rand went about things.

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Don't know if you figured it out yet, but I don't think it is spoilerish to point out the vision in the earlier books about Perrin having two birds on his shoulders, a Falcon and a Hawk? :wink:

 

Oh, when Elayne finally gets her hands on Rand, it is.... hehe.... one of may favorite scenes.

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I hadn't realized how important that bowl thing was yet. I thought it was just something to control the weather in a larger area then one could do unaided. I figured it would help with the unnatural weather, but how big of an area are we talking about? Would you just take it city to city to fix the weather as you go?

 

Did I miss something in Ebou Dar about the Sea Folk? I may not have gotten there yet, but last I heard was Elayne and Nynaeve were searching for this bowl in disguises. I had forgotten about the two twin Aes Sedai giving them some trouble, and we did see the Black Ajah present, but nothing (that I can remember) has happened as far as a confrontation between them. Although I think it's safe to assume the Black Ajah won't just sit around. It really wouldn't be fair for Nynaeve to be left alone, but when I wrote that bit on Elayne, I hadn't realized how important this bowl was.

 

Also, valid points on Rand. He is a dick sometimes, well a lot of the times. I've just given him a little leeway since I like him. On the flip side, as far as I know he is the worlds only chance of winning, and he still isn't exactly proclaimed as the hero he should be (granted there is that male channelers going mad issue**). So I figure if people are being a dick to him, and trying to use him, he can be a little nasty in return. I do think he needs to be a little easier to work with, though. Primarily those who have already earned the right to be trusted by him. He is literally the most powerful man in the world, in every way. That much power and responsibility is enough to change and way down on even the nicest of people. I just think back to how nice and somewhat quiet he was back in the first book.

 

 

**I'm waiting for this to become an issue. For as big of a deal that has been made about men going insane and destroying the world, we haven't really seen any word of it here.

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Taim was obviously very insulted by the way Rand went about things.

 

It's hard for me to tell if he's insulted or just pissed off like he always seems to be. There doesn't seem to be very many tender moments between Rand and him haha.

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Don't know if you figured it out yet, but I don't think it is spoilerish to point out the vision in the earlier books about Perrin having two birds on his shoulders, a Falcon and a Hawk? :wink:

 

That makes so much more sense now, maybe Perrin will end up with both of them? If Rand can juggle three women, why not Perrin

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Don't know if you figured it out yet, but I don't think it is spoilerish to point out the vision in the earlier books about Perrin having two birds on his shoulders, a Falcon and a Hawk? :wink:
That makes so much more sense now, maybe Perrin will end up with both of them? If Rand can juggle three women, why not Perrin

 

 

Rand's women are willing (at least somewhat) to be juggled. Can you see Faile being at all willing to share Perrin? At all? ;)

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Rand's women are willing (at least somewhat) to be juggled. Can you see Faile being at all willing to share Perrin? At all? ;)

 

No not really, but that's what makes it kind of funny. I just want to see the explosion that comes with Perrin suggesting it.

She'd tear his eyes out

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The thing is that Perrin has never wanted anything of Berelain and never would. He wants Faile, as simple as that.

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